#to exist this time. even if that doesn't overlap with the people who consider bruce a father
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to me, tim and duke occupy a similar position in the batfamily where they're clearly not (or previously weren't, in tim's case) bruce's sons but also clearly have a connection to bruce's children that separates them from barb, steph, helena, jean paul, etc. none of the latter three are dick's siblings, but tim nearly always has been, and then he's cass' too. even if he hadn't been adopted, this would be true. duke is jason's brother, and is implied to have a sibling relationship with cass and damian, and has even shown up in tim's picture of his brothers. this is not changed by the fact that duke should never be adopted.
#you could say jpv and cass have that sibling bond but i saw them as friends who understand each other very closely unlike babs and jpv#who explicity made their relationship brother/sister adjacent#and also tim is helena's little brother but i think we all agree that it doesnt change dick and helena's relationship#it's not exactly...necessary for there to be this group of people who occupy this overlapping network of being siblings but it does happen#to exist this time. even if that doesn't overlap with the people who consider bruce a father#it's just one of the many subgroups that exist within the batfamily itself and i wanted to define it for the purposes of my posts#extra disclaimer in case it isn't clear: i'm not using familial relationships vs non familial relationships to create a hierarchy#i don't think all of the sibling(esque) relationships are inherently stronger than the non familial ones. i'm just defining them based on#the more dictionary definition of sibling (< also why im not talking abt found family. it's just not my point rn)
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