#tldr: jae prolly started grooming vis between 10-15

[kingcunny]

Just read your Baelon grooming Viserys bit, Do you think Jaehaerys was grooming his Alyssa replacement grandson while Baelon was alive or was he focused on Saera at that point? Did he only really start focusing on Viserys once he wanted Rhaenys out of the succession or was it before then?

so fun little fact i rediscovered while checking birth and death dates to make sure i have the timeline straight in my mind: saera gets sent to oldtown the same year alyssa dies. wonder if that has anything to do with jaehaerys trying to recreate them... or versions of them that Belong to him instead.

the idea to replace the relationship jaehaerys couldnt have with alyssa with her son probably came not long after her death, but i think jaehaerys would really turn his attention on viserys after aemons death. alysanne can call rhaenys their future queen all she wants but without a brother to marry to Make her queen*… :/ rhaenys was never a serious contender for the throne in jaes mind, he just kept waiting for aemon and jocelyn to give him a grandson. (pretending that its not obvious they only wanted one kid) but with aemon dead, viserys is jaes oldest male grandchild. the crown will go to baelon, and him after that. and while baelon accepted the crown and was ready to rule... viserys still needs some Work to get there.

part of jaes grooming of his grandson/replacement daughter was about keeping vis in his inner circle while also excluding rhaenys (by not grooming her). jae had already decided rhaenys was out of the succession before baelons death. baelon dying before becoming king just meant that jae had to cash in on that grooming to make sure vis makes the same choice his father did. (to pass rhaenys over)

im not sure if baelon would know what was going on between his father and son, (i also dont think hed look very hard) but even if he did i dont think hed really.. care? or see it as something he should stop? hes been socialized to accept incest as Normal. he married his sister and had three children with her. i dont think jae wouldve touched his sons (thats GAY) but maayybe baelon knew what was going on with him and his sisters, or had an idea about it. so when vis starts spending more and more time with jae, he maybe intentionally doesnt look very hard at it. vis had to get his 'out of sight out of mind' attitude from somewhere.

*(actually saying that, maybe jae starts with vis after rhaenys marrys corlys…? if shes gonna marry outside the family then clearly shes not very serious about being queen. her kids wont even be targaryens :/)