#usually i'd give things like this a chance but i don't really know shit abt marvel so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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#I've always had the hc that one of the main reasons danzou got orochimaru into root when he did#and subsequently had him experimenting on children w/o going straight to sarutobi abt it was cause of nawaki's death#keep in mind i haven't read or seen naruto and dont give a fuck abt canon#this is my playground and im gonna do what i want#cause like orochimaru is alone when danzou approaches him abt root#both jiraya and tsunade have left konoha and nawaki has died but it's recent enough that it's likely still a p fresh wound#also afaik danzou approached orochimaru in front of his parents grave!#what better time to manipulate someone into attempting to give orphans mokuton than after the death of one of the last senju#who if he had had mokuton might not have died and therefore if mokuton can be brought back those children might have a chance of survival#or at least a bigger chance than those who dont#idk this is just my thought of why orochimaru didnt go through the thought process that would lead to “sensei wouldn't approve”#cause orochimaru is absolutely devious enough to get danzou in trouble by bringing it up w sarutobi all innocent like#and having the whole thing and possibly root while he's at it gutted before it can even truly hurt anyone#but because of his mindspace at the time and having no one to pull him out of the guilt and grief of both recent and old loss#he doesn't really want to think too hard on what he's doing and what the consequences later down the line will be
i'm not sure we know when danzou approached orochimaru - a lot orochimaru's past is pretty vague, which i think is on purpose. usually when we see him in flashbacks it's through someone else's point of view (hiruzen, jiraiya, tsunade, kabuto, sasuke, etc). he's a somewhat mysterious character, which is probably bc he doesn't actually know himself all that well either. sasuke theorizes that even orochimaru isn't one hundred percent sure why he does the things he does, which i think is likely at least semi-accurate (and also part of why he can't relate as well to sasuke as he thinks he can, bc sasuke is a character who always has a set goal and an idea of how to get there and orochimaru is just kinda. doing shit and justifying it to himself afterwards. "why did i do that? well here's a reason that has enough words to sound correct-ish even tho i'm definitely just saying shit that sounds like it might be kinda true idk kid i just live here")
orochimaru having been nawaki's jounin sensei is afaik just fanon but it's an idea that i really like, in part bc it adds an extra tragic element to that poor kid's death (although. if we're being honest nawaki isn't really a character himself as he is a prop for tsunade's tragic backstory. but i have no problem with that tbh you can't develop everybody and it's nice that tsunade's backstory is something of a reversal of manpain tropes).
anyway, we don't to my knowledge know when orochimaru got entangled with root - all we know for sure is that he was working with danzou before kabuto left the orphanage, which doesn't actually tell us much bc kabuto is only like 19 when we meet him during the chuunin exams arc and orochimaru is about 50 or so. so if we say that kabuto was 7 when he was brought to the orphanage, then orochimaru would have been 38-ish at around the same time, and tho it's not clear how long kabuto was at the orphanage before meeting orochimaru, i'd say at minimum half a year, since he had a pretty good grasp on medical ninjutsu by then, but likely longer since he'd clearly aged a bit.
so if kabuto meets orochimaru at 9, joins root at age 10, and then defects 4 years later to orochimaru at 14 (i'm going loosely off of @keepyourpantsongohan's timeline here), orochimaru would have been respectively 40, 41, and 45 at those same times. as a spy, kabuto infiltrated kumo, kiri, suna, and iwa, so if we allow a year for each of those that'd have him at.... 11, 12, 13, and 14, which fits. orochimaru also states that danzou ordered nonou to assassinate "a certain man" (kabuto) "several years ago", so assuming that she joined root immediately after he did, danzou always intended kabuto to die when he was sent to iwa, and either to take have him take out nonou as she took him out or to tell her the truth afterwards and have her kill herself (orochimaru uses the phrase 共倒れ (tomodaore) when he talks about this, which means "mutual destruction" or "falling together". can also mean "joint bankruptcy" but that's probably not what danzou was thinking about)
anyway, the point is, this shows us that danzou's a brutally efficient ruthless sob, which we knew, but anyway.
yamato was stolen as a baby (the anime ages him up a bit but. he was a baby in the manga) but he's in his mid-20s in shippuden which orochimaru is 54. nawaki died at age 12, so tsunade and therefore orochimaru would've been 16 or so, which means there's a difference of about a decade between nawaki's death and orochimaru's experiments with the mokuton, so i doubt those two were quite so directly tied. the thing is, since tsunade took shizune with her when she left, she would have left after shizune became a chuunin, which was several years after yamato's birth and therefore the start of orochimaru's mokuton experiments.
however, we know that tsunade's boyfriend dan died at 27. assuming he was the same age as the sannin, that means that he died a year or so before yamato's birth. since this caused tsunade to effectively retire, i think it's much more likely that any non--scientific personal investment orochimaru had in the mokuton experiments had to do with dan's death (or, rather, tsunade's reaction to it) rather than nawaki's. hard to be absolutely sure about anything bc the timeline of naruto is,,,,,, iffy. at best.
thinking many thoughts about this particular screencap
#naruto#naruto shippuden#orochimaru#shimura danzou#yamato#tenzou#yakushi kabuto#senju nawaki#is danzou enough of a bastard to use nawaki's death to get orochimaru to do shit? yes absolutely#but unless he can see the future then that's not what happened
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fucking CACKLING at the new fil-am captain america that marvel just announced. y'all sure you're naming them smth that translates to heroic cock/pussy?
#girl you could've named them maria corazon or juanita dela cruz but no. you guys rlly named them ari agbayani#so goddamn funny man#might as well name them matapang na titi#also i know ari really means genitals shut up shut up#usually i'd give things like this a chance but i don't really know shit abt marvel so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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003 with Yuri or irl Mikado (you don't have to do the latter, I just wanna know if your thoughts on him are the same as his asshole alter ego
this is late as fuck but i don't like irlkado either i just don't have bad memories of interacting with him so like. imagine hearing about some god awful person online. yeah u hate them but u don't know the bitch so. eh. anyways he and aikado are canonically the same bitch just aikado was able to kill irlkado so like... yeah irlkado would've/planned to do the same shit as aikado did and god i need to make a post talking about my psuedomemories + interacting with fandom as a fictive and how that affects my view of myself and my trauma but anyways. yurisms
(may rb this with irlkado later! i just don't rlly feel safe typing on my phone rn so i wanna at least get this up)
003 | Give me a character & I will tell you:
How I feel about this character: he's fun! a lot of times he's portrayed as like. really misogynistic and shit (or he used to be, he's been handled better recently) but that's just inaccurate to him and who he is. like many other characters, he just has internalized issues and trauma which he was never given proper help for, so! he's a good lad and vv fun to think about, i hold trans lesbian yuri vv dear to my heart. also conceptually he's fucking hilarious, like linuj should've treated him seriously because yur is trauma ended up being used as a joke, but “small buff russian astrosimp” is so entertaining
Any/all the people I ship romantically with this character: hashiuri is big one! + maerin comes to mind! for trans girl yuri + using the rewritten i go over in my requests page, i like kokoyuri and yuri/hibiki!
My favorite non-romantic relationship for this character: oh! using this as a chance to just go over dynamics, i'd like to see him interact with sora while knowing her identity as akane + meeting akane again, and learning about her relationship with utsuro! his desire was to be as important to a girl as akanes boy was to her, so seeing him learn how their dynamic truly was, and seeing how that changes his views and goals would be inch a resting i think!
My unpopular opinion about this character: i don't think i really have one! the issues i see with him being mischaracterized aren't as popular as they used to be, so! uh his hair is best in the new years art though, there's that. beta yuri has that hairstyle because yeah ✨
One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: mmm like what i said in the relationship part, it'd be cool to see him have his mentality challenged! we don't know a lot abt how it first formed, but seeing his reaction to learning the source of his dedication was unhealthy, and seeing how he grows afterwards would be neat!
Favorite friendship for this character: couldn't think of anything for this so. using my villain!iroha concept (the one using her unused potential with her canonical character depth) i think that could be fun to see? having them b friends then seeing yuri react to her killing someone, especially in the verse i usually use where she gives kokoro the final blow and outs emma as a void,, yeas inch a resting
My crossover ship: uhm. trans yuri/tenko mayhaps? maybe. yuri/hinata. hmg.
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