#thinks he's embarked on his One Great Love Affair outside his marriage only to find out that his (younger ofc) girlfriend belongs to a

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Edward Woodward stars as The Man (named Frank in dialogue), a neurotic adulterer in midlife crisis, in Play for Today: Evelyn (BBC, 1971), Rhys Adrian's adaptation of his previous radio play

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Tell me your other theories on his return. I’m intrigued if you say it all fits together.

What’s you feelings on a reunion in the future? How would it happen?

Oh don’t be intrigued haha! That was really just in terms of the Luke aspect (because he has to have a bigger purpose, because otherwise his introduction and role in this storyline is such an utterly perplexing choice even for the current state of ED) and the timeframe, in that I expect Luke to have some knowledge which he’ll reveal eventually - not any time soon, because Aaron needs to spiral (and breakdown please) and he can’t even start that until he stops suppressing his feelings and distracting himself with Cain’s drama etc (all the while Vic and Luke will be progressing I imagine) - and this could help to change Robert’s sentence from murder to manslaughter, or even the original GBH with intent, and therefore shorten his sentence. So with time served, Robert could be out a fair bit sooner (how much, I don’t know) than the 14 years he was given… Which just helps me reaffirm to myself that half the reason they gave Robert the longer sentence in the first place (aside from the plot of tearing him away from Aaron obviously) is because ED are prepared to wait a few years to see if Ryan wants to return. With the potential of being able to change the charge and sentence, it means their options are relatively open for the time being to see how things develop both on and off screen. (If I’m wrong, just let me stay here please.)

I don’t have any fully-fledged theories yet, it’s a bit too soon for that! All I have at the mo are vague thoughts which aren’t that exciting… I’ve seen quite a bit of talk about “affair 2.0” but I have to admit I’m personally not interested in seeing that. Because 1) The drama and angst and intensity of the original affair just could never be emulated again, even by the very same and always amazing Ryan and Danny! 2) How would nobody pick up on it this time? 3) The whole point of everything that happened in 2017 and the creation of “Robron 2.0” was that their marriage has been built on far more solid foundations than those forged during their affair, and I would hate for all the progress they made together to be taken backwards. 4) It is madness to me that anyone could even contemplate that if Aaron is with another dude (if ahem), that he wouldn’t just drop him as quick as Alex the incompetent doc in that club. Regardless of whether he was prepared to take Robert back or not, if the love of his life has returned, I just don’t see any potential new guy sticking around. (Unless there’s a plot.) (I also say all of this in the hope that no new guy becomes serious or long-term.)

I’d like the reunion 3.0 to be dramatic and angsty, but at the same time I want it to be true to Robron and where they were in their life together before they were torn apart. I don’t know that I can really form any theories on what I expect to happen so soon after Robert’s gone (I love that he’s been gone a week and all we can all talk about is when he comes back haha), but I can offer you a vision of what I personally would quite like..? :P

So I have no clue on the timescale - I guess that depends on Ryan! :P I always thought Vic would be the natural choice (for the show, not me haha) to bring Robert home, but then @nooneelsecomesclose17’s post put the image of Jimmy greeting Robert outside that prison in my head and now I can’t unsee it (nor would I want to, it’s genius). So I’ve decided to tie that image to a long-held dream of mine…

So in this dream Aaron will have signed the divorce papers once he’s finished spiralling because we need wedding 3.0 obviously, but in his heart he still won’t have given up on being reunited with Robert some day. So I’d like him to spend much of the time Robert’s locked up doing things which remind him of Robert and help him feel closer to him - things like ripping people off, scamming them and trying to get his hands on Home Farm. Because my old dream which I think I’ve covered before (although probably just in my tags haha) was for Robron and the Kings to own Home Farm together; for it to become the hub of Home James once more, for the sheer comedy of having these two power couples and their chaotic families getting under each others’ feet, making it more relevant to the rest of the village than the house on the hill with its panto villains, and for it to actually become a home. So in terms of this new dream, I would have Aaron and Jimmy team up on this endeavour - and they’re actually the only ones left from that original portacabin quartet! So Aaron because he needs a goal and a focus and if it’s one in which he feels more connected to Robert then even better, and Jimmy because Nicola is always going to be up for improving their lot. I also quite like the idea of Aaron being able to do what Robert never could, and I have no idea who will be at Home Farm x amount of years down the line but if it was still the Tates (although could we at least get rid of Kim + co. and bring back Joe instead?) then I would be delighted to see the Kings take it all from them once more! :P

So I would have Aaron and Jimmy very close to achieving their goal by the time Robert is about to be released. And because Robert still hasn’t had any contact with his family and is nervous about how they’ll feel towards him, who does he contact? Jimmy! And Jimmy of course is a great oaf and would immediately let it slip to Aaron. And regardless of what’s passed, I think Aaron would have some understanding and empathy of how daunting and overwhelming it would be for Robert to return to the village after so long of complete isolation, from the world and from the people who are his world… So he and Jimmy would hatch a plan…

Cue Jimmy driving Robert back to the village, chewing his ear off or “pecking his head”, when they suddenly happen to “break down” in the lay-by… Robert would get out of the car to get away from Jimmy’s incessant talking and because it’s obviously a small confined space, but then he would realise where they actually were and become overwhelmed by that too - and since this is my dream world, they would treat us to another little montage of memories to come full circle from that too! :P Meanwhile, Jimmy would be “phoning for a mechanic” before joining Robert outside because he might be an oaf, but he cares… And then much quicker than it should be, Aaron of course turns up. So then he would step out of the car and we would get the delightful combination of intense Robron eye contact and a very obviously awkward Jimmy… And because it’s still my favourite thing, I would like a wordless embrace with alllll the emotions similar to when Aaron was released. At which point Jimmy would clumsily make himself scarce and drive off (in the vehicle which very obviously had not broken down, bless).

So then we’d be left with an awkward, tense Robron because neither of them know what happens next, only how good it feels to be even breathing the same air again… Perhaps at this stage Aaron would be in some kind of relationship (because he tried to convince himself he had to “move on” and because I might be able to accept it for a few weeks if I have the guarantee that Robert’s on his way home already :P), so we’d obviously get a conversation with a lot of callbacks and then Aaron would just dump that chestnut in there and we’d get something along the lines of; R: So why are you still here? A: You know. [But Robert doesn’t respond. Unsure of what Aaron is saying, he waits.] A: Because I love you, that’s why. I never stopped. And they can both be emotional, not knowing the next step, so Aaron could fill the silence with some quip about also needing to give Robert a lift home now Jimmy’s gone which Rob, bless him, wouldn’t even have noticed. And then Robert and I would both be left pondering what exactly Aaron means by “home”. But on the journey home, Robert will find his watch in the car (yeah, I’m really going with that old theme and sentiment of the cars here!)…

Beyond that I would have Aaron finish with this new dude and then for him to have a proper conversation with Robert about where they stand, once Robert’s started adjusting to the outside world again. And in this conversation we’d see that they’ve both been hardened by everything that’s happened since Robert went away, that Robert in particular has some issues he needs to work through before they even contemplate what the future might look like for them, but I’d want Aaron to tell Robert that line “I’ll wait for you. ‘Til you’re ready.“  And then I’d like them to embark on friendship…3.0?…with Aaron being supportive to Robert and helping him through the process of adjusting back into normality after x years of total isolation on that island. (The phrase "no man is an island” would definitely come into play with all of this, especially with Robert having cut all lines of communication.) And gradually they’d grow closer, and I’d be reliving the good old days of “It’s going to happen soon! It has to happen soon!” :P Meanwhile, Aaron and Jimmy would have one last big job to do to have the means to get Home Farm and naturally Aaron would have told Robert all about the scheme. So Robert would want in on this last stretch but Aaron would put his foot down, reminding Robert that if it all went wrong he’d end up back inside. But if Aaron’s getting mixed up with dodgy people and risking his life, there is absolutely no way Robert is going to listen to that of course. So he gets involved and the two of them help Jimmy escape before they themselves get stuck in some life-and-death situation and acknowledge that they absolutely cannot live without each other ever again. They both live, the dodgy people either get carted off to jail or die by their own ends (I have no specifics on the deadly situation, you know), and we get settled for wedding 3.0 and years more of Robron…

This is a ramble which serves absolutely no purpose except to distract me from the current Robert-less situation, so if you actually committed to reading all of this, I’m sorry haha!

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Rider on the storm

“Get out there! Take a chance! That’s what the ‘60s were--the cutting edge! Ride the snake! Now! Now ! Remember that? Go to the limits! Challenge authority! Challenge your parents! See for yourself! Get in touch with your senses!”

That fusillade is being delivered by arguably Hollywood’s most successful protester. Yale dropout, drug-taking, decorated Vietnam vet turned auteur, Stone has delivered take after take on the ‘60s and their children--"Salvador,” “Platoon,” “Wall Street,” “Talk Radio,” “Born on the Fourth of July"--coming at his theme every which way. Drugs! War! Money! Politics! Stone has made movies to exorcise his and his generation’s demons, annoying the industry with his excesses, filmic and personal, earning a round of grudging respect for ballyhooing a 20-year-old Zeitgeist all the way to the bank. He is even a producer these days, taking home a nice percentage of the gross. The Outsider has become Establishment. Hey, Oliver, what’s that sound, everything going round and round? [...]

“Success?” asks the director, slightly startled. “That didn’t become popular as a concept until the ‘70s. Yeah, I have much more freedom to make the subjects that I want, but I don’t see myself as Darryl Zanuck. I would feel bad if I got indulgent. All good films come from people with an independent spirit, those who push. But the power of perception in the world is such that fringe ideas, when they are accepted, become mainstream--that because of their success they become a cliche.

“ ‘Platoon’ was a major innovation in our perception of what that war was. I thought ‘Born’ was a fairly radical statement; it took 10 years to make that picture--everybody passed on it. Once it was made and got eight Oscar nominations, it became a successful Hollywood movie. If it had not been successful, it would have been considered an outlaw film. Now, with the Kennedy film--why haven’t they made that already? Because people were fearful that it was uncommercial. I hope I was destined to make that picture.” [...]

As is well known, Stone made his mark as a movie maker five years ago when he turned his own life into film--"Platoon,” the 1986 Oscar-winning Vietnam War film that chronicled the director’s 1967-68 tour of duty. The movie won Best Picture and Best Director and grossed more than $160 million. Stone has made similar connections in his other less overtly biographical films. James Woods in “Salvador,” Charlie Sheen in “Wall Street,” Eric Bogosian in “Talk Radio,” Tom Cruise in “Born on the Fourth of July,” all played characters close to the director’s “male, Type-A personality,” says Bogosian. “Oliver makes movies about men under pressure.” [...]

It is a marriage of opposites that also fits Stone, who is described by those who know him as intense, passionate and smart, a prodigious director and writer whose early reputation for womanizing and drug taking never hindered an equally relentless work ethic. “He has the curiosity of a child and an incredible drive,” says Kenneth Lipper, an investment banker, author and consultant on “Wall Street.” “Oliver uses his films as an excuse to search out the facts--the truth--of a situation.”

Others who have worked for him say Stone is a masterful taskmaster who will manipulate, taunt and pressure cast and crew into sharing his commitment to the subject at hand. “He likes to do a lot of sparring to challenge you,” says actor Willem Dafoe, who starred in “Platoon” and “Born on the Fourth of July.” Adds Bogosian: “He expects you to be a self-starter and thick-skinned when it comes to criticism. And if he senses you can’t take it, he will move away from you fast. Being on a set with him can be very punishing. But at the end of the day, everyone wants to be around him.” Kyle MacLachlan, an actor best known as FBI man Dale Cooper in television’s “Twin Peaks,” who co-stars in “The Doors,” says simply, “I miss working with Oliver.” [...]

Shying away from risks is the ultimate sin with Stone, the only child of a privileged Manhattan couple, a stockbroker father and socialite mother. Stone wore a coat and tie every day to prep school, wrote weekly essays for his father--who paid him 25 cents each--and embarked on his well-documented fall from grace as soon as he was able. Says one old friend: “Oliver grew up with a lot of contradictions in his life--Jewish father, French Roman Catholic mother who was this semi-Regine-type character. Oliver led this sort of Eurotrash jet-setter’s life--even after his parents were divorced--where nothing was normal.”

“My mother was never in bed before 3 in the morning,” Stone recalls. “She used to take me to France in the summers, and she was a great fan of movies, took me out of school to go to double and triple features. She was this kind of Auntie Mame person. ‘Evita’ would have been my homage to her.”

His parents’ divorce when he was 16 years old, Stone says, “was like parting the curtains of a stage play and seeing what was really there. I found out about a whole lot of things--affairs--I had been blind to. After that, I felt I was really on my own.”

The divorce also coincided with a larger rupture--Kennedy’s assassination in 1963, the de facto starting gun of the ‘60s. “I had no faith in my parents’ generation after that,” Stone says. “By 1965, I was in Vietnam"--first as a teacher and a merchant marine, later as an Army enlistee.

He briefly attended Yale University, his father’s alma mater, which he says he “hated, especially since it was before women were admitted.” Stone dropped out and headed for Vietnam.

He was wounded twice and earned a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart in a tour of duty that was later chronicled in “Platoon.” “He was never a regular GI Joe,” recalls Crutcher Patterson, a former member of Stone’s platoon. “He was pretty green, a loner and moody, always writing things. Whenever we got a break, he would stop and write a little descriptive story about it.” [...]

Stone hasn’t lost his concern for current events: “I’m praying for our soldiers, who are making the ultimate sacrifice in the Gulf War, but I don’t think Bush ever intended to negotiate. There was a military-industrial complex that pushed us into this.” Friends add that the director’s only real interest these days, in addition to making films, “is trying to set up other films.”

Have Stone’s demons finally gone AWOL? “I didn’t say I didn’t miss my old life,” he says with a half-smile. “I love the concept of suburbia, but I also love going to New York and Europe and Asia, meeting new people. My wife and I are different that way. I have a restlessness that never stops.” [...]

Stone does seem to be a man with his eye fixed perpetually over his shoulder, one who keeps a daily diary and who describes the art of filmmaking as giving vent to “that other person that is in you. The shadow self, the one that is always walking behind you. The real you, the deeper you.

“I’m not going to say I’m a lone soul here, wandering through my own soundtrack,” he says. “I enjoy the community of people who love movies. And I like using the power that I have to make things happen. But will I be doing this forever? Maybe I’ll be working in Eritrea or the Sudan, or maybe I’ll become a journalist for Rolling Stone.”

Stone has spent several hours over lunch, repeatedly waving off his crew, but now his impatience is tangible. “I still don’t like the answer I gave you about the ‘60s, how this film relates to this current generation. I felt stupid. I was doing a lot of ‘ums’ and ‘ahs,’ ” he says, suddenly obsessed with his image.

“I don’t want to believe in generation conflict, but it’s there. I feel distant from my own generation, out of step with the people my age who went to college. I always identified more with the Charlie Sheen generation, that younger group who came up, because it gave me new life. I was able to act out my own history through them, skip a generation and go back to it again. Believe me, that’s exciting, and I’m grateful for that chance because our tribal rituals are the same. It doesn’t have to be Jim Morrison or Vietnam; it’s about going out there and finding yourself.”

-Hilary De Vries, “RIDER ON THE STORM : With ‘The Doors,’ Director Oliver Stone Exhumes the ‘60s in All Their Lurid Excess,” Los Angeles Times, Feb 24 1991 [x]

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Pluto Conjunct Venus - The Power of Love

Pluto/Venus is one of my favorite conjunctions, maybe because I know it so well. Pluto/Venus is visiting everyone the last week in January to the second week in February 2014.

I love the story of Venus and Pluto. It is the love story of Persephone and Hades. Persephone had a very over-powering mother so she would run free in the mountains and fields where no one could find her. It was there Hades saw her and fell in love with her at first sight. He loved everything about her: her smile, sweetness, charm, beauty and social grace. She was not afraid of him, as she had been told to be, which crushed him because in order to control her he needed her to fear him. She was intrigued by him instead. So he kidnapped her taking her down with him to the underworld. However, Persephone wanted to be taken away with Hades. Even when Hermes came to rescue her from the underworld, she sat there eating six pomegranates so she would not have to return to the earth. She liked it down there with him and no one could change her mind. Finally, an agreement was made with Zeus in which he allowed her to return to earth in the spring for six months and then go back to be with her husband Hades Lord of the Underworld for the other six months. They were said, to have a happy marriage.

We might wonder what she loved about the darkness of Hades. Well, the story would have us believe it was never anybody’s business, and that it was their private world and theirs alone. One in which she never talked about but obviously brought her great joy. So there you have it Pluto conjunct Venus. A dark, passionate, world of love, that is always behind closed doors.

Their bond is deep and their story somewhat mysterious. However, no matter how dark it was, it was true love. And all consuming, can’t live without you, real love.

I dated a guy and his Pluto sat on my Venus. I remember the minute I met him. He was tall, dark, beautiful and mysterious and his eyes locked with mine and down I went into a heavy spell and I never remember coming up for air again. He was dark and good all at the same time. He had a healing quality about him that seemed to transform me, and indeed that is what he did.

Pluto has no manners and he is sorry about that, but all he wants to do is to take Venus and transform her. He wants to make her a whole new being and does. However, it’s not gentle. It’s painful, obsessive, cruel, and very manipulating at times. Venus learns his wicked ways and becomes enmeshed in this energy and it brings out even in her a mean, manipulative, and jealous side. They go back and forth with this energy trying so hard to break this painful pattern they have together. But around and around they go. They both become addicted to each other and when someone comes in to break their unhealthy bond they grasp on even tighter just like Persephone did. Well, even lovely Venus can turn into the Devil when you try to take her Dark Pluto Knight away from her. And revenge seems to be the only plot to play out; but remember,”before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.” (Confucius) There are better ways to transform, and before you start spewing all your dark side everywhere, which you will do when you Venus meets Pluto. Remember this, Pluto cannot live without you. He needs you. Your bond is more powerful than anything he will ever know. Oh yes, Venus conjunct Saturn brings the house and stability and some people live in that world which is another story. But when Pluto finds his Venus princess, he will not let you go. You are trapped and imprisoned in his love. Yes, you are bonded for life.

Just when you think there is only darkness between you two left and the rage and control has broken both of you beyond repair and this intense relationship has damaged your souls, this is not end, it’s just the beginning of transformation. So Venus does what Pluto wants and transforms. He wants you to be a better person in every sense of the way. Pluto is the garbage man and he is cleaning house. When he conjuncts with Venus he takes all he garbage out, and she is left lovelier and deeper than ever before. People will not recognize you anymore because you have just gone through a Venus/Pluto relationship. And aren’t you lucky to have had this, because isn’t the point to life to transform and become a better person.

The modern version is “Beauty and the Beast.” What does Beauty love so much about the beast? He protects her, and would do anything for her. He would die literally without her. As the Disney’s version has it, when she goes back to tell her Beast she loves him, he turns into a prince. And Venus saves Pluto right back and transforms him in ways in which he is so grateful.

Yes, Pluto wants to be your prince, but he has none of your charm or wit, or manners. He is controlling, manipulative, arrogant and somewhat crptic in his ways. He can be mean in the way he is trying to change you, but he simply wants to be loved just like you. However with Venus and Pluto it’s sometimes a black hole and there is never enough love. They both think there will never be enough. They often end up sucking each other dry. But there is more than enough love, and in their darkness and abuse it’s hard to see the light and love, so they get stuck in an abusive pattern that they can’t seem to get out of. “Eventually the soul recognizes the pattern and wants to change it. With Pluto-Venus interaspect, it’s vital to get some space and independence into the relationship. The challenge is to develop trust and independence so when this is achieved the love becomes alchemical or tantric in its ability to transform the old pattern into new energy for the relationship. Such a contract is incredibly powerful and transmute karma and open up the possibility of a totally satisfying relationship on all levels.” (Judy Hal)

Pluto/Venus love is deep beyond measure and goes beyond time and space. You will never feel so wanted, so devoured by your lover. So needed, it will take over you, your souls will belong to each other forever in time.

We will see this transit for the next few weeks so we might see more rapes, domestic violence, killings in the name of love and secret affairs. Perhaps, bad news is always around the corner if we look for it. However, I would like to think of this time as when I met my dark tall Pluto knight and when you will meet yours. Or Pluto will meet his princess. You will feel like the only two people in the room, your eyes will meet and you will be under a very powerful spell and down you will go and you will never come home the same.

It’s a powerful, intense, volcanic love when you are together and the passion is like something you have only read about. Pluto has more power than you know. It could light a city or nation. It’s dark they say, well who is they? Pluto is so misunderstood and complicated we cannot even call it a planet anymore. No its energy is far greater than we will ever grasp. Pluto will transform you so do not be afraid of him in the darkness; he turns you into light and spring. He will heal you and every cell in your being will change. So what is so dark about that? It remakes our souls. Changes our life and makes us a better person from the inside out. Venus is Pluto’s “light” angel and if he could carry it around all day in his pocket he would. Behind closed doors, the passion and the tantric sex is unreal—-God like. You are his Goddess and he is your God. In the highest form your bond and lovemaking is a spiritual union. And remember Persephone and Hades’ private world has never been told because it’s sacred and private. You could sit for eight hours having coffee with the girls or guys and try to explain it. Don’t even try. It’s your and yours alone and other relationships will seem pail in comparison to a Pluto/Venus relationship. No one will understand unless they, too, have gone through this.

Will Pluto marry you? Maybe, after all Hades did marry Persephone as she was the love of his life. If he does not, he is still something great to be tucked away in your heart. He showed you deep earth-shattering love and transformed your soul and that is worth every penny. He will never leave you. This I promise. Somewhere in the wings he is always going to be there. Once he finds his Venus he will never let you go, and he will hold you so close to his heart no one else will ever get in. Hopefully, you are lucky and have some Satan around to stain this love, because it’s heart breaking to let it go. Mr. Biggs and Carrie from the beloved Sex In the City. had a very Pluto/Venus relationship from the very start, and in end they got married and lived happily ever after. No matter how mean and horrible he was, Carrie loved him and he loved her and they changed each other for the better. Mr. Biggs helped Carrie become a beautiful woman with his passion and devotion and she helped him find peace in his world.

Sometimes Pluto/Venus are not lovers. Like Red Reddington and Agent Elizabeth Keen. Reddington is dark, arrogant, and can out smart everyone in the room. Keen is pretty, sweet, and somewhat innocent to the darkness around her. However, Red would do anything to protect her, and he always answers her calls and rescues her at moment’s notice. They too like Hades and Persephone have long talks in private that no one would understand on the outside. These talks are real and sweet and like Persephone— Lizzy is happy and safe somehow in his dark presence, and we don’t question or try to understand their bond. Clearly here we can see whether Red is good or bad, his intentions towards Lizzy are always for her best interest. He wants her to be the best she can be, and he is remaking her to be lighter. Ironic that someone dark can change someone to light. This is Pluto/Venus at its best. In Red’s dark world in which he lives, all he shows for Lizzy is love. This is a good example of the “beast” having this gentle soft side with his Venus princess.

The movie, “Secretary” is a perfect movie to watch because explains the Pluto/Venus connections exquisitely. James Spader’s character, Mr. Gray, is dark, controlling and does not have many redeeming qualities. With his secretary, Lee, he wants to transform this odd, scared little girl into a brave, sexy and confident woman. He tells her something at the beginning of their relationship which changes her life. He says, “I’m going to tell you something Lee, you will never ever cut yourself again. Do you understand? Have I made that perfectly clear? You are over that now. It’s in the past.” As mean as Mr. Gray was to most people, to Lee he only wanted her to heal and be stronger. She falls madly in love with him and during that same time she finds herself. Behind closed doors they have connections that many people would not understand. Lee lets him know that even though he’s wounded, she understand him and will always love him.

So my advice is: keep it private. If you don’t you might get very hurt, but I won’t write about that now. Unless you are in a Pluto/Venus relationship no one will ever get it or understand the Pluto -Venus conjunction. I mean do you really understand it? Then how can anyone else.

So these next few weeks what will Venus/Pluto bring you? Well transformation and truth hopefully. You may feel the need to manipulate your lovers into loving you more, and giving you more of what you want. However, just ask because Pluto/Venus wants to transform all the darkness and pain in your life into something beautiful. In the next few weeks we will be forced to face our deepest feelings of self worth and our lovability. Your relationships may feel emotionally intense and an all or nothing attitude will take over you. But Jupiter is in the picture to help this time making you take a deep breath and heal all these love wounds. The truth will come out and real love will win in the next few weeks. And even if it’s behind closed doors, well just like, Persephone and Hades, Reddington and Keen, that is exactly where Pluto/Venus relationships are supposed to be. And if we keep them there, a world in which no one writes about awaits you.