#tom Brevoort

[fionapplespiano]

Tom Brevoort's whole "Scott and Jean having kids will age them" thing is kinda unfounded. (an analysis)

First of all, Tom Brevoort has stated that he believes that Scott and Jean are 28 years old, the same age as Peter Parker.

However, using the rule that four years our time is one year in the marvel universe, that claim simply isn't true. Scott and Jean debuted a little over 60 years ago, when they were 15-16 years old. 60 divided by 4 equals 15, so 16 + 15 means they are 31 years old as of right now.

But it should be noted that it was said that Jean was 24 years old when she died during the Dark Phoenix Saga, which was 44 years ago. 44 divided by 4 equals 11, so by that metric, Scott and Jean are 35.

So, Scott and Jean are NOT 28 years old, they're most likely somewhere between 31 and 35 years old in the current cannon.

Regardless of where you stand with their ages, one thing we can all agree on is that they are canonically older than Cannonball and Jubilee. And yet, they both have kids...

I mean, yeah, having a kid ages them a bit. But that's because they aren't in their 20s anymore? They were the first X-Men, so they're older than most of the other X-Men.

Also, they already kinda have a kid? In Cable? I mean, he wasn't born to Jean, he was born to her clone Madelyne Pryor. But she still raised him after Madelyne tried sacrificing him to demons.

But the problem is that Cable had to be raised in the future due to some techno-organic virus bullshit (I've never been a fan of the storyline), and they could only raise him until he turned 13.

Cable is 100% Scott and Jean's baby boy. But us Jott fans want them to have a baby they can raise in present day from start to finish.

I don't Rachel really counts, because I think she was around 18 years old when she came to the 616 universe. And I don't think they even remember Nate Grey...the writers certainly don't!

So, since they're already parents, are the first members of the X-Men, and X-Men that are canonically younger than them have kids themselves, how would them having another child be detrimental?

Listen, I get that we all have preferences, and not every couple needs to have a kid. But in the same breath, not every superhero needs to be a bachelor in their 20s, it's okay to let them evolve and let them get married or have kids.

If there's any X-Men couple that should have a child (that they don't have to send to the future) and be the Reed and Sue of the X-Men, it should be Jean and Scott.

Plus, Jean promised Rachel all the way back in the 90s that they would have the 616 version of her. It's rude to keep her waiting!

That's one way of saying you're gonna raw dog it tonight

So yeah, that's my rant for tonight. Scott and Jean are my favorite couple, and I know that I speak for a lot of Jott fans when I say that they should have a kid.

I think it would allow their relationship to evolve in a beautiful way ❤️❤️❤️

(p.s While we're at it, can we give Peter his marriage back? He's allowed to evolve too)

[rei-ismyname]

Ororo, how did you get here?

I wonder if we'll get a solid, in character explanation for why Storm would become a cop (Avenger) again. I'm writing an analysis on From The Ashes (so far) and while I'm clear-eyed about where most characters and books are at, I really need to know if they're even going to bother explaining why Storm would leave Arakko (oh yeah, there's still a million mutants on the red planet) and if they do to what degree. Sure she can just bail off screen but it'd be deeply out of character. She's a member of the Great Ring (or at least she was, occupying Magneto's empty Seat of Loss after she yielded the Regency to Lodus Logos.) She's the most impactful political and cultural figure in a generation. She was the leader of the winning faction in the Genesis War. She had a lover, who was caring for two orphans. I think they were living together. She was happy. I can't recall any ties to Atlanta, but it doesn't really matter. Without serious explanation she's going to look fickle, like she's shirking her duty. A duty she chose, too. Fought multiple wars over. She's getting a solo book, there's totally room to do it properly.

The other big ting for me is Magneto. The First Krakoan age put him through the ringer - his character arc was objectively given the most attention and subjectively the most satisfying. Even without Uncanny X-Men #700 he was poised to shake up the status quo but when you include his chat with Charles that's a promise. A promise that needs to be paid off. Not just any old promise either - it's an ideological breakthrough five decades in the making! He's been kept in the background so far and I haven't really been able to judge whether that promise is being kept or not. I hope so but my expectations are low. It would be such tonal whiplash I can't even think of an analogy.

Interestingly both Max and Ororo were Of Arakko last time we got a close look. Magneto died defending Arakko, he has friends there. He is literally one of the society's heroes for slaying Tarn the Uncaring and The Hour Of Magneto/Judgement Day.

Yeah, that's right. *AIR HORN* *PUMPS FIST* He cares about the Arakki and they care about him. He'd want to pay his respects to the Fisher King and generally see how it's going. He lost his place on the Great Ring when he died and Vulcan blew up his house, but neither are especially important. Both planet and culture are dear to him. After X of Swords, in that brief period when the Arakki were on Earth, it was Magneto meeting with Isca about teething problems. 'Twas Magneto who spearheaded the Terraforming Operation, handling the communication/logistics and harvesting enough iron to bring the planet to life from the Khyber Belt. While he was doing that, Ororo was fighting Nameless to the death for the Noontide Seat.

I could honestly go on, but my point is these two especially are invested. (Roberto Da Costa too, but it seems the New Mutants are represented by Magik alone and Cypher looking like an idiot.) If that continuity is disregarded I'm going to have a problem with it. Honestly, if Arakko is there and not being used in any stories I'll be scratching my head. How do you go from terraforming planets to hated and feared on Earth as anything other than a regression? The geopolitical implications of it being there pretty much break the world they're selling us. They're telling us it's so dangerous for mutants that they're developing secret hand signals and Underground Railroad'ing. At least some mutants would move to fucking Mars. All countries would be at Defcon 1. Did the entire galactic council just forget Sol exists?

I'll stop there, save some for the actual essay instead of the rant lol. If you're enjoying it I couldn't be happier for you. I am struggling to, though, and I'm very wary of heartbreak. Maybe that's on me for how I manage my expectations. We shall see.

[salarta]

Now that I've been banned over a tame joke on CBR, I might be making more posts over here on Tumblr. This is one such post.

I usually, deliberately, do not post stuff about the current X-Factor book. Why? Because it's trash. And the current X-Men senior editor, Tom Brevoort, has previously said that he thinks being a colossal asshole is "good for business" because it gets people talking.

Of course, that's just him trying to make excuses for being an asshole, just like he tried to make excuses for why Polaris "couldn't" be Magneto's daughter. But I digress.

The reason I'm bringing it up now, though, is pretty simple.

He fucked up. Hard. And not only does he know it, but he's trying to change the subject away from his fuckup.

This past Wednesday, Marvel released X-Factor #2. If you're going to read it, do so by pirating. Or not at all. Because any purchase for any reason gives the false impression that they should keep doing what they're doing.

In this week's issue, the "Polaris" in the story wasn't just bad. Wasn't just 90s nostalgia bad. It was the most blatant display of nostalgia for regressive sexism toward Lorna in decades. It was bad enough that it would've skated on thin ice even before Lorna surviving the Genoshan genocide.

The basic summary of all I've seen is this.

Story forces Havok x Polaris trash just because of nostalgia. Lorna acts all submissive and needy around Havok, like she desperately wants his approval and involvement in her life. Havok comes with her to a Mutant Underground meeting, but only to spy on them, and Lorna somehow (brain worms tiem) doesn't notice he's wearing a button cam. Despite, you know. Her powers.

For some reason, and by some reason I mean "nostalgia for an attitude that Lorna is a nobody character," Lorna is just a rando in the Mutant Underground surrounded by other randos. Even though she's a survivor of the Genoshan genocide, and had trashed Orchis' space station basically days prior in comics time, she's treated as just a random nobody in the group. And when Mutant Underground realized Havok was wearing a camera, they took Lorna hostage - without a fight from her - with implication that they might kill her due to his actions.

.............

If you're wondering how it makes sense, it doesn't. This isn't Lorna. It's Brevoort's shitty fanfic idea of Lorna as a nobody character whose only value is to promote his favorite straight cis Aryan male, Havok.

Obviously, because we're not living in the sexist late 60s and 70s, this treatment of her has been universally panned. Even by people who want to support the book. The few people trying to defend it, do so under the guise of "lol it's a parody so it's perfectly fine," but that shit's been getting shut down fast by pointing out that parody isn't an excuse for some things. Like this.

This is where the biggest reason for my post comes in.

Yesterday, literally one day after releasing X-Factor #2, Marvel used their favorite sycophant fan site to release an "exclusive preview" of X-Factor #3... a whole ass month in advance. Unlike the last two previews that emphasized Havolaris shit, this preview didn't include the Havolaris shit. It focused on Havok and Friends.

Anyone who can read between the lines on this stuff can recognize what it means when a company rushes to release brand new teaser stuff for the next issue immediately after releasing the current one. From a marketing and buzz standpoint, if your work doesn't suck, you want to give audiences time to digest. You want them to think it through, build it up with word of mouth, convince other people to buy into the book and be on the lookout for new things before you put out a teaser. And you wait until later to publish the teaser so it's fresh in minds to go out and buy it.

Rushing out the next preview means they're desperate to change the subject with what's on hand. They can't radically change the next issue (maybe the next few) in response to criticism and complaints because they're too far along in the publishing pipeline.

They, especially Brevoort, also don't want to admit they made a mistake. Because at the end of the day? Treating Lorna like shit off of sexist nostalgia is what they want. They want people to accept it and let it pass, because they think that unlike Storm, Jean Grey, Emma Frost, etc, that they can get away with being sexist fucks about how they depict Lorna.

So with changing the next issues not an option, and offering up an apology and admitting any kind of fault isn't an option, there's only one real recourse they have.

Releasing shit stupid early and hoping people will change the subject so they can get away with the sexism.

The current X-Factor book is shit. It's based heavily on one man's sexist fantasies for a time decades too old for today. Keep that in mind when you see this stuff.

For my money's worth, this isn't even Lorna. I refuse to recognize this character as being Lorna, because it's blatant that the intent behind it isn't to acknowledge Lorna or her fandom and do right by the character. There's no actual Lorna in this. Therefore it's not Lorna. If you're jonesing for a Lorna fix, read a fanfic, because fanfics are more accurate than what Marvel's publishing.

[doctorofmagic]

"Logan is straight" this "Hickman didn't cook a threesome with Scott and Jean" that

So how do you explain when Clea and Stephen invited him to a threesome? 🙄

Jokes aside, it's so obvious Marvel will never let their most popular characters be queer in order to please the ultrababies, we had this conversation over and over. If being bi/pan is already enough of a taboo, imagine when they touch the subject of polyamory.

I watched it live with Ewing's Guardians of the Galaxy and it's all subtle, even though Quill is canonically both (which was STILL subtle because I've seen LOTS of comments like "this panel doesn't confirm anything" and it's literally Peter taking a bath with a f|m couple, which later became their throuple, but okay).

Anyways, at the end of the day, these are fictional characters, and while I'd love canon rep, we're talking about a very toxic industry that sells to both queer and ultraconservative readers. An industry so flawed that they're celebrating *checks notes* STRAIGHT ALLIES this year's pride month.

So hmmm, idk, headcanons are free. Have fun.

(this is about Hickman's logan/scott/jean controversy and how Brevoort denied it btw. My instance is simple: I'm old. I can pick subtle queer tones miles away. People complaining or denying it would NOT survive the experience of being baited by both Gotham and Supernatural like I was. I'VE SEEN THINGS)

[shadowwingtronix]

So I Hear The X-Men Went Psycho...

BW Media Spotlight sees Tom Brevoort discuss heroes and killing in So I Hear The X-Men Went Psycho...

I’ve never been a huge X-Men fan. Even the original Fox Kids cartoon didn’t do much for me, so the relaunch didn’t make me miss Disney+. I hope that’s not a theme this week, but I saw an article from Bounding Into Comics where Tom Brevoort, incoming editor to the X-Books took a shot at the “Krakoa era” finale and showed that he may understand superheroes whatever his current political commentary…

[rzc11]

Thank you, Chad. Jean Grey gets to us, too :) in a good way.

[newx-menfan]

I’ll believe the Hellion rumors when I see it lol

[samasmith23]

Massive kudos to Matt Fraction & Tom Brevoort for retconning John Byrne’s creepy weirdo crap with Reed Richards & Susan Storm!

[agentxthirteen]

Sharon-A-Day, Day 744 (1/14/24)

Captain America V5 30. On sale 9/19/07. "The Death of the Dream Part Six"

Writer: Ed Brubaker

Penciller: Steve Epting

Inker: Michael Perkins

Letterer: Joe Caramagna

Colorist: Frank D'Armata

Editor: Tom Brevoort

Surprise, Sharon!

[kingoftieland]

Marvel CANCELED Hulk’s most fascinating form: Righteous Hulk! 👑

[tgirldarkholme]

Carol becoming Captain Marvel... was Tom Brevoort and Brian Michael Bendis' idea all along? (x)

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[fionapplespiano]

Welp there goes my hopes and dreams for a Jott baby 😪

I'm bummed, but hey he could always change his mind in the future.

[rei-ismyname]

Tom Brevoort's missed opportunity

Tom Brevoort, the current 'Conductor of X,' caught flak for his opinion on the X-Men killing people in Fall of X. He said that Jordan D White, the Editor for the Krakoan age, shouldn't have let it happen. Here's the full article.

I actually think it's a fair position to take, one grounded in an understanding of who the X-Men are - or at least who they were. It's unprofessional AF, but a point with merit. Everyone has their headcanons and most of us are subject to nostalgia goggles, but when you are the editor of the entire X-Line you have the opportunity to impose that on everyone else.

If I believed what Tom did and was in his position I'd have the X-Men deal with what they've just experienced. I daresay it would even lend itself to fascinating character studies and conflict. It kinda writes itself. Kurt would be a particularly good place to start and it would feel organic if he was struggling to deal with the guilt of the people he killed. That obviously hasn't happened, not even a little bit. We've seen 4 issues of Uncanny X-Men so far and his personality has been Religious Guy But Not a Priest Oops We Didn't Mean to Imply That.

The line even has plenty of unexplained interpersonal conflict - Gail Simone herself said that Rogue and Cyclops were 'almost recreating the Professor X/Magneto dynamic.' Except they're not, they're just at odds except when they're aren't at odds. We don't know what their ideology and methodology is, so it's hard to take seriously. No, impossible to take seriously. That dynamic was built over half a century whereas Scott and Rogue have been family for about the same time with nothing in common to the other dynamic.

This issue isn't even in the top ten of my problems with From The Ashes (and I'll get to that), but I was thinking about that article and my own experience as a writer/editor, and I couldn't help but feel that it's a missed opportunity from a deeply unserious man. Also, if you're living in the glass house of FTA you probably shouldn't throw stones at the editor of the Krakoan age, you know?

This is Logan behaviour, Tom.

[salarta]

No one:

Absolutely no one:

Havok: I’m gonna say the M word!

Tom Brevoort: And now to make Polaris act like she can’t quit that and end up barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, cause I fuckin love sexism when I can get away with it

[hellstromknight]

Fantastic Four #526

You know, before, I honestly didn't like the Fantastic Four, but now, after reading a whole lot of comics because of this wonderful video, I'm honestly loving the F4.

[aboutzatanna]

So Tom Brevoort, comic book nerd and editor over at Marvel is currently going through the first JLA volume over on his tumblr.

His take on Zatanna's extended backstory involving Sindella is the same as what I hear elsewhere:

<blockquote>Having inducted Zatanna into the League in the previous issue, Conway made her the focus of a multi-part story that delved into her history, background and origins. I don’t know that there was really any more of an origin needed that, “Daughter of Zatara, who employs the same manner of spells that he did”, but Conway felt differently, and so the new recruit became the center of the storyline. I wasn’t entirely sold on this reworked version of Zatanna, though, and so this wasn’t exactly a welcome direction for me. </blockquote>

Whilst Brevoort's blog is worth checking out for his insight into older comics (if you're into it), I have to disagree with his take here.

I get that the story of Sindella is very much a product of it's time and there are some weird bits that take away from the overall story but I think that on paper, the story of a mother and daughter cruelly separated from each other and for their reunion to end in tragedy is one with a lot of potential and is worth revisiting. (I covered Sindella's story here, here and here).

The story also has an important place in DCU lore in that it's also the first time that the term Homo Magi was mentioned. And aside from the silly 'fatal attraction' thing between human and homo magi, I like the idea of homo magi having to isolate themselves from humans because otherwise their magical gene would vanish over the course of a few generations.

I think the main problem is that the story has been left to languish and has not been revisited. Part of why Superman, Batman and Spider-Man stay relevant is because their stories, supporting characters and villains are constantly updated for newer audiences. Look at how characters like Mr Freeze, Kite Man and so many others have been revamped and upgraded over the years.

It also doesn't help that modern retellings often ignore Sindella's place in the lore. Especially egregious was the Young Justice show where they decided to tie the origin of all magic and Homo Magi to Vandal Savage while Sindella had no lines and just died of cancer. None of the bazillion 'all magic is dying' stories in JLD ever touches on Sindella's role in the magical cosmology either for that matter.

So, fingers crossed and hoping that Sindella gets her due one day.