#this is about me searching up plural and seeing ten thousand discourse posts instead of any informational ones unless i scroll forever

[ozzyfromthecafeteria]

very frustrating when you try to search for stuff in a tag and most of the top/first appearing posts are discourse. honest to everything and everyone on earth i do Not care about discourse…

[opartnermine]

ive been poking around syscourse stuff for a bit now.

It’s… well. it’s very, very clear that these online communities are made up of traumatized people. resembles a lot of autism acceptance discourse, too.

I have to say, Reddit does a lot better in this case. I think mostly cause tumblr is so bizarrely deontological with its theories of oppression, and genuinely also just because it’s a bit harder in the UI to link stuff. probably also some differences in culture, too, but even the most vehemently exclusionary spaces ive found on Reddit regarding mental health stuff were so much less draining to spend time in because they weren’t so painfully and delusionally convinced they were right. and to be clear that goes for both sides of the situation, though anti-endos are a lot worse in that way.

Reddit sucks in a lot of ways but one cultural distinction that makes it a lot easier there is that you need sources for a claim. and the person with sources wins. and if you don’t have sources and/or a good argument, you must make it clear that you are not 100% confident about your conclusion. partly it’s just the forum format that helps with that, where you can’t hide someone else’s reply by grabbing a different reblog chain—I really do think that’s a central feature of why tumblr is so toxic in its particular way—but I think it’s also just an internet culture thing.

so like. from what I remember the general format of anti-endo sentiment was ‘yeah, ok, might be possible but y’all have something different from us and we want you to stay in your own spaces, leave us alone and we’ll leave you alone’. and maybe a bit of ‘makes us look bad’.

that view on tumblr would have you on anti-endo blocklists. to even posit the notion that there is the remotest possibility that endos aren’t faking it is utterly heretical.

and I can’t help but see that the core of it is a complete disregard for the facts of the matter. anti-endos don’t read scientific or philosophical literature, except for one unfounded theory in psychology. they don’t look into the emergent mechanisms of hebbian learning outlined in cognitive neuroscience, they don’t listen to sociologists and philosophers who’ve by and large concluded that medical gatekeeping is harmful to people with real issues.

they don’t listen to the huge number of people just like them, with diagnosed CDDs, who repeatedly beg them to stop because it was anti-endo sentiments that delayed their own search for treatment, or convinced them that they were disgusting, subhuman fakers who ought to kill themselves, or threw them deeper into denial.

instead, they hold up the regular ‘hi im not a system or anything but you guys are right about those degenerates’ asks as a banner of legitimacy while ignoring everything else. as if those words—of a person who by dint of not struggling with this would most likely not be as devoted to understanding plurality as people who do, in fact, have had to understand themselves—matter more than all the voices begging them to change, all the literature telling them how much harm they’re doing, all the research showing that they’re incorrect.

they fixate on acts of the individual, grabbing every bit of evidence they can of pro-endos violating DNIs and false tagging and so many minuscule transgressions as if they’re an ontological argument.

‘see? these people must be incorrect about cognition because they were mean to me this one time!’ it’s fucking ridiculous. and it feels like every other bigotry under the sun.

and it’s… idk. they’re just so angry all the time. it can’t feel good, right? like. im pissed off right now, and that’s why im blogging here and not posting something on my main. I am fully aware that this post doesn’t make a difference. it wouldn’t make much of a difference even if I posted it publicly and got ten thousand reblogs, because it’s all confrontational and not actually making effective arguments. but this is the only kind of anti-endo post I see. just… venting. anger. rants about screenshots of some random person being somewhat mean. and the same four thought-terminating lines.

ive seen people try to argue otherwise, and they’re just… ignored. ive literally never once seen an anti-endo respond to the substance of an argument. any time someone posts a big chain of links to scientific studies, or the DSM (or I think maybe a different psychiatric body, not remembering atm) definition explicitly laying out the possibility of non-disordered plurality, or anything in that vein it just gets ignored. i just saw someone respond to the DSM thing by literally saying ‘that doesn’t personally apply to me because i live outside their jurisdiction’ as if human cognition varies in its fundamental structure along state borders.

it’s also just a bit annoying when unhinged anti-endo rant posts with 6 reblogs show up in my fyp.

and like. I know why? it’s not that hard to see—the people getting into these arguments are probably only some of any given system’s members; there’s a real degree of emotional immaturity and delayed development that you get when you only exist some of the time, and im speaking on this from experience. and even if that’s not a thing, and im wrong about that—check this out, epistemic humility, you should try it sometime—trauma fucks you up. especially the kind of trauma that can land you a DID diagnosis. and it’s hard to be rational when you’ve got that hanging over you.

so it makes sense. im not posting this out of incomprehension—i know what’s going on. it’s just… emotionally tiring to see. I hope that these people can get their shit together and heal and move on and live a comfortable life, because I know that a person who is comfortable and satisfied doesn’t behave like this.

idk. it just feels so much like r/uncensorednews, except tumblrites are so spectacularly convinced of their own perfectly ethical nature that it’s even fucking worse. at least people on that sub were self-aware and knew that they were incredibly racist. that’s a really low fucking bar, people. get real.

anyway.