#this is a genuine question bc glancing at op's blog there's a tonne of celibacy stuff tbf
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mangled-by-disuse · 1 month ago
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#you guys are so weird and obsessed #do you understand that I'm talking about women and their FREEWILL in their sexual behaviour right?
"... And in this context, I can't possibly see how the limitations of free will (sorry, FREEWILL) for a minority of women might be a relevant topic."
buddy friendo pal a thing does not need to be a universal experience to be a relevant one. Rape and coercion affect enough women (AND men, why is it always the pro life crowd who assume reproductive rights are a Women Only Zone) to make "nobody forces you to have sex" a comically out of touch statement.
This is WHY people bring up rape, coercion, and mothers who are underage or otherwise not able to give meaningful consent. Not because we think they're the majority of reason birth control and abortion are needed, but because if any of those cases exist, then "just don't have sex then" ceases to function as an argument to reduce reproductive healthcare access. I'm not actually fighting for reproductive rights for my own hedonistic lifestyle, there's a very real chance I'm infertile and also I actually was celibate for a good number of years. My investment in reproductive rights is that birth control and abortion have always been part of society because THEY ARE NEEDED, and if they're only needed for a minority of people, so the fuck what? You need the infrastructure in place for people who have no other recourse, as well as for people who took necessary precautions but found themselves in an unpredictable situation. Even if I agreed with you that celibacy was a necessary precaution, you still need a backstop for when precautions fail.
(also may I present to you the radical notion that free will doesn't stop at the bedroom door, and people should also have the free will to use the tools at their disposal to mitigate risk. Or to provide them. you know, because free will )
Anyway, point is: I'm not obsessed with rape, you're literally the one who made an argument based on "all sex is freely entered into".
also to be clear this is not the biggest issue with your argument it's just the most obviously silly one
waiting for a politician to asssert your "bodily autonomy" "reproductive freedom" or whatever lingo those people use those days is CRAZY because literally no one forces you to have sex with anyone
You are de facto "free from sex" by your own very decision to not engage in sexual activity with anyone
What you guys actually want is "sex without reproductive consequence" access. This is a better term to objectively convey what you want.
But I get why some of you may be uncomfortable with it because it debunks the feminist ideal of being in "control" of their sexuality. Truth is many of you are not any more sexually disciplined than men. You want to have accesss to casual sex as much as they do. Just without the risk of pregnancy. That's why it's so funny to see (radical) feminist screech about how men are too sex obsessed...and then turn around begging to upkeep birth control & abortion : if you guys weren't obsessed with accessing to sex you wouldn't make those cause the crux of your movement. You love & need sex as much as those moids.
And by enabling casual you de facto allows to mediocre men fancying acess to women's body. Which somehow pisses you off because "how dare mediocre men think they deserve access to female body for sex??!" right? But you can't whine about the consequences of a cause you cherish.
And yes, more & more feminist are speaking up in favor of celibacy and more against sexual liberation, which is good. But the fact a significant portion of them still get veeeery uncomfortable if not angry when (non feminist) women argue that celibacy is actually a form of birth control and that "reproductive control" is irrelevant to the access to chemical substances or procedures altering your reproductive system. This behavior makes me believe this whole "vive la celibacy" is nothing but a posture and that self proclaimed feminist are aren't as much interested toppling the status quo as they pretend to be.
#cw: rape#cw: abortion#so like. where DO men fall into this conversation for you?#genuinely i don't know whether you're okay with condoms for instance#(also assuming cishet everything here bc it seems like you are)#like does “no sex unless you are ready to be a parent every single time” apply across gender and sex lines?#this is a genuine question bc glancing at op's blog there's a tonne of celibacy stuff tbf#but i really need you to know that in practice it has never worked like that for half of the population#cis men have ALWAYS had the option to simply fuck off#(usually and preferably at social cost but that's still a CHOICE)#anyway i love all this talk about free will but unfortunately for you it's not. like. how anything else works?#you also have free will to not get in a car accident by not driving#and yet seatbelts are mandatory and car insurance is a thing#you have free will to become an anchorite and thus avoid human-borne diseases by never talking to anyone#but access to antibiotics is still an important right#you have free will to never get on a plane but most of us would prefer that there be accommodations in place for plane crashes#most people can avoid crime by never leaving their house#yet somehow societies still want a criminal justice system#curious. i am very smart.#ALSO NOT TO DRAG OUT THE OBVIOUS POINT BUT WHAT AM I MEANT TO DO IF THE FOETUS IS HAVING A MEDICAL CRISIS#reproductive rights are important regardless but#a woman does NOT have free will to prevent an ectopic pregnancy or necrotic miscarriage or haemorrhage or other unviable pregnancies#that is not a thing where “did you go into this sex with the intent of reproduction” is relevant#a lot of people who desperately want children still need access to reproductive rights on abortion#google savita halappanavar#tell me she had free will in that situation#like you're obviously not out here to be convinced and tbh neither am i#but if you're going to argue for limitations on medical access at least argue better than this shit#it's embarrassing
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