#undertale deltarune newsletter spoilers

[iceespizza]

NEWSLETTER SPOILERS

I LOVE THEM SOOO MUCH THANK YOU TOBY FOX I'M EATING THIS UP!!!!!!!!!!!

[orbital-inclination]

🎄☃️❄️ My favorite gifs from the news letter… which is most of them.

[the-irreverend]

The latest utdr newsletter got me like:

[wolftroll2]

[the-meme-monarch]

MY CARDS I GOT IN THE NEWSLETTER :] WEED SMOKING RALSEI ACKNOWLEDGED

[friskyb1tz]

OH MY GOD???????? IM SO CURIOUS ABT THIS??? AUAURGEHRHRHRJRGUERHRHHRHRHRHH!!!!!

[tigerbears]

The second Papyrus interview made me wheeze.

Been dealing with some IRL stressful crap I'm not going to vent about, but this at least lightened things up a bit.

[ramblinseahorsey]

[littlenighttales]

GUYS WHAT.

Who is this? Frisk?! Asriel?! Chara, even?! DAMN IT, INTERNET VIRUS AD MAN. TALK! *cocks shotgun* SP E A K!

WHAT IS GOING ON?!

I need to remind y’all, Flowey disappears post pacifist. Loading the game after going to the surface results in Flowey being GONE.

Even though he SHOULD be Asriel, he’s GONE. Not at the flowers anymore.

But this could also be Frisk or Chara! They were the ones exploring the underground. While Flowey did, too, we’re most familiar with them.

[c4rl1g]

Undertale deltarune new newsletter chapter 3 and 4 its done!!!!!!!!!

Spoiler alert

[idiotic-b-gilson]

The Prank Theory: Or, Why Toby won't make an explicit announcement that Kris' pronouns are they/them despite that obviously being canon.

Disclaimer: people who use they/them for Kris are NOT the butt of the joke here. Although calling it a prank might be a little misleading to begin with, you'll see why.

I know for a fact, judging from my dashboard, that I am not alone in being mad at people misgendering the humans of Undertale and Deltarune (although, I will admit I used to be part of the problem up until quite recently). And we all wish for Toby to just go out and publicly announce that Kris, Frisk, and Chara use they/them only, that Mad Mew Mew is canonically transfem, etc., just to stop all the misgendering. It would certainly be nice and very helpful for the LGBTQ community. However, after giving it some thought, I've come to the conclusion that it most likely cannot happen, and the reason why is the Prank Theory. Treat it as an explanation, but not an excuse.

I came up with Prank Theory over something that's completely unrelated to the above, funnily enough. You see, I have this headcanon that Asriel Dreemurr is not cisgender. I'm not entirely sure what his gender is, but he's not cis male for sure. And I've seen a variety of different takes on this concept. For example, AUs like (Ask) Fallen Royalty by @starlightshore present Asriel as having transitioned in a more feminine direction ((A)FR specifically describes her gender as feminine nonbinary). Others still write Asriel (chiefly the Deltarune one) as transgender male (I've mostly seen that take in NSFW fanfics on AO3, which is a shame cuz it has great potential beyond that. Please tell me where I can find more). Other others still, like my beloved mutual @sukifoof, have proposed that Asriel might be agender. And, let me be clear about something: those are all great ideas, and I love them. But I started to wonder, which of these ideas is the closest to canon? Like, if we also factor in authorial intent, which of these options would fit under it, and which ones wouldn't? That was when I came up with Prank Theory, as a way to kind of imagine at least one aspect of said authorial intent.

Spoiler alert, according to Prank Theory any kind of transfeminine Asriel is incompatible with canon, but again I want to make it clear that that doesn't mean I think they're "wrong" or "bad" or anything like that, and I want to reiterate my endorsement of writing Asriel this way. Besides, my theory could be completely wrong, so...

So, after all that stuff, what does the Prank Theory actually say? Well, in summary: Undertale and Deltarune are some of the most "woke" video games ever made, but conservatives and reactionaries don't seem to have realized that yet, funnily enough. Now, calling it a prank is a wee bit misleading, since it implies that tricking right-wingers into loving a video game with a very progressive setting and message was at least part of what Toby intended. And I don't believe that's the case. He simply makes video games he wants to make, and they just happen to reflect his views on the world, and these views just happen to fly over the heads of some people.

This in and of itself would probably not make it a huge problem for Toby to put in one of his newsletters, or even in an X (as in, former Twitter) post, a correction regarding the genders of his characters. However it does start to become a problem when you factor in that the UTDR community has hundreds of thousands of people in it (although as of the March 2024 it might be a rather liberal estimate), and many of them would be quite pissed off if the video game they like had "suddenly" "gone woke" (ignorant of the fact that both it, and its main creator have been openly "woke" the whole time). And that is a problem in the current environment, because it means that Toby, as well as other people on the UTDR dev team, would be at a significant risk of hate and harassment, which in the Year of Our Lord 2024 could lead to Angel knows what.

On a more cynical capitalist (and much more speculative) level, attracting political controversy this way could sour Toby's relationship with big video game companies which have (as far as I know) played an important part in why Toby's got basically unlimited resources to work on the game of his fever dreams. They saw the widespread, universal acclaim that UT, DR1 and DR2 received, and drew the conclusion that DR3-4 (and the future chapters) will also get a similar reception, and they will get great returns no matter how much money they pour into it. This belief could be shaken if Toby attracted the ire of his transphobic fans by correcting their misgendering of his characters, and thus limiting the reach Chapters 3 and 4 would otherwise have (but again, this is pure speculation, I'm not an economist, nor do I know how much companies like Nintendo have actually invested in Deltarune. So I could be, like, way off).

And that is, in the end, why I believe Toby Fox will not make a statement regarding the canon gender of any UTDR character, at least not while Deltarune is still in development. After it's finished I think he might feel free enough to take that step. But we'll have to see.

Now, I don't know if I'm right. I feel pretty confident in my own theory, but there's a good chance I missed something. So, if I did, please lemme know. In the meantime, let's hope Toby will disprove my theory soon and set things right. And I'll see you around.

[zombvibes]

undertale-deltarune summer newsletter spoiler (kinda)

[the-irreverend]

I've come to love this scene much more after reading the latest newsletter because it demonstrates how Asriel's relationship/understanding towards Chara changed for the better after the Pacifist ending.

It shows that even after saying that Chara "wasn't the greatest person", Asriel doesn't completely hate or resent Chara despite their failures and shortcomings as siblings, and he still wants to see them happy and content.

When Asriel said Chara "wasn't the greatest person," it meant that he let go of his unhealthy view/relationship with them; NOT THAT HE LET GO OF THE LOVE AND CARE HE STILL FEELS FOR THEM AS HE STILL WANTS TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM!

Another way this scene greatly demonstrates Asriel's growth as a character is that it also shows that despite everything, Asriel/Flowey still recognizes Chara's CAPACITY FOR GOOD DESPITE THEIR MANY FLAWS.

The line "nothing can hurt anyone anymore" PROVES that he isn't saying that because of wishful thinking, but that he KNOWS FOR A FACT that Chara had good intentions (even if they paved the road to hell with them).

So when Flowey tells Chara there's nothing to worry about, he's reassuring/comforting Chara by telling them that they finally got what they wanted and that the people they care about have got the freedom and prosperity that Chara wanted for them all along, even if it didn't happen the way they intended!

[minunwithacannon]

This is really reinforcing my belief in Reverse Boss Order Theory

Spoilers for Spring 2024 Newsletter

Like, that has to be a reference to Jevil, right? I feel like the connections between the other Deltarune bosses and their reverse counterparts in Undertale are stronger than Jevil and Sans. But that has to be intentional on Toby's part right?

(For those unaware, Reverse Boss Theory is the belief that each Deltarune Boss will have a counterpart in Undertale. With normal bosses having a counterpart in the Neutral route bosses. While the secret bosses having a counterpart in the Genocide bosses.

King -> Asgore; Jevil -> Sans

Q5U4EX7YY2E9N -> Mettaton EX; Spamton NEO -> Mettaton NEO

Tenna -> Mettaton)

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My Deltarune chapters 3, 4, and 5 theories!!!!!

POTENTIAL SPOILER WARNING!!!!

I got the images provided from the Undertale/Deltarune Newsletter + idk if people have already theorized stuff I’m talking about or not but I’d just like to share my thoughts anyway

Chapter 3:

So, this gif:

“Obviously it’s just Susie”, how foolish and unrealistic! It’s obviously DARK WORLD Susie. Now, those who are behind the times and HAVEN’T played Deltarune would be confused. “Why is this important? She’s just sleeping.” While, yes she’s sleeping, the important factor is that she’s apparently sleeping in the dark world, which would mean if no time has passed since the end of chapter 2 ending, this dark world would be KRIS’ HOUSE and that while Susie was asleep, Kris had successfully made a new dark fountain in their house. This also highly suggests, if no time really has passed, that Toriel MIGHT show up as a lightner in chapter 3, due to the fact that she was in the house as well. Now while it’s hard to tell if this might all end up being true the purple-ish background would line up with the purple-ish couch in the Kris’ living room.

I feel like it’s obligatory to talk about this as well but due to chapter 1’s secret boss, Jevil, mentioned the Queen when mercilessly killed and said Queen was the main antagonist for chapter 2, it might be safe to believe that Mike, as mentioned by Spamton (regular) AND Spamton Neo, will be in chapter 3 and maybe as the main antagonist(?)

Chapter 4:

In relation to chapter 4, this translated dialogue pieces provide enough evidence for me to theorize for chapter 4. There’s obviously the more obvious pieces of dialogue being a Susie and Lancer interaction, but then there’s also a Berdly interaction which can potentially be directed at three people (in my opinion), those being:

Susie, as Berdly had gained some feelings for her in chapter 2.

Noelle, as Berdly seems to think she likes him

or Kris, due to them being the player character and there also doesn’t seem to be any dialogue from different characters in between (though Berdly does talk a lot)

This Berdly dialogue also mentions the Festival, meaning chapter 4 could potentially take place at the Festival/while it’s happening or it’s just the Festival being mentioned for lore purposes.

There also seems to be dialogue for some unknown characters (and a character I don’t personally recognize by name), though one of these does seem to potentially an interaction between Susie and Temmie(?) or a new character.

Chapter 5:

In the section of the newsletter talking about chapter 5…there was this. A line about ice melting and a gif of Bugerpants in what looks like a suit. So, if ANYTHING, chapter 5 might take place in ICE-E’s P”e”zza.

I’ll say this as well even if it’s sort of a stretch, we may or may not be able to finally hangout with Papyrus in this chapter, due to the fact that one of Papyrus’s puzzles in Undertale was the ICE-E word Jumble/Search.

Anyway chat that’s the end of my super cool theory don’t forget to like and subscribe or I’ll be hit by a truck in 5 hours 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Me and my friend conversed about this as well, they seem convinced by my silly theories

[gonermaker-ocpicrew]

INFO (always subject to change)

General about/Tag info

While I started this blog with archival and elaborate tag systems in mind, it doubles as a general UTDR fanblog.

I do not tag spoilers for Undertale, the 2 currently released chapters of Deltarune, or pre-release promotional material (e.g. Ch3 screenshots from the newsletters). My exact policy for proper Chapter 3 / 4 spoilers will be decided when we get serious promo (like a trailer and/or release date), but I will tag temporarily.

"Mad Mew Mew" is her default form. Fanart of her pre-transition self is tagged additionally tagged as "Mad Dummy" the same way the "God of Hyperdeath" is also tagged as "Asriel". A similar policy applies to Mettaton (except his pre-transition form is simply tagged as "ghost" due to my naming scheme for his different looks).

In the first few months of this sideblog's existence, I had a different main blog. While I tried to copy-reblog everything I'd archived here, it seems to have fucked up this blog's search system and it only focuses on what I freshly reblogged here (the #tag system is fine). For the best experience in hunting for specific overlapping tags (e.g. "papyrus 2015" for Papyrus fanart from Undertale's release year), you may want to look through this blog as well as @gonermaker-goner . If you don't know how the sitewide tag system works, jump to the very bottom of this post.

I do not use apostrophes in my organizational tags. This is to lower the risk of them breaking. Instead of "#snowdrake's mother" it's "#snowdrakes mother".

No reblog tagged as "au:" or "oc:" is my creation in any way unless specified otherwise.

I’ve shared like 5 posts that apply, but I tag criticism of the fangame Undertale Yellow as “utyeller neg” for blacklist.

If a Deltarune fanart references the specific events or one-off locations of a certain chapter (fanmade take or official), it gets tagged as that chapter. Characters on their own are not considered to reference any particular chapter. While alternate styles usually count as chapter references (e.g. the Fun Gang's doctor/nurse outfits), Ralsei's black Ch1 form does not due to its widespread use.

My logic for distinguishing between Undertale and Deltarune in character tagging is shaky,

I usually use the queue to publish 16 reblogs throughout each day (24 hours), but this is subject to change. Exceptions include emptying my queue so seasonal posts can publish at a certain time or when I add commentary other than short compliments.

BYF-Adjacent

I block people from my main blog very liberally for filtering purposes, especially if they post Sans AU content in the main Undertale tag. You can only block someone from your sideblog by entering their username into your individual blog settings on the web version of Tumblr. Blocking someone from your main only makes it so you don’t see their activity; they’ll still be fully able to interact with the sideblog. If you reply to my posts or send me asks and I don’t respond or acknowledge it, it’s possible this is the case.

Among other ships, I casually enjoy Chara/Frisk content as they only become family in one ending (I do not ship it in the context of said ending). I tag it for organizational purposes, so feel free to blacklist #charisk. I do not support Chara/Asriel nor any other pedophilic/incestuous pairing.

While I very much doubt anyone who does this is going to read the BYF on my tiny est. 2024 UT/DR blog, please block me if you “headcanon” Frisk, Kris, or Chara as boys/girls or refer to them with gendered pronouns.

On Reposts

Tumblr is pretty much the only popular social media site that lets you reliably archive others' posts. Twitter has been a dumpster fire of extreme bigotry, unfixed sitebreaking bugs, and spam for years, yet so many incredible UT/DR artists have used and continue to use it. For this reason, I sometimes repost art from there with the creator's handle captioned and a hyperlink to the art piece. As you may have noticed, reblogs are off for these reposts as they're purely on my blog for archival.

I will take down any art piece if an artist asks me to or if they have an active tumblr of a similar nature. If the latter is the case and an onsite version of the art piece exists, please show me that as well.

Many of these posts are tagged with "tag later". This is so I can go back and add tags that are used by the general fandom (ex: "#flowey") weeks after posting so they don't clog anything up.

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If you're new here and don't understand how Tumblr's archive/tag systems work, let me explain. (This all pertains to the browser version of Tumblr, the mobile stuff is limited and self-explanatory.)

Unless someone has certain opt-in privacy features enabled, their archive should be accessible by going to their blog and clicking the "Archive" button in the meatball/3 dots menu. This will let you simultaneously filter their posts by month-year of publishing, post type, and one tag used. For a non-archive variant of this, search that except without the "archive" part; blogexample.tumblr.com/tagged/tag. While certain tags will automatically show up in the list, you can search for anything by searching blogexample.tumblr.com/archive/tagged/tagexample (without the italicization). If the tag has spaces, put a %20 instead (blogexample.tumblr.com/tagged/chapter%201).

For plain searching, you can use blogexample.tumblr.com/search/example. However, like I implied above search result accuracy on Tumblr is pure ass and varies from blog to blog (I've noticed a way to make it more effective is to post frequently within the first few days of using the blog).