#turnus

[ulteriusnetendeodiis]

"average ship is doomed by the narrative 3 times over" factoid actualy just statistical error. average ship is doomed by the narrative 0 times over. Turnus/Lavinia, which is doomed by the narrative 10,000 over, is an outlier adn should not have been counted

[consider-the-lily]

aeneas and turnus from the aeneid

[sforzesco]

What do you think of aeneas?

for a whole minute I stared at this thinking, oh wow that’s not an ancient politician that I recognize! even though I’ve posted art with Aeneas a couple of times on here and also have a copy of the Aeneid on my desk right now

uhhhhhh usually I have more thoughts about him, but all I’ve done is read books about Hannibal and Carthage recently, so my main thoughts revolve around his relationship to Dido, Rome, and imperial state violence (death of Dido, destruction of Carthage, narrative consumption)

he’s an odd one, I do feel like I should be interested in him on an individual level because he’s got so much going on in different ways, but the part of the Aeneid I read the most is the night raid with Nisus and Euryalus

like, the deaths of Pallas & Lausus, and the roles Turnus and Aeneas play in that (both narratively and structurally) reminds me of Troilos and Achilles in some kind of way, but that’s one of those thoughts I put on a shelf to unravel more at a later date lmao

[lastwave]

ive gotta know. what are your turnus opinions

HE MAKES ME SO SAAAAD DUDE. direct parallel to aeneas in an unwilling executor of the gods wills. aeneas showed up and as far as turnus is aware, ruined his life. i dont think he wore pallas's belt as a trophy, he wore it to remind himself to stay human. but aeneas was so jaded at that point he couldn't see that at All.

[eidasgrey]

Aeneid memes P1

[cy4zur3]

"why does aeneas kill turnus oh noo he was a good guy why couldnt aeneas see that" well one the achilles thing and two he has Literally already killed lausus and he cant walk it back so where the fuck else does his character progress? aeneas cannot face a timeline where he kills lausus but spares turnus can you imagine the injustice of it all? of Course he has to kill turnus. the turmoil has already pushed him to the brink he'll snap if he has to face the fact head-on that this war is a an inherently absurd civil mess and the glorious city fate and the gods have pushed him towards is founded on violence.

[dijeh]

Virgil, Aeneid

trans. Stanley Lombardo

[notacluedo]

Doodle of Camilla and Turnus first meeting (they’re best friends forever)

[pmreaper]

This is so Juturna and Turnus coded. they were siblings!!!!!! they were siblings!!!!!!!!!

[ulteriusnetendeodiis]

thinking, as always, about turnus and amata's relationship.

turnus' mother was a nymph, as was his sister. we can assume that they were off doing their nymph thing and weren't exactly present figures in turnus' life (i have my own thoughts about juturna and turnus' relationship as well but that's another post).

meanwhile, amata did have a son at one point, but one who died probably in infancy. i don't bring this up to devalue the relationship amata surely has with her daughter, lavinia, but i think it's important to note that amata at one point expected to be the mother to a son.

so you have turnus without a mother figure, and then you have amata without a son. and once turnus starts visiting latium on account of the marriage proposal, i really think that amata would start seeing turnus as a son she never got to have and turnus would love the maternal affection she offers.

i also feel like this contextualizes amata's suicide- not only is she convinced of aeneas' victory, but she's also lost a son for the second time. thats a horrible grief to have, one that opens old wounds as well as ripping open new ones. and on turnus' side, when he hears about amata's death, he goes to the duel he knows he'll lose.

idk. i just feel like turnus and amata genuinely loved each other as family beyond just "hello there son-in-law." there's so much implied in the few words relating between the two of them and it makes me feel ill in the best possible way

[sixteendiamonds]

tired of people acting like turnus isn’t the best male character in the aeneid

[firebird04]

Apparently even the ancient Romans had these dreams where you try to run but are seemingly stuck to the spot.

Some things just seem to be universal human experiences.

[galusandmalus]

Danae and Ardea

Oh my god, I'm obsessed with this. It is such a fascinating tidbit. Danae, a danaan (obviously) founding the CITY (I think now its a town or something but it was a actual ancient city) I know aenead does whole different version of danae but Pliny doesn't go into that so I can just imagine that some point after Mycenae is founded she goes and decided to build her own city and becomes a queen of a land she built just like perseus.

also something something symbolism about the people of ardea and Turnus being Greek in heritage irony fighting Trojans but reversed yadda yadda yadda

i like to headercanon Danae's time in Latnium in the Aeneid being after the whole perseus stuff.

[mamwdomuszafe]

Turnus rehabilitacyjny

Pod koniec sierpnia z Joaną (Joana to po grecku Joanna) pojechaliśmy do Dźwirzyna na dwutygodniowy turnus. Mieliśmy pokój na drugim piętrze z balkonem, gdzie żona mogła zapalić, bo nikt tego nie widział. Oficjalnie był zakaz palenia i były do tego wyznaczone miejsca, ale po co latać dwa piętra w dół, jeśli można zajarac na balkonie. Kiedyś napiszę o tym, jak przed wyjazdem do Aten, byłem nie palącym chłopakiem, a emigracja nauczyła mnie palić i to ostro. Jedzenie było kiepskie, ale do plaży mieliśmy, jakieś dwieście metrów, no i jako chyba jedyni słyszeliśmy nocą szum morza, bo w reszcie pokoi słychać było tylko auta z pobliskiej ulicy. Każdy zachód słońca oglądaliśmy w innych miejscowościach i każdy, był inny. Po tygodniu w sobotę wybraliśmy się do Świnoujścia zrobić niespodziankę przyjaciołom z Niemiec. Ania była poinformowana, ale Rafał stanął, jak wryty, gdy nas zobaczył. To był pięknie spędzony czas w Świnoujściu i odwiedziliśmy Elę, właścicielkę pięknej kawiarni El Papa Hemingway. Dwukrktnie miałem okazję robić tam wieczór z poezją i było cudownie. We wtore natomiast to Ania z Rafałem nas odwiedzili i też to był piękny czas. Z Rifim (Rafał) zagraliśmy kilka setów w tenisa stołowego. Cudownje było znów zagrać po tylu latach. Mimo, że do Dźwirzyna droga była męcząca, niby tylko 280 kilometrów, to co godzinę robiliśmy postój, bo kręgosłup dawał popalić. I pomyśleć, że kiedyś śmigało się z Hamburga do Limanowej prawie 1000 kilometrów. Trochę mało było zabiegów, bo tylko dwa. Chciałem dokupić masaże, ale stare wygi już to zrobiły, więc została plaża. Jakoś na początku poszedłem na tak zwany laser na kręgosłup. Pan kazał usiąść i poczekać, bo w drugim pokoju musi coś zrobić. Siedzę i czekam. Pięć minut, dziesięć, aż z korytarza odzywa się, jakiś starszy pan - Panie, tu na pana pacjent czeka. - Cholera, zapomniałem. Wie pan co. Ja to pana zapamiętam za tę pańską cierpliwość, bo takich, co się awanturują, to tu nie brakuje. - Żonę mam niecierpliwą, to dlatego jestem cierpliwy. - To w nagrodę zrobię panu dodatkowy laser. No i tak, zamiast dwóch, miałem trzy zabiegi. Cierpliwość popłaca.

[reaper-art]

So saying, she flung a burning branch at the youth, and planted the brand, smoking with murky light, in his chest.