#violetsorrengail

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I just love how casually Violet is poisoning everyone

She just did it and we got the explanation afterwards. Which plant she used, how she gave the poison to them, when and how she noticed that one of her opponents had an allergy.

We only found out later why she wanted to help with breakfast at all and when she could no longer help to prepare breakfast she was like Oh no i can no longer put poison in their food

Please i love her so much

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[alyshiba]

Recently I read a post were a user on Reddit was talking about this tale, and now it reflected the three sorrengail siblings, and I couldn't help but disagreeing with this.

There is a bunch of reasons why I think that theory is wrong, the main one being that the only actual similarity between the two sets of sibling is Violet and "the brother who made the skies surrender its power”. None of the other bonded a griffin, and as far as we know none of them is venin.

So, what we know about this story is this:

one brother bonded a dragon, one brother a griffin, and when the last one grew jealous he started drawing directly from the source.

I think we should consider this story exactly like that, a story, a fable and not take it too literallly.

Stop thinking for a second about this brothers has people, and consider them as figure of speech (maybe to pass down more erasily even to children the story of the continent)

So what if the three brothers were the nations that make up the continent? Because if you look at the story from this perspective, then you do have three "brother" who have the same characteristic as the ones in the story:

Navarre is the brother who bonded dragons;

Poromiel is the brother who bonded griffins;

The Barrens is the brother who got jealous and turned venin;

And I promise that if you look at the hints scattered inside the books you'll see that:

1. Dragons are endemic to the territories that make up Navarre. Even the original hatching grounds are located inside what is now Navarre (suspiciously close to the border of the wards.. that's another theory though);

2. Griffins are endemic to Poromiel, their "hatching grounds" (not sure we can use the same terminology) is in the area where Cliffsbane academy is/was (we learn that when the griffin riders share their process of entering the college);

3. The Barrens have no mythical / magical creatures that we know off.

If you think about it, at one point in history Poromielians (how are they called lol ??) and Navarrians bonded mythical / magical creatures that gave them magic, on top of any military or economical advantages they might had. It is understandable how the people of the Barrens might have felt threatened and searched for alternatives to the newfound magic of their neighbors.

We then know that the Venins originated from the Barrens, so that's the solution they found.

The story also tells us that:

The younger brother made the skies surrender its greatest power and thus vanquished his jealous brother at a great and terrible price.

Which again parallels the fact that Navarre unified, and was created as a nation, only after the war against the Venins 650 yars ago, therefore it makes sense to be reffered as the younger brother.

We then circle around and go back to Violet: since, if we follow this theory, it was a dragon rider who made the skies surrender its power and defeated its jelous sibling at a grat and terrible price.

[addi-iii]

Violet: “You were the only experience worth having.”

Xaden: “You were everything.”

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Tairn Dragon 🐉 Fourth Wing by Rebecca Yarros

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Violet and Xaden shipname things

Iii can't find the post, but someone was like 'we need a decent shipname!' Cuz apparently there isn't one???

Now, I did see viden somewhere (but also that might also be related to a different fandom? It sounds too familiar....)

May I suggest;

ShadowStorm

Which rolls off the tongue, is an allitiration (which I am personally always a fan of) and makes sense on account of the whole shadow-man and lightning wielder thing

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— The Empyrean Series Book 1: Fourth Wing, by Rebecca Yarros

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The 67th reason why I love Fourth Wing

I just love that Violet says what she's thinking and that she stands by her feelings. I've read so many books where you can't really call it miscommunication, but it would have been much quicker if the MCs had just been honest with themselves.

Like the scene with Xaden on the parapet where she is so open, honest and direct about her feelings *chef's kiss* "You’ve never had a problem being bluntly honest with me."

I love that she can rationally reflect on events that have hurt her.

I mean, look at the scene where she found out that Xaden, Tairn and Andarna lied to her. She was hurt and yet as they flew on, she tried to see things rationally. Even at the end she said to Xaden she understood why he did it but made it clear she has every right to feel hurt.

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I NEED a scene of Violet seeing him again fornthe first time next book, just straight up walking up to him, and bitch slapping his pathetic-excuse-of-a man-ass right in front of everyone, staring him cold dead in the eye going: "If you ever touch so much as a hair on my head again, it will be the last thing you do."

so you mean to tell me that one of my favorite fucking character in the book died and dain aetos is still alive and breathing?????

[alyshiba]

Rebecca Yarros Iron Flame Interview breakdown

I was reading Rebecca Yarros's interview fo Verity, and I couldn't help but notice the amount of info she gave there, some of which feeds right onto some of theories that has been floating around since Iron Flame came out. Ofc Spoilers Ahead for Iron Flame.

I'd like to break down the most interestig parts and bits of informations she ends up giving.

I'll jump straight into the questions in which they focus on the book and the storyline. And I'll break them down in the same order they are written in the article, so if you want to read and draw your own conclusions itìll be easyer.

The first interesting piece of information is given when she's asked about the opening of Iron Flame:

[...] the first way I wrote it in her POV, it was a 7,000 word chapter where he explained everything because she was like, you will tell me now. And it was an info dump at the end. So we cut it and we put it in Xaden’s POV.

This refers to very first chapter where Violet has just learned that Brennan is actyually alive.. I find it very interesting that Rebecca ended up cuttin it since in those 7000 words there was probably info about Naolin and what really went down the day Brennan "died". It makes me think that there's really something more to the story that we aren't meant to know now.

Then Rebecca is asked how come Violet is much less perceptive in “Iron Flame�� than she was in “Fourth Wing,” to which the author gives, at least in my opinion, a very interesting answer:

Violet’s entire sense of self is based on her knowledge. Her knowledge of history, her knowledge of being raised as a scribe, her knowledge of everything that’s been poured into her. [...] She doesn’t know what of what she’s been taught is a lie. She doesn’t know if it’s her brother that just lied to her or her boyfriend or her best friend Dain or her mother or the guy she thought was like an uncle, Dain’s father. [...] And she has to learn that she has to trust herself again before she can trust anyone else. And she finds that in knowledge and in history and in books.[...] So she’s very torn between, I need to know everything because I know nothing now, and maybe I don’t want to know, because maybe loving him should be enough.

I was reading this article while writing my other post about Violet's second signet, and if this is doesn't answer what Violet's most pressing need is, what might influece a second signet I don't know what else will. Rebecca has just given us the answer to that question.

We are then met with a question regardin Dain, and "whether we should like him or not". So this is what she has to say about this:

*I knew Dain’s arc in book one. So while writing book one,*I had the interrogation scene from “Iron Flame” already in my head.[...] *[...] when you’re in first-person POV, you only see it from Violet’s point of view.* It is never confirmed that he knew they were going to die, it is never confirmed that he knew what they were sending them into*. All he did was see something and trust his father.

I think this part is answer enough to those who think Dain was plottin with his dad to send Xaden & co to die. I'm not saying it's confirmed that in Iron Flame he's on the good side, but now we have confirmation that at the time of Fourth Wing he 100% wasn't plotting anything.

Then we're given a very random piece of information concerning the weather in Aretia, the question might be random, but the answer, again is very interesting:

It grows hotter as more dragons arrive. Just like the Vale is tropical at Basgiath, as more dragons arrive in the valley in Aretia, the temperature rises*.*

I find this interesting since we know that there are at least 2 types of magic currently being used in the FW / IF universe: magic channeled from mythical beasts (yes, I'll group gryphons and dragons toghether, since asaide from the strenght of the magic, we know channeling from these two species is almost the same concept) and magic channeled from the earth (the source). We also know that dragons, and griphons i assume, can't channel their own power directly, there's very limited things they can do (like holding a rider in place, for example), without bonding to a human. So the fact that their presence influeces the weather of the area they choose to live is a very important and interesting detail. It shows that somehow dragon's magic influences the source.. so that makes me wonder how do these different types of magic interact (aside from the ability of a Venin to drain a dragon) ? Do they "come from the same place"?

I think this is an important point becouse if the source and dragon magic interact, than they do not exclude one another, and if this is the case, than we confirmed that one can be Venin while still channeling from their dragon, if the dragon doesn't choose to sewer the bond (we have no info on this actually happening ever though).

Is there something there? Or am I goig nuts?

The next question revolves around Jack Barlowe, Rebecca is asked why does he save her if he's venin, to which she responds:

[...]he’s still in hiding at this point and who better to convince everyone that nothing’s wrong with him than Violet

This is explanation enough, if he's the spy, he needs to maintain his cover, then she adds:

[...] By saving Violet, he’s still hiding what his true nature is and he’s still trying to prove to the professors who have been trying to quote, unquote, mend his soul and bring him back that he is fixable that he is mendable when really in the background, he is orchestrating this entire takedown of the wards.

This passage confirms, in my opinion, that if someone is plotting with the Venins, than it's not someone that has access to Basgiath. Becouse everyone who about him was trying to fix him, and find a cure to his veninism. This also explain that quote we're given at the start of I don't rememeber which chapter**, in which Lilith Sorrengail is being said that there's no cure, but only contol.** At that point probably Nolon has deemed that Jack was too far gone in his Veninism and his soul couldn't be mendend.

Oh yes and sould mending is confirmed to be a thinh lol, but only if you are already a mender.

We then skip the sex talk lol, and jump to why did Rebecca chose to introduce us to Catriona There's a passage in this answer, aside from the need to have one prominent chacter that makes dragon rider question the way they are being thought to ride, channel etc. which story wise, for the development of the character was a great choice to this passage:

[...] I wanted them to see Catriona’s not out to get Violet just because she loves Xaden, or because they had this relationship, she’s out for the power. [...] [...] She flat out says, you think this is about a man, this is about a crown. And any man in that situation would absolutely take another man to task over winning that crown.

This is very interesting phrase, considering that this is how Rebecca opened this very iterview:

[...] “One of the things I love to play with is that absolute power corrupts absolutely*, and that* when you want magic and you can’t have it because you haven’t been chosen by a dragon or a griffin, what will you pay for it? And people will pay with their souls. You see it in our society, all the time, people will sell their souls for power. So it’s a matter of, how much of his soul did he exchange? And once you start, how do you stop and is it an addiction?” [...]

I know that Catriona kind of has a redemption ark, she ends up saving Violet's life and they become somewhat civil at the end, but.. Rebecca repeated the same concept only twice so far, and casually she does when asked about Catriona.

She is then asked about Xaden's second signet, and Rebecca says the following:

[...] What I love about that is he says, it’s a kind of inntinnsic — but they don’t have any alive*. So* how does he know exactly what he is? How does he know if that’s full? How does he know what it is? He has no clue. They have no inntinnsic alive. So he has no idea what he is. And he has no idea, is it intentions? Is it words? Is it thoughts?

This is exactly what we've been asking ourselves, and I feel like with this phrase she is hinting that she will take one of this two directions: Either there are inntinnsics alive, adn Xaden has had some sort of training/knowledge however brief that might be, or he is not what he sais he is and he can read more than intentions, or will be able to. I'm more lenient towards the first.

In the end it is safe to assume that there are more than one type of inntinnsic and that some of those can remain hidden or are just killed, like truth tellers. There is (i don't remember which chapter) an heading quote in IF that goes something like: Inntinnsics are always killed on the spot for the danger they provide, but yet we let truth tellers live, so it wouldn't be odd for a full inntinnsic (that hasn't gone mad) or some type of them that hides pretending to be an "accepter kind of inntinnsic"

We are then told that Xaden did not fall in love with Violet from the stories Brennan told him, as some theories stated, and that he did in fact hate her, but could't act on it since his deal with Lillith.

Rebecca also says, in this response that "he’s [Xaden] not the guy who’s going to save the world", and is one of those who would destry the world for the one he loves, so there's that. He's no hero..

Then, as I also said in my post about Violet's second signet, we have confirmation from Rebecca herself that Liam was just an hallucination and that her second signet manifested

After this we get some questions that are answered with "you have to read book three", confirmation that Xaden is turning into a Venin, and not yet a full one like Jack. AND that No one as ever seen someone be cured of veninism, but we haven't read book three yet. So maybe there is a cure after all.

Then:

The dream that Xaden has featuring the Sage in that final scene, which reveals how he began to turn venin, appears to be the same dream Violet has been having featuring the Sage throughout all of “Iron Flame” — but that Violet’s dream has actually been from Xaden’s POV this whole time. Does this mean the Sage (who says he’s actually General!) always wanted Xaden, or he wanted Xaden to get to Violet, or he wants both?

So I feel like I am right in my prediction of Violet's second signet after all

Then when Rebecca is asked if the characters will remain in Basgiath for book three she ends up saying the following:

[...] that there are weaknesses in the wards they aren’t aware of. You see it in “Fourth Wing” when he shoves the energy into her while they’re sparring.

So basically, the way she phrased this makes it look like Venin are siphons for the power of the source, they do no just drain, but "fill" with the energy/magic they steal. And yes considering that in that scene Jack's eyes are described to be red-trimmed I'm 100% that this was part of his Venin powers. That is a take I personally have not yet read anywhere, and that makes one wonder if siphons (or at least a specific siphon**) are more prone to turning Venin becouse their power works in the same way**, and wheter this is the reason they are kinda rare as a signet... do they all end up turning venin?

This is about it, I find that she made such interesting points, and that she danced a lot around the major theories going around since november... what do you think ?

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Andarna Dragon 🐉 Fourth Wing by Rebecca Yarros

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She reminds me of Nesta in this fanart.

Like... What are the two clips that give of the same energy??