#uh like. 2005 afaik

[coldarena]

still riding that high

[skitskatdacat63]

Hi there @skitskatdacat63! I hope you’re well. 👋🏻

I don’t know if you’re still interested in doing this anymore. I remembered you were thinking about doing a “small men drinking out of giant trophies” tier list and thought I’d make a lil contribution. I hope that’s okay.

So, I went down a bit of a Martian rabbit hole today and came across a load of pictures from Monaco 2010 when Mark won the race. I noticed a few of them contained some…interesting shots of Mark scooping water up into his giant trophy and drinking out of it:

It’s not goblet shaped like Seb’s or Fernando’s, but Mark’s drinking out of it at least!

Bonus pics, ‘cause why not! 🤪:

I hope these images brighten your day/night/whenever you’re reading this! 😊

OH MY GOD YES THANK YOU!!! I totally forgot about these pics!!!! Seriously thank you 🥺

Okay the tier list I want to make will actually be the worst thing ever bcs I want to rate EVERY trophy in terms of drinkability(okay not every, but like back to 2005 at least...or 2000...) but yknow I've only really seen like 3 times(including these lovely pics you sent!!!) where they're *actually* drinking out if it. And having these really adds credence to my point, y'know?? I wanna do it but uh, it's a bit of a doozy going thru all those different podiums, but fuck, it would be so funny 😭 This trophy would go in the S tier bcs theres pics of someone actually drinking from it, but if not, it would still be like A tier bcs it can hold liquid and seems easy to drink from

It's funny that of all the drivers, afaik, these 3(Mark, Fernando, Seb) are the only ones that have look at these trophies that look like giant cups and went, yeah I'll drink to that. Truly unrestrained behavior hahaha

[precollapsesociety]

GengiNirvana>> Hey, sorry if this is a dumb question but I just joined a little while ago and I am totally obsessed with the Grassy Knoll saga and would love to do an early 1960s SecretService persona. But I have seen some people claiming that SPCIaL Period starts with the lunar landing even though other people just say “human-crewed spaceflight,” which afaik did start during the JFKennedy reign.

Eternal-Croptop>> Welcome! Not a dumb question. Part of it is that we don't have a firm sense of the first human-crewed spaceflight date. SovUnion claims it was them, and Usa claims to have done it the same year (1961 Common Era), but with all the propaganda circulating during ColdWar/SpaceRace, I feel like the lunar landing is a more appropriate start date since we can confirm that through archaeological evidence. Besides, it is just so hard to do a pre-1969 CE level of Performative Gender.

1999urne>> Ugh, GenderNorm. Like, i can respect the folks that are really deep into that super-early-spaceflight period or who want to roll SPCIal Period back to fission, but when there’s a bunch of them doing their thing while the rest of us are way later, it makes events feel really non-cohesive and it messes with my immersion. I kind of wish they would do their own thing.

CombustinJen>> Look at the Great Association for the Reenactment of Gilded Age Material and Esthetic Life: they recognized that they were out of scope for SPCIaL and created a new space that's really flourishing.

XoCarhartt>> Uh, if by 'flourishing' you mean an echo chamber for the same 800 people who want to do GenderNorm

techl0mera.2005>> But not everyone doing GenderNorm is doing it in a harmful way

TownCarGoesBeep>> Harshmallows, wow. Every group has its public kinksters giving it a bad rep, but we have to acknowledge the importance of immersion experiences in understanding the cultural factors repeating over the 20c and peaking in the end-stage capitalistic culmination of the collapse. You can't write off, say, Seth Patel's co-presentation of the steelworker and robber baron in really getting a grip on the breadth of social distance. (Though we cannot encourage a repeat of the hands-on experiment that led to his fiery death--RIP "Jim O'Donnell.")

XoCarhartt>> The problem with those GreatAss Gilded Age people is that half that org thinks that GenderNorm is the only way to accurately portray pre-flight EarthTerra. Which leaves no room for folks who aren't comfortable sublimating a real-life GenderId that doesn't conform. And it doesn't matter how much evidence you wave in their face about how GenderNorm was not universal even in their Period

JaydenRadio>> Or that their narrow vision of GenderNorm is deeply rooted in a specific NorthAm/EuroWest vision of masc/fem

XoCarhartt>> Seriously. I heard someone showed up to one of their events with an absolutely perfect, museum-quality Hijra impression and got barred from the event AND NetBanned from their NetNer channel!

TRadRexfem>> Really, it should be more like 99% of the org, when you consider that GeNorm was the norm for the vast majority of that period, when barely 3% worldwide departed from masc/fem by the early 21c. In reenactment today we see a gross overrepresentation of gender performance outside the standard binaries of the time, imposing modern practices that really disrupt my presentation of 1982 Iowa married domesticity. My persona would NEVER have met a trans person, much less interacted with them, and it's really hard to PRESERVE MY HERITAGE when the atmosphere is skewed all out of proportion. If anything, SPCIaL should restrict GenderId to binaries through 20c and pass max 1.5% of nonbinary persona registries outside it for later years. Anything else is FANTASY.

NekoNBee05> > Aw, look, TradWifeSub is back with a new handle and more gross GNorming. Reported.

TRadRexfem> >...

Admin>> TRadRexfem, that's two strikes, No GNormes, and you know it. Banned and canned. 

Admin>> Sorry for that, folks. Thanks to those who reported up the chain.

[derschwarzeengel]

A preface, bc I don't know your A:TLA fandom history: I've been an A:TLA fan since the show first aired in 2005 but didn't start lurking in the online fandom until 2008 (when Book 3 was airing). From what I recall, Zvkka was a nonexistent or tiny crack ship and so small that it was barely on anybody's radar. The prominent Zuko slash ships since the show first aired have, to my knowledge, always been Jetko, Zukaang, and Zhao/Zuko -- excluding incest ships. (For the record: Zutara is my OTP, but I also ship Jetko, Jetara, and Jet/Zuko/Katara as an OT3. I don’t ship Zvkka, ship Sokka with both Yue and Suki, and ship Aang with Toph.) (Both Jet and Zuko are bi disasters—to me—and there’s something very inherently funny about Jet being both Katara and Zuko’s ex-boyfriend.)

Zvkka as a ship did not become massively popular until Netflix added A:TLA in 2020, shortly after DreamWorks cancelled Voltron: Legendary Defenders and Klance shippers were salty that their ship wasn't canon. They migrated to A:TLA, saw the red/blue color scheme + new slash pairing with Zuko/Sokka, and immediately jumped ship, bringing the toxicity of the V:LD ship wars with them. (Some Zvkka shippers went as far to claim that they were queerbaited... over a fanon crack ship with zero (0) basis in canon that ended in 2008 and was never baited or teased in promotional material the way Kataang vs Zutara was.) Other Zvkka shippers (namely comradekatara) spread bullshit headcanons/fanon that Katara was homophobic, called Zutara shippers racist and homophobic under this logic, and since many Zutara shippers are ourselves WOC and/or queer...

... this is Not A Good Look for vocal Zvkka shippers, to word it mildly.

The worst of this happened here on Tumblr and Twitter/X as well as TikTok, AFAIK. Zvkka stans also tend to take a lot of Katara's canon traits and transfer them onto Sokka, steal Zutara fanart to replace Katara with Sokka & get hissy when called on it and asked to credit the original artists, usw.

Is it really necessary for those two to be a romantic couple in your fic even if it adds nothing to the overall plot?? Why can’t Katara and Aang just be???

Because they can't have Katara coming between Zuko and Sokka (due to the sheer amount of romantic subtext she has with Zuko in the show), and since Kataang is canon by the end of the series + the tie-in comics + sequel series Legend of Korra... Well.

By pairing Katara up with Aang in fics, she's no longer a threat to their slash ship. (Which is... not the flex some Zvkka shippers think it is. They're not beating the "misogynistic white fujoshi™" accusations.) Kataang shippers also pitch a fit whenever Katara is paired up with anyone not Aang, because "but what about Aang's feelings?!!" and "But Katara is Aang's forever girl and they're canon!!!"

Also, mostly related: Bryke let the fandom know it was a-okay to declare open season on Zutara shippers with their Book 4: Air incident at 2008 San Diego ComicCon.

And from what I've seen, Zvkka shippers (who are often also Kataangers) who play up the fact that their ship is just a silly little crack ship seem to be, uh... compensating for something? Like, yeah, there's not nearly as much meta, because the ship has 0 basis in canon to begin with. They also say this in a way that still seems weirdly insulting to only Zutarians, not Kataangers.

It’s been my experience that if you scratch a Zvkka shipper, you find a Kat@ang shipper — and vice versa.

And yes, the Zvkka stans are absolutely saying this — along with bragging about how their ship “solves” the ship war, when nah, they just added more fuel to the fire and also dunk on Zutara far more than they do Kataang.