#this show was genuinely fun to watch up to 3x11 then it went to hell with bad writing tropes

[vole-mon-amour]

3x11, part 2, RJK edition.

oh my god, just make out already, you two. Jamie is so fucking sad, who fucking hurt him, I wanna hurt them back.

Jamie is on the verge of tears, can't Roy fucking see it??? LOOK INTO HIS EYES AND SEE IT.

That is probably the most mature and concerned reaction I've ever seen from Roy towards Jamie. Like when he hugged him in s2, it was great. But here he's actually trying to TALK about it. He's genuinely concerned and interested in what's going on.

EMMY WINNER PHIL DUNSTER WHEN?????? Jfc. Just hug the boy, Roy.

;_____; Sharing trauma aka I've been thrown into Sunflowers and Amsterdam again. BEST FRIENDS.

Ok. This is ok. I'm okay. There was a glimpse where the kiss could've happened and Jamie could've continued wailing and it would WORK. Roy wouldn't even say a thing bc Jamie is a mess and it might now mean anything, and if it did, they can talk about it later.

Anyway. Jamie going in for a hug FIRST bc he trust Roy and he feels safe around him and he feels okay about physical intimacy and being vulnerable with him now. I wanted my hug & I guess this is the closest I can get to that one in 2x06. And with Jamie crying again. Ohhh my god.

The poor boy needs a vacation with both Roy and Keeley (and a lot of sex and love from them). I'd say RoyJamie only, but it's more likely at this point that ot3 happens instead of otp.

Well, it's close to Will walking in on Roy and Jamie kissing. Almost.

I'm fucking staying here. I don't need anyone else. I'm staying here and going down with this ship. Jamie full on can do whatever he wants at this moment & Roy would probably allow him. The hands interlinked on Roy's back, Jamie's head going from Roy's shoulder into the crook of Roy's neck. They really are best friends. Jamie feels so comfortable and safe with him. Putty in his hands, huh?

And I can't fucking keep quiet about Phil pulling this off. Like... MY GOODNESS, GIVE HIM ALL THE FUCKING AWARDS. It makes me sad but at the same time I can't stop laughing, and I'm sure this was the intention. Bc this dramatic wailing is truly something.

At the same time, "I can't sleep, and I can't eat" is a serious sign of depression or at least a serious burnout. Get Jamie a therapist and some quality time break from all the stress.

"Jamie is a mess & I gotta help him."

Keeley is so excited she gets to help Roy with Jamie. This is very ot3 of you. I gotta say though, Roy has to learn how to talk and communicate. It's all fun and all, the idea of when there's a miscommunication or Roy unable to go to emotional depths, but it's really important. In the previous ep he watched Jamie and came up with the right words for Keeley. In here he went to Keeley so she could help him with Jamie. I see a pattern, but I'd love Roy to act on it. Saw Keeley maybe, came up with the right words, knew how to act with Jamie, went back to help.

But then I expect both of them to go back to Jamie and help, so also very ot3 of them.

Jamie and his rings. Jamie being so many fans fav player. Jesus, I love this kid so. fucking. much. Get him into therapy again, please.

"How's he doing?" "Fucking hell." "I'll talk to him."

For a show that gives so many queer references, it would be weird if they were queerbaiting us tbh. It's possible, but it's still weird, especially with so many queer characters.

For the reference.

IF NOT OT3, THEN WHY THIS. They're gonna drive me insane.

[gch1995]

@we-built-the-shadows-here

Oh, boy...Rumple was the whole reason I got so emotionally invested in OUAT in the first place, but he was unfortunately ultimately afflicted with the same curse of being destroyed by ridiculously character assassinating plot driven bad writing that almost every other main character on this show was subjected to in one way or another after the first two-and-a-half seasons in general really because Adam and Eddy ran out of story after that, and didn’t know what else to do, so they just kept undoing and redoing these characters developments and regressions over and over again in increasingly unbelievable, contrived, and OOC ways until they all became mostly hollowed out shells of the fantastic characters they once were.

Yes, Rumple/Gold is is easily the most emotionally complex, consistently relatable, well-written, and well-developed character and reforming anti-villain/tragic hero type character on this show with an arc that actually felt organically well-earned and fun to root for, rather than just something that I was being inorganically forced to root for by A&E and these writers because the actor who played them was conventionally attractive, so they were handed redemption on a silver platter like many of the other villains on this show were in the first two-and-a-half-seasons. Unfortunately, the show’s overall sense of emotional depth, consistent and realistic characterizations in the main cast, relatability, integrity, continuity, credibility, and organic sense of growth, and the rules of magic take a major nosedive in 3B of total nonsense in favor of a certain guest star that Eddy Kitsis went gaga over in a way that he compromised the entire original theme of family on the show for a ship, his laziness to write organic character development, and wildly OOC, contrived, cartoonish, hypocritically, simplistically, and pettily black versus white morality, melodramatically mutually toxic, and ridiculously shocking soap opera character destroying bullshit twists of “HOLY SHIT! WTF just happened? This makes no sense! This totally contradicts everything I was led to believe would happen before! How could this or that character actually do or say that? Why are they acting so bizarre? This is so out-of-character! They would never do or say this in real life! How could they be so stupid? This is so unfair! Where the hell did this come from? This feels like a Disney sponsored crack!fic on screen that I’m watching! Why are the characters not growing or learning from their mistakes? Why has everyone become so fucking awful to each other? Who are these pod people wearing my favorite characters faces? ” *HEADDESKS* From the end of 3B, or really maybe even S2where we start to see the plot holes in magic and the contrivances pushing characters back, but particularly after 3A to the end of the series everyone in the remaining main cast got seriously destroyed multiple times in one way or another with the lazy character derailing bad writing tropes of Aesop Amnesia, moral dissonance, compressed vices, designated hero, designated villain, flanderdization, romantic plot tumor, yo-yo plot points, the Chris Carter effect, chickification, demonization, most writers are male, die for our ship, cheap shock value, shocking swerve endings and beginnings, deus angst machinna, unfortunate implications, and the idiot ball for idiotic contrived plots, particularly Emma, Rumple, and Belle in favor of propping up Eddy’s Gary Stu.

I’m not going to go into detail about what happens, but generally speaking, those of us in the fandom accept canon as legit all the way up to “Going Home” (3x11), and try to detach ourselves from all the bullshit crack!fic AU spin off on screen from 3B-S7. Not that there aren’t genuinely good moments and episodes from 3B-S7 here and there, but yeah, try not to get too emotionally or mentally attached to canon after 3A when your favorite characters start to do and say wildly OOC, ridiculous, and fucked up things to each other that make no sense, and don’t hold it against them because it’s not really them. It’s A&E and these hacks bad writing and show-running inorganically derailing them for Drama™️ in their laziness to write organic character development and their big egos ruining them.

i’m watching once upon a time for the first time and:

i know i have a soft spot for shitty bad evil fuckboys about ten miles wide but the amount of people i saw very into Rumplestiltskin / Mr Gold when this show was originally airing was a lot and now i am watching the show, just passed the episode where Belle shows up, and it’s

uh

it’s so much more deeply fucked than i originally thought and i am both shocked and delighted that people were stanning so hard for this? damn! look at this overflowing Evil Feelings Monster! what an interesting backstory and tragedy to make him how he is! absolutely delightful! thank you show! damn!