#this story's version of bruce who created zur is sooo aslkdja like he was downstairs in the cave building this personality

[hood-ex]

Omg, don't let me start with this cuz I'm about to burn my city down completely istg. I felt SO ANNOYED while reading this issue, and I still pretty much am ---- not only because Bruce's done this to his SON, but because Jason is almost like cannon fodder at this point and that just upsets me. He doesn't deserve that, not even with all the things he's done in the past.

Right, but it's not Bruce who is doing this malicious thing to Jason, it's Zur (although there is the question that if Bruce created Zur, should he take responsibility for Zur's actions?). It's the backup personality Bruce "downloaded" into himself. The problem is that Zur is beyond Bruce's control now, and Bruce is compromised because of it. Although, we did see Bruce come to the surface when he threw a batarang to Dick to help him and Tim escape.

But, yeah, having Bruce be the one to do that to Jason (even though it's not technically Bruce) is disturbing. And Bruce has hurt Jason before, so that part isn't new, but this method feels particularly violating.

[dumbassalex]

Bruce should absolutely be held accountable for Zurs actions, because Zur isn't a natural mental illness or alternative personality, it's Bruces doing, because that paranoid workaholic bastard decided "no, i will not take rest when i need it and let my family support and help me" and made Zur through tech and special techniques, he intentionaly worked to make Zur and he knew he could get out of hand since the time he made him.

Omg, don't let me start with this cuz I'm about to burn my city down completely istg. I felt SO ANNOYED while reading this issue, and I still pretty much am ---- not only because Bruce's done this to his SON, but because Jason is almost like cannon fodder at this point and that just upsets me. He doesn't deserve that, not even with all the things he's done in the past.

Right, but it's not Bruce who is doing this malicious thing to Jason, it's Zur (although there is the question that if Bruce created Zur, should he take responsibility for Zur's actions?). It's the backup personality Bruce "downloaded" into himself. The problem is that Zur is beyond Bruce's control now, and Bruce is compromised because of it. Although, we did see Bruce come to the surface when he threw a batarang to Dick to help him and Tim escape.

But, yeah, having Bruce be the one to do that to Jason (even though it's not technically Bruce) is disturbing. And Bruce has hurt Jason before, so that part isn't new, but this method feels particularly violating.