#this post is probably gonna gather the antisemites in the notes so if it does... heres to a future free blocklist

[liviz223]

It's so interesting how people can acknowledge a post about how vaccinations in Gaza are a good thing and to not spread antivax rhetoric (the vaccinations are a very good thing) but cannot acknowledge anything about the hostages being kept there or about antisemitism...

Mind you, the International Red Cross hasn't visited the hostages like they would if most of the hostages weren't Jewish, released and rescued hostages have said they hadn't gotten any medication from them, and the IRC has refused to answer hostage families when questioned about it or given non-answers.

If you find yourself only acknowledging one side of this idk maybe you just can't find the humanity in the other? Maybe it's a double standard. Maybe it's dehumanization.

Ask yourself why. Reflect a little.

[vohalika]

The Clitical Discordening

So by basically shitposting vaguely into the wind, I got involved with… something. Oh boy.

What the hell is going on?

Two days ago, a blog called “defenderofcrqueers” run by an 18 year old acequeer French girl called Sofia, calling herself tired of predatory lesbians, started a series of call out posts on a BeauYasha Discord Server which, from what I have been able to gather, is actually called Clitical Hole

The blog and the posts have been deleted

The first post was reblogged 40 times by the person who made it. 40 times. I counted.

In the posts, Sofia made serious accusations of transpbobia, biphobia, and aphobia, which some of the screenshots provided corroborated

There was also a section labelled xenophobia, which contained someone saying “fuck the French”

Put a pin in that

In between that were also “general violent behavior” or “objectifying the cast/each other” and liberate usage of trigger warnings, most memorable being “tw: lesbians”

Those posts very clearly already read as people shooting the shit with each other, making fun of being called predatory lesbians, talking about their personal relationships in sometimes maybe bad phrasing or poor taste, but that’s, you know, a matter of taste

The ratio between benign stuff and serious accusations was roughly 50:50, balanced enough for it to not be clearly discernable whether it was serious or not

Again, the blog itself reblogged this 40. Times. It got maybe 100 notes total.

I found this because a friend linked it in our 4 people discord after she got it from the mod of another discord

This led me to make two posts; one just vaguely making fun of how badly you can fuck up a call out post, and another explaining to an anon what had happened.

I stand by all of the points made in there, under the assumption that this was someone trying to do what has recently been done to a Fjorester discord server and failing miserably, while the members of the server largely treated it as a joke

Parts 2 and 3 were published, too, not reblogged 40 times. They contained more of the same, with some of the usual ace discourse you see all over tumblr in it

You know, claims that aces want to be oppressed to badly, acehets aren’t lgbtq, just the usual stuff you see everywhere which made it look pretty genuine.

Members of the server in question largely considered this a joke and trolled the author of the posts on the blog.

There were hints of a 4th post coming, including racism and antisemitism. You know, things a tad bit more serious than a bunch of lesbians being horny towards each other.

After sleeping on it for another day, I made a third post. Again, everything is now deleted, but keep in mind there were serious accusations and some pretty disgusting things in the screenshots.

This post was updated after the “saviorofcrqueers” blog and everything on it was deleted

Now I’ll have you know that my 3 posts on the subject had maybe 30 notes between them, largely by the same people. That’s fewer times than the blog self-reblogged the first post!

And yet somehow my posts were screenshotted and posted by the server in question, leading to of its members to contact me to clear the air

I will stress that these members have been nothing but polite to me

After talking things over with them and asking a few choice questions I’ll get into later, a new blog, “notallwhatitseems”, which is still up at the time of writing this, reblogged my most current post, owning up to all of this having been a prank to get back at the server for insulting her home country of France

So everything about that server is fake?

Well. Mostly?

For the record, I am not a member, have never been a member, and have no interest in ever being a member. It is not my ship and the general tone is not my vibe. In fact, they are very much against my ship, out of everything the fake call out included the 52 pages of BeauJester hate are probably the least manipulated and the most real, and you know what? That’s their prerogative. As I said in my first post, back in my days, people would raid tags with hate and then get raided back. Making your own community to hate on rival ships to your community is progress here. Godspeed.

(Ship hate, of course, rarely exists in a vacuum and can feature other shit, blah. I’m talking about it in isolation here. This is seriously not the most pressing issue by a long shot.)

The general tone of what I’ve seen from the server, even when it was kinda funny sometimes, is also just, plain and simple, not my cup of tea. Very frequently in what I consider to be poor taste. And that is fine, too. I’m not here to police how anyone talks to their friends in a private space outside of, you know, actual bigotry. To quote one of the people who got in contact with me:

So the two members who got into contact with me after seeing my post on the server. Source S is more of an outsider looking in, source Y is, from what I can tell, very much involved with this and was featured in some of the screenshots.

They both, independently of each other, confirmed to me that the transphobia and biphobia weren’t real, either manipulated or taken out of context, and that there’s actually a lot of trans people on the server. They also both reported that no one knew what the alleged racism and antisemitism would have been; probably members of color or Jewish members making fun of themselves.

So. Is that legit? I’m inclined to say sure. Three people confirmed this. Until anyone else comes forward, this is as far as it goes.

Except for the aphobia.

Source S told me unprovoked that there is indeed very standard aphobia going on in that server. I asked source Y about it, here’s what she said:

However, I would be amiss not to mention that the only person in this situation who identifies as asexual has said the following:

And, like. It is probably not my place to speak over what an actual ace person thinks about this, is it?

Wait, is that?

It sure is! I figured if I was already talking to primary sources here, I could as well talk to the primary primary source. Which I will now post unabridged.

At time of writing, there has been no response to that. And that conveniently also answers the probably most pressing question:

Why are you even posting this?

Or, in the words of an anon I received this morning in Germany and also France:

Anon, I’m not gonna delete shit.

Why? Because I think this is kinda important.

As you can see in the conversation up there, it really, really rubs me the wrong way when you abuse call out posts as a prank. Like, yeah, I am aware the whole concept has been meme’d to death on tumblr anyway and really bad call out posts have a long tradition. However, you kinda gotta put this into context, don’t you?

We’ve had a discord server called out for saying vile shit in this fandom before. First of all, the willingness to even hint at (and then reblog yourself for 40 times) another discord server being similar kinds of bad, toxic, and possibly harmful is pretty callous. Like, yeah, the post got no reach and I have even less, but throwing a community you apparently care about under the bus like that is, you know, not a very nice and actually kinda callous thing to do.

And second, fake accusations of bigotry hurt everyone affected by that bigotry. Yes, even in tumblr call out post format. The comical overuse of trigger warnings, a concept that is wildly mocked and misunderstood in the first place, is already in very poor taste. Manipulating content to believably depict pretty violent transphobia? Crosses a few lines.

Like, if you’re gonna do it for a joke, stick to posting the things that made members of the server celebrate themselves in the comments as “the funniest bitches on the internet”. And maybe don’t reblog it yourself 40 times, that shows a certain kind of conviction, doesn’t it?

I’m not gonna comment any further on the motivation behind this; as I said, my brain does not compute patriotism and I find it equally likely that “Sofia” is fucking with me, as she was with everyone else. I entertained the thought of this post being fake kinda from the beginning because the identities so perfectly fit several things being called out; xenophobia against the French at the forefront, of course.

Like, the only thing that made me believe in this being a genuine but misguided attempt at a legitimate call-out was the apparently manipulated content out of context and the fact that the OP apparently believed in their own post enough to reblog it 40 times.

So what my issue is here comes down to a crying wolf kind of thing: A fear that this goes down as a great prank, and the next time someone comes forward about fucked up things going on in a fandom space, everyone has gotta wonder if the tw: lesbians insulted France again. Something that by my estimation happens about five times an hour on the internet anyway.

Everyone, call out responsibly.

  (Yes I know I am basically contributing to how this incident will be remembered here. But at least it’s, you know, full of a whole lot of context.)

(Also, Sofia has used two throwaways, so at least that’s something she’s smart about. It’s why I don’t feel too bad about not censoring her name here. I expect the “notwhatitlookslike” blog to be gone by morning. Well, maybe afternoon, it is a little late in both Germany and France.)

[mudkips-secret-blog]

ok im not gonna get super into the discourse (as in reblogging posts to argue with people, if people interact with this i’ll reply but i’m not seeking it out) but here are my thoughts on the thomas sanders thing. posting on this blog bc im worried about it causing discourse and it’s exhausting for that to be on my main where i can’t ignore it at all; if it’s on a sideblog i can ignore it until i’m mentally ready to address it. it should be noted i didn’t know much about thomas sanders before today; i’ve tried to gather as much info as possible from the tag but if i’m missing important info feel free to tell me. under a cut bc this was supposed to be short but it got Heckin Long just like EVERY POST I MAKE WHERE I ACTUALLY TRY TO SAY SOMETHING WHY AM I LIKE THIS

-regarding the nsfw art: he was not aware it was by a minor, and deleted it as soon as he was told. “he wouldn’t have done it if he hadn’t been called out” i’m pretty sure that was how he found out?? like he admitted he should have checked and apologized, but you guys are mad he didn’t do it until someone pointed it out to him??? that doesnt feel like him covering his ass it feels like he legit didn’t know until someone told him, he’s not omnipotent

-regarding antisemitism due to reblogging Hitler jokes: 1) it was 2 years ago 2) if the info i’ve seen is correct he deleted them after people had problems with them 3) I’ve seen at least one Jewish person say they didn’t think the jokes were that bad; I realize that doesn’t necessarily apply to all Jewish people, but it also shows that it’s not exactly a Huge Terrible Thing. also if it happened 2 years ago why is it only coming up now? obviously it wasn’t a big enough deal for me to hear about it until now so why is it such a big deal now? also people change over 2 years, i legit don’t think you can take something someone said 2 years ago and use it as an exact example of how they think now

-regarding being racist bc he likes hamilton: okay i’ve never heard of this in my life before today but apparently hamilton is racist because it paints slave owners in a positive light. i don’t want to speak over poc on this bc i’m white so if i’m wrong feel free to explain why to me, i really don’t want to do that, but the way i see it LMM handled it the best he could while addressing this subject? he never painted having slaves as a positive thing iirc and one of the main characters was really upfront about wanting to abolish slavery; maybe he could have made it more explicit but i don’t think he’s supporting slavery in any way? hamilton educated a lot of people who didn’t know much about the revolution on American history. a good story needs good guys and bad guys and unfortunately, if everyone who owned slaves was a bad guy in hamilton, it would be impossible to have a compelling story about the american revolution because all the main players are bad guys??? like the founding fathers did a great thing by starting America, you can’t ignore that just bc they also did shit things, they’re not great people obviously but they did some pretty amazing things that LMM wanted to talk about (also not everyone who likes hamilton has even considered the implications that these guys are slave owners so you can’t assume liking hamilton = supporting slavery)

-regarding his age: lmao why tf does that matter?? like people can interact with people where there’s a big age gap without it being creepy or malicious in any way, you’re not just confined to people within a certain age range of you i don’t understand why everyone is like “i can’t believe he’s 28 and most of his fanbase are minors” okay well why tf does it matter

-regarding the timing with his being an inclusionist: i don’t think it’s COMPLETELY about him saying he’s an inclusionist, but i do know that BOTH sides have this tendency to dig up old reasons to reject people as soon as they find out they’re not on their side, so i have a feeling some of the digging up of old posts and the hamilton thing might be about that, but i definitely don’t think it’s completely because of the inclusionist thing and people shouldn’t say it is. i think it’s just people blowing a couple incidents out of proportion because they don’t realize famous people are humans and make mistakes as well as not liking people disagreeing with them. honestly if some other famous person revealed they were an exclusionist inclusionists probably would do the same thing. not all of them ofc but a lot lets be honest here humans in general don’t like to be disagreed with

in summary, i think people are blowing this out of proportion. people seem to tend to expect famous people to be somehow more perfect and never make mistakes; newsflash! they’re human. and i think that thomas sanders has done his best to make as few mistakes as possible and when he does to apologize and fix them as best as he can, and people can’t accept that he made the mistakes in the first place. let him be a human being please, i doubt most people dissing him handle their mistakes as well as he does, i doubt most people in general do. i certainly don’t. he’s doing his best to be as unproblematic as possible but no one’s perfect so like. lay off a bit

also, if you’re one of the people asking “what did thomas sanders do?” search thomas sanders, sort by recent, you’ll have most of the info within a few minutes. that’s what i did except i searched for more than a few minutes, i wanted as much info as possible before posting about it