#vetenari

[nival-kenival]

Random thoughts about my Leverage Discworld crossover because I can't currently write these things into it but I need to write them somewhere:

I don't necessarily think that their best-known crimes actually happened in Ankh-Morpork, but I do think they used The City as a base of operations (especially in the going postal era thing I'm vaguely writing)

As such, there are very specific Ankh-Morpork things they would have to keep in mind.

They would not be members of the thieves' guild

I think they might have aliases who are members of the guild, especially in Sophie's case, but I feel like it's too much paperwork, especially because they usually get the stolen item to its rightful owners once they've teamed up

Vetenari definitely knows they're there, and knows what they are doing, but is actually fine with it because their actions against the unjust actually help the city run smoother by dusting out some of the burrs in it's cogs.

Vimes also knows they're there and watches them with the same level of scrutiny as he does Moist Von Lipwig, waiting for them to slip up just enough to get them caught. NGL if Vimes wasn't too much a good pessimistic man he would get along very well with Sterling.

Moist would recognize Sophie and Nate on Sight. Sophie because they grifted together once or twice (similar to Cribbins but like a better ending for their partnership) and Nate because he once chased him. He would know Eliot, Parker and Hardison by reputation alone.

I think Sergent Colon and Corporal Nobs 100% play a similar roll to the leverage crew as Agents McSweeten and Taggart (FBI) unless I port those two over as well, which is possible but idk yet

Eliot doesn't have a bounty with the Assassin's guild, in the same way Sam Vimes doesn't have a bounty with the Assassin's guild. But unlike Sam, they don't even attempt to send people out to get him because he is very good at convincing them to leave the guild and that very quickly became to big a cost for the guild to take. What can they say? His Clooty Soufflé is worth changing your career path to have more of it.

I've mentioned it somewhere, but Sophie is a Black Ribboner. With enough makeup, she can pass as human or, on one memorable occasion, a werewolf.

Both Sophie and Eliot originally hailed from Uberwald as all Vampires and Werewolves do, but with Eliot being adopted by the nac mac feegle they have very different ways of interacting w the region to the point where Sophie wouldn't have been able to tell Eliot was from the region if not for the smell.

[musubiki]

when lime is first talking to coco/oscar/taffy about how hes leaving to join the m34th and everyone is giving him shit about it, he pulls out their little borchure and goes “they cover dental. and they have a retirement plan” and they see in the little pamphlet his yearly salary and everyone goes “oooh....makes sense....maybe its not so bad.....we’re rooting for you!!”

[mendedrum]

Panic took over the thief's features. Randomized guilt flooded his mind. It wasn't the case of what had he done. It was a question of what the Patrician had found out about.

-Terry Pratchett, Guards! Guards!

......

Love this line and how it sums up Lord Vetenari XD

[the-mercurial-star-o-vesper]

I was thinking "y'know, Mephala of Elder Scrolls... would be somewhat akin to Havlock Vetenari... save for the murder and negotiable love bit."

But then I got to thinking...

Y'know, if there's a god of plots, whose plans are less "thinking ahead" and more "adapt as you go", who maliciousness is contained in the fact that he will viciously defend his city / planet, whose conspiracies have outlasted him and are still in motion...

Whom you can't tell is there. Not that he's using invisibility, but he's got this trick about simply standing still in the right light, dressed in the right colors...

Whom you can't tell if they ever really lied to you, or they just simply let you believe what you want if that means getting the job done.

Who switches between riling up the warrior, threatening the thief, or convincing the mage.

Who is often claimed to be a huge tyrant and a bastard, but you really can't pinpoint what exactly he's done, because he's the reason you're standing there calling him a tyrannical bastard.

And he would be the kind of entity where even his death is suspect at best, and he's not actually gone per say... but he's not necessarily around to have a direct hand in things anymore (not that he'd want to, it would interfere with things too much).

Havlock isn't related to Mephala... she'd be more akin to Margolotta.

Havlock would be more related to Lorkhan.

[sterrenkijker]

the old man yaoi in discworld is real by the way. i was there

[123567-9qaaq9]

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[somethingwickediwager]

The funny thing about this is...

Is that Terry Pratchett was a video game player--specifically, I know he played "Elder Scrolls: Oblivion"--where in the beginning of the game, the exact scenario Vetenari just described, happens.

The ruler, known as the Emperor, runs through a prison cell through a series of tunnels--and for his efforts, gets trapped and killed.

The funny thing is, it wasn't that the Emperor trusted the tunnel--it was his secret guard and attendants that did, and they got him killed.

There is an irony here.

‘I see you’re very comfortable here,’ said Vimes weakly.

‘Never build a dungeon you wouldn’t be happy to spend the night in yourself,’ said the Patrician, laying out the food on the cloth.  ‘The world would be a happier place if more people remembered that.’

‘We all thought you had built secret tunnels and suchlike,’ said Vimes.

‘Can’t imagine why,’ said the Patrician.  ‘One would have to keep on running.  So inefficient.  Whereas here I am at the hub of things.  I hope you understand that, Vimes.  Never trust any ruler who puts his faith in tunnels and bunkers and escape routes.  The chances are that his heart isn’t in the job.’

–Terry Pratchett, “Guards! Guards!”

[jokerlennon]

should i add havelock to my names

[nival-kenival]

I'm thinking about writing a leverage Discworld crossover because I love both of them

But I'm worried if I make Hardison a goblin if it is like racist? To be clear, none of the team would be human.

Goblins in Discworld (specifically mentioned in Raising Steam and maybe Snuff) are the best coders ever for the clacks, and they are amazing with picking up and improving technology, quite literally better at it than humans and other species (Raising Steam)

But... Goblins were until very recently a race that was looked down upon, and is still likened to unclean things even though the people of Ankh-Morpork are quickly warming up to the species

I am just worried if I make the black man a goblin it could be seen as problematic. Any thoughts would be appreciated

[mendedrum]

...the way vetenari is, you cant just not ship him with anyone even if he's heavily aroace-coded. there's something so sexy about his domineering attributes.

i still think vimes x vet is the hottest dynamic he has though.

and i say this after 33 books lol

[cartoonfanorwhatever]

Lord Vetenari will look at Vimes and immediately go: "put that man in a situation"

[asparklethatisblue]

Slowly reading through the different Discworld protagonists, and I think so far the only one who isn’t scared of Vetinari? Vimes. Everyone else is terrified of him, nervous to see him, scared he’ll be mad, playing 4D chess in their head regarding what they think Vetenari will do. Vimes just zones out and thinks of a way to do whatever he wants anyway

[magnoliamyrrh]

if theres something i regret its not being well enough to double major in both anthropology and zoology or vetenary science

[potato-lord-but-not]

I think it would be a running joke that despite his wonderful acting skills whenever Journalist Moist says he's a journalist nobody believes him, assuming something else that reveals something about their own experience/prejudice. Someone who's worried about the guard will think he's a detective, someone worried about guild secrets will think he's spying for a rival guild, and the really important dangerous people will think he's working for Vetenari. Exactly one person ever believes he's a journalist due to their own personal prejudice against journalists specifically.

LMAOO yesss absolutely

[weirdstrangeguybattle]

the voting size difference between the ryou vs fiddleford poll and the cecil vs vetenari poll is insane lmao

YEAH. WHAT IS HAPPENING

[rosencrantzsguildenstern]

you have no idea how many discworld posts i've never made and fics i've never written because i cant spell vetenari