#tlt lang analysis

[schizononagesimus]

tlt lang analysis update: it's driving me crazy thinking about sixth house linguists. like. i havent looked for it yet but im aware on new rho House is referred to as, well, House. if it's ever referred to as english im gonna go insane because they have greek and latin in canon so they absolutely have a way to decipher that word, but do they have enough knowledge of pre-resurrection history to know WHY it's called english? also, what in terms of a lingua franca? is it only the Houses that have a lingua franca? are there other languages within the Houses? im losing my fucking mind

[schizononagesimus]

this was my first post on this particular tumblr account and four years later i can tell my past self i ended up reading harrow the ninth and it taught me to believe in nothing

Waiting for the moment where reading a book will make me believe in something

[schizononagesimus]

responding to tags by @mayasaura: #I'M SO CURIOUS ABOUT OTHER LANGUAGES WITHIN THE HOUSES#all signs point to no#there was only one language spoken on the Ninth and no gap in communication between Gideon and the heirs#and you know if any House would have jealously guarded the preservation of an independent language it would be the Ninth#no one ever tries to deduce House from accent either but there MUST be House accents#I'm guessing there's been careful monitoring and cultivation to ensure there's only one language#(the way Abigail was under surveillance for having unorthodox opinions about the Cohort)#and for similar reasons#but HOW???#John and the lyctors are so non-interference on so many levels how could they possibly have preserved a language#that shit needs standardized education at the very least#by all accounts it doesn't make sense

IT IS SO SURPRISING in particular with the Ninth that there is one language, though the noniad is written in language that's more archaic, so there IS linguistic evolution occurring but we can only learn about the syntax and words that are essentially synonyms here. if i look closely at the poem structure i might be able to spot accent-related stuff, i'm very curious if the kiwi accent was preserved (i assume so given the name pronunciations). but EXACTLY re: the hands off approach, while linguistic genocide does exist it would be surprising if this was carried out in the Houses however it is possible. accents would be the one thing they can't fully stop i reckon, and as far as we can tell the life children lead on each planet is wildly different in terms of schooling (see, Fourth House versus Sixth, as a random example), so it would be kind of wild if the education was standardized enough. FURTHERMORE, people in the Cohort would likely have a buckwild amount of slang, just look at any military in our literal entire world--travel, acronyms, being around people from just EVERYWHERE will do this. it's not quite adding up but the theories are theorying!!

tlt lang analysis update: it's driving me crazy thinking about sixth house linguists. like. i havent looked for it yet but im aware on new rho House is referred to as, well, House. if it's ever referred to as english im gonna go insane because they have greek and latin in canon so they absolutely have a way to decipher that word, but do they have enough knowledge of pre-resurrection history to know WHY it's called english? also, what in terms of a lingua franca? is it only the Houses that have a lingua franca? are there other languages within the Houses? im losing my fucking mind

[schizononagesimus]

THAT WOULD MAKE PERFECT SENSE I THINK YOURE RIGHT there are instances of us doing similar with language we don't understand, like linear A and the voynich manuscript (in the case of voynichese in particular one of the prevailing theories is that it was a work of fiction). I'll double check, but i know they refer to the meter the poetry is written in but I don't know about the language coming off as archaic. Unrelated but the fact that THOSE are the books that survived for them is just one of my favorite things, they got some bangin literature from the pre-res era.

tlt lang analysis update: it's driving me crazy thinking about sixth house linguists. like. i havent looked for it yet but im aware on new rho House is referred to as, well, House. if it's ever referred to as english im gonna go insane because they have greek and latin in canon so they absolutely have a way to decipher that word, but do they have enough knowledge of pre-resurrection history to know WHY it's called english? also, what in terms of a lingua franca? is it only the Houses that have a lingua franca? are there other languages within the Houses? im losing my fucking mind

[schizononagesimus]

That's exactly where I was going, but you explained it way better for our viewers at home so thank you LOL. Honestly I probably could've found a better comparison but the idea was "well, we dunno why it's like this so we can only assume that's just how this thing was done." IIRC, re: Nonius talking Like That, he and Wake are referring to the meter of the poem exclusively rather than the words in it... which makes sense but GAH. I'm gonna do more investigating before I keep picking at this.

tlt lang analysis update: it's driving me crazy thinking about sixth house linguists. like. i havent looked for it yet but im aware on new rho House is referred to as, well, House. if it's ever referred to as english im gonna go insane because they have greek and latin in canon so they absolutely have a way to decipher that word, but do they have enough knowledge of pre-resurrection history to know WHY it's called english? also, what in terms of a lingua franca? is it only the Houses that have a lingua franca? are there other languages within the Houses? im losing my fucking mind

[mayasaura]

Linear A and Voynichese are a little different in that no one knows a damn thing about what they fucking mean, but I think it's the same idea? Let me clarify just so I know we're on the same page.

Like, the Resurrected woke up and learned English from John with zero context for anything, but they had some translations of the Iliad and so on written in archaic English, as even more modern translations of the Iliad tend to be, so they went "Oh, I guess that's how that kind of poetry is written. This is a dialect used only for epic poetry. Cool. We'll write poetry in it, too!"

So the Noniad could be written Like That because it's poetry, and no one in the Nine Houses ever really talked like that. Now there is evidence against this in that Nonius does talk Like That in the River, but I submit as counter-counter evidence that Wake also starts speaking Like That when the rules of the setting are under the influence of the Noniad. Nonius may be influenced by his conduit, and is speaking using grammar and vocabulary a House speaker would usually expect to only find in poems.

Is that the same direction you were going with the Linear A comparison, or is there some new and exciting connection in there that I'm not quite getting yet?

tlt lang analysis update: it's driving me crazy thinking about sixth house linguists. like. i havent looked for it yet but im aware on new rho House is referred to as, well, House. if it's ever referred to as english im gonna go insane because they have greek and latin in canon so they absolutely have a way to decipher that word, but do they have enough knowledge of pre-resurrection history to know WHY it's called english? also, what in terms of a lingua franca? is it only the Houses that have a lingua franca? are there other languages within the Houses? im losing my fucking mind