#to reiterate: this show is very sincerely trying to produce something dramatic and enjoyable and I respect that

[sawdust-emperor]

I can skip over it in the episode because it's a musical and the cringe is built into it as camp, so if you're not willing to let go of some of the preconceptions of what "good" media is you're going to FUCKING HATE any musical, not just Hazbin Hotel.

But dear God. Velvette jumping in and saying she wouldn't swipe right on any of these millionaires because they're not trending and are holding back in an unknown situation - this isn't other fashion designers at the table. These are supposed to be people with a total of MILLIONS of souls under their collective thumbs. You're saying a group of overlords who LITERALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PERMANENTLY OWN ANOTHER SOUL and force it to do labor or otherwise threaten it with destruction don't hold up to a trio of arguably the same type of person? Because they aren't trending or trying to remain relevant in the public eye? Like - just by sheer numbers, the original group with Carmilla in it has the Vs beat by numbers. She then says she's the backbone of the Vs, which, sure, that's who you send to your meeting with the people you don't respect? If anything, Vox is more personable and manipulative if it was about merit. This is like a Bitcoin miner showing up to a "how do we hide our laundering better so the IRS doesn't catch us" meeting with the Walton Family and Arms Dealer Tony Stark and telling them "we could just kill the agents who show up at the door", which - yeah. You could. But there would be easily foreseen consequences. We know this, Carmilla knows it, she figures the other overlords know (and absolutely would pursue the course of action that could fuck up everything she has going on) too. Maybe they want the reasonable doubt that comes with not knowing what killed the angel because they'd rather just sit back and deal with the loss instead of fight and risk losing badly as well. But VELVETTE should know that. Velvette should know all of this. The arrogance makes sense, but she is equating real investment power influence with social media and broadcast influence when they aren't the same at all. Again: Bitcoin Miner vs. old money. YouTuber vs. FCC approved broadcast media. Twitter vs. a newspaper. I have no clue how old she's supposed to be, but to be this off-base when speaking to people who could fuck you over as massively as any of the people in that meeting, she'd have to be like twenty.