#thinking about that poor little dude in superhell rn

[xx-vergil-xx]

[with the cadence of matt berry's delivery of 'father' in the it crowd] VERGILLLLL i miss hounds so much but classes and life are kicking me into the gutter so it goes so it goes etc but i'm going to catch up when i have time. also....enochian? 👀 i cannot think of it without thinking of cas which means i can't think of it without crying wonderful timely collision with the recent anniversary of november 5th.

fun fact i used to bookbind in 2020 and geez it is expensive but if i ever pick it up again....might i have permission to bind hounds? i'm picturing a lovely starry cover...... ohhhh imagine all the moon stars & sun motifs i could fit into it.... i could try gilded edges..... all the typesetting i could do.... akjsdfjh rambling here but i love typesetting so much dafont dot com my beloved. not to mention the ANNOTATIONS.

anyways very glad that i could pop by!

my good time boy, my sweet cheese, my rotten solider, hello <3 I wish you strength and fortitude and winds at your back in these trying times, may you make it through the Mad Rush that is October And November and further may you roundhouse kick life/classes in their stupid teeth

oh homie I went Hard In The Paint with the enochian I hope u enjoy (when time allows ofc stay strong soldier)

while I was not a full supernatural girlie I did actively read destiel fic because so much of it was (and is!) so fucking good?? like??? god there's one I'm thinking of that I can't remember the name of but it's like. dean buys this house and he's with cas but cas doesn't speak and like. eventually it's revealed that cas is dead?? like dean was just projecting him?? I think that was it I remember vividly a front porch scene and the texture of an old house peeling wallpaper creaky floors and this horribly good sadness. anyway that shit hit.

like what was it with 2000's/2010's shows creating these insanely compelling devotional-love-in-extremis arcs between their main leads and then. adamantly denying the subtext (or even just. text.) existed. "no they were just bros" oh excuse me well "I gripped you tight and raised you from perdition" says otherwise!! "when castiel first laid a hand on you in hell he was lost" says otherwise!! "we're family. we need you. I need you" says fucking otherwise!!! (this comment is also about house md because. those two assholes were in love like I'm sorry it's literally unavoidable like. like. yeah.) anyway happy belated nov. 5th <3

YOU. YOU HAVE MY FULL PERMISSION. HNKH. STARRY COVER?? SUN MOON MOTIFS?? GILDED EDGES?? SEXY TYPESETTING?? you have my full and utter permission and pls send pictures if u do end up binding it!! (and no pressure ofc ofc! if u feel like it if time allows etc etc etc). (also dafont.com my love my light I do graphic design work w one of my clubs at school and me and dafont are homies, perhaps lovers even) (also also just. the thought. of my work. being annotated. in tears. shambles even. holy lord. no greater gift. no greater honor. yeah. thank you even for the thought!!)

good to see you and godspeed my friend!! <3 <3 <3

[purgetrooperfox]

Disco elysium! I've never played the game but I'm getting it via osmosis of your posts!

[fandom game] sksnddbfjd DE is rotting my brain all over again sorry about the sudden onslaught!!!

blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most): right now? Jean is taking up the most real estate in my brain. historically? Kim Kitsuragi is my bestest friend

scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped): I honestly don't know that anyone in DE fits this definition of scrunkly. Harry's the closest I can get in that sometimes I want to crush him with my bare hands but not because he's cute, and he is my baby in that I have to teach him how the world works all the way down to the concept of money, and he is very shaped

scrimblo bimblo (underrated/underappreciated fave): Titus Hardie is near and dear to me. I'm a full-on apologist. dude did nothing wrong if you ignore his various crimes. Mañana as well, I just think he's neat

glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about it for a week): SOONA. soona my absolute beloved. I'm replaying the game rn and just got back to her and aughhhhh pointing at the screen like that's my wife <3 I'm also very fond of Tommy l'Homme for his rhymes and soul

poor little meow meow (“problematic”/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave): I knowwwwww she's corporate but I am fond of Joyce :/ she's not pathetic but like. loved her lessons in basic reality, loved her general attitude, loved her use of "baby" and "the eels hips". I'm also just not immune to older women

horse plinko (character I would torment for fun, for whatever reason): also Jean sorry babe. he's already so tormented, love to exacerbate an existing problem 😌

eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell): mmmm probably Charles Villedrouin. coalition bitch. or Gary. or Racist Lorry Driver

[gretahayes]

Ask game, dc comics (duh >:))

blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most)

Tim Drake! It's...pretty obvious lmao but it's between him and Dick. My favorite little guys :)

scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped)

BART!!!! HE'S SUCH A GUY!!! I'M INSANE ABOUT HIM

scrimblo bimblo (underrated/underappreciated fave)

Most definitely Duke, I learnt more about his origins lately and he's such a tragic character??? Like prime angst potential right there, he's such a troublemaker but so authentic and kind all the same. Or CASS I LOVE HER AND HER EVERYTHING and I know I don't really talk about her all that much here but she means so so much to me

glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about it for a week)

Donna or Kory or Cassie I LOVE them I love women so so much I'll never shut up about them

poor little meow meow (“problematic”/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave)

Damian!! He's such a little guy....such a sad little dude...he'll always be a preteen to me but what DC is doing with him rn is so fascinating...he's a wet cat I blame it on his genes (Talia and Bruce)

horse plinko (character I would torment for fun, for whatever reason)

Kon like idc he already goes through so much I love him and want to dissect him like an insect

eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell)

/srs probably the Joker but /j definitely Jason I feel like he'd appreciate meeting the devil since he went to the Good Place when he died

(ask game)

[bluejayblueskies]

tma for the ask prompt 👀👀 (it's oak btw!)

send me a fandom!

blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most)

jon beloved 💕💕💕 he's my blorbo of All Time and i love him dearly

scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped)

can i answer jon again??

i think s1 tim fits this spot pretty solidly in my heart 💛 he's just a happy dude doing paperwork and committing crimes 🥰

scrimblo bimblo (underrated/underappreciated fave)

hmmm this one is hard .... maaaaybe daisy? idk if she's underappreciated but i love the complexity and nuances of her and jon's relationship in s4 and the way in which her and jon's experiences with monsterhood reflect one another

glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about it for a week)

danny!! despite the fact that we know approximately three things about him, one of which being how he died (;___;), i love the stoker brothers and i love to make danny!lives aus where he and tim are happy ... as a treat 💕

poor little meow meow (“problematic”/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave)

peter lukas tbh ... i just think he's such an enjoyable villain character! i like tma's brand of 'smiles cheerily while committing crimes' villain, and there's something about peter's lines that resonates with me

horse plinko (character I would torment for fun, for whatever reason)

i do enjoy putting jon through the wringer and then giving him 10000 hugs/validation of his trauma/literally any form of comfort whatsoever. if that counts as 'tormenting for fun' lol

eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell)

jonah magnus ... i'm relistening rn and every time he opens his mouth i'm like 😠😠🔪🔪

[mdverse]

I'll let somebody else ask for Glee game since I happen to know some other fandoms and they might not lol

ATLA/LOK, Riordanverse, Harry Potter

3 fandoms in 1, huh? i'll preface this by saying i haven't read anything from the riordanverse in years lol

ATLA (i don't remember enough about LOK to include it here)

blorbo: i think it's toph? it's usually either toph or uncle iroh. i'm leaning towards toph rn

scrunkly: aang :) the sweetest boy :)

scrimblo bimblo: ty lee? is she underrated? i like her a lot

glup shitto: the cabbage vendor lmao poor dude can't catch a break

poor little meow meow: azula! tbh she's also a solid contender for blorbo bc i find her so interesting

horse plinko: i'm kinda blanking on people here... i wanna say someone like zhao? or like,,, affectionately bullying sokka idk

eeby deeby: ozai akskdfj he can go fuck himself

Riordanverse

blorbo: percy <3 possibly one of my earliest blorbos and i didn't know it at the time

scrunkly: i guess nico or hazel?

scrimblo bimblo: frank zhang! he's so cool and sweet you'd think people would like him more

glup shitto: thalia! we don't get enough thalia content

poor little meow meow: honestly from what i remember, luke was super compelling? in a "love to hate him" way i guess

horse plinko: literally any of the gods but particularly zeus

eeby deeby: also zeus. technically (almost?) impossible to do but i wish i could

HP

blorbo: i can't say i think about the hp characters very often but i really love luna

scrunkly: dobby?

scrimblo bimblo: neville :) sweetheart

glup shitto: fawkes. i think he's cool

poor little meow meow: bellatrix lestrange but specifically the movie version thanks to helena bonham carter

horse plinko: snape

eeby deeby: jkr.... not a character in any way but like... superhell for her..... like if i had to pick an actual character it would be umbridge or sth but ugh

[terrytheboxwithlimbs]

heyy i wanna know about it for the fandom ask ofc!

also, i‘m not sure if you‘re that big of a newsies fan, but i think newsies would be fun as well, if you‘re interested

(sorry I just saw this rn ☺️)

IT

blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most): Stanley Uris 100%, he occupies my brain space most of the time, I also hc him as having issues with suicidal thoughts and self harm and we all know he’s autistic so… I dunno I just really relate to him

scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped): Richie Tozier or Eddie Kasprak, Eddie is a baby and needs to be protected (tho he can def defend himself, angry child) and Richie is just so shaped

scrimblo bimblo (underrated/under appreciated fave): Mike Hanlon or Ben Hanscom, love them both very much they deserve the world

glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about for a week): Bill’s hamster, love them

poor little meow meow (problematic/unpopular/controversial or otherwise pathetic fave): uhh all the problematic characters in IT really, really fucking suck… I guess FANON Connor Bowers cause they write him nicer and just repressed not purposely homophobic

horse plinko (character I torture for fun): Stanley Uris cause I always hc him as suffering from severe mental turmoil (like me lmao) and I also like to torture Richie sometimes

eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell): Any of the adults in Derry (except for Maggie and Went, of course, love them❤️) or the Bowers Gang - yes, I know they are just teenagers but they are also just fictional teenagers and I’d probably be more sympathetic if they actually existed

Newsies:

blorbo: Crutchie, I love him so much! A disabled king, all around baby.

scrunkly: Davey, he’s great, autistic, and So Shaped

scrimblo bimblo: not really underrated but Racer or Specs

glup shitto: also not that under appreciated but Les

poor little meow meow: uhhh I really like the one dude who works at the World who says that Teddy Roosevelt isn’t a communist

horse plinko: Davey, I like writing him yearning while Jack dates Katherine (sorry Davey)

[loveinlilies]

Okay you kno I had to send you a3 for that ask meme 👀

Giving u da biggest hand kisses rn bestie (unironically ty I am. Cryinf after ur response to my ask I AM A YUKI ENTHUSIAST UEUE)

blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most): Sakuya, Kazu and Yuki!

scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped): Misumi and Tsuzuru like I. Literally go insane and get the meanies I would hug them n squish their cheeks while violently kissing their foreheads.

scrimblo bimblo (underrated/underappreciated fave): Muku and Kumon!! They're so vital to people continuing on their journey (Juza, Yuki, CITRON, Kazunari, etcetera)

glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about it for a week): OK but unironically the teachers in this game are some of the real mvps. Kazu and Itaru's teachers made such a profound impact that changed their outlook on so many things I start crying when I think about it. In this essay I will-

poor little meow meow (“problematic”/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave): I unironically love Banri in a 'he understands things to a heightened degree' way and also because of his depth. Lots of symbolism n connections to him being in autumn troupe too so, just love him <:)

horse plinko (character I would torment for fun, for whatever reason): Tortures Chikage with love because he deserves it and I want him to heal because we're a bit too similar.

eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell): Yuzo and Misumi's dad. Sorry dude but like your daughter deserved way better than no communication that's just. Negative standard. AND WE do not send kids back to neglecting and abusive parents I get so heated over this

[emetkoto]

for the blorbo/scrunkly/etc ask meme: pick either ffxiv, 5Ds, or arc-v >:)

WHY DO I HAVE TO CHOOSE AUGH.....ok...ffxiv it is :) with pics bc i want to show off my funny little faves

blorbo: Emet-Selch.....every waking moment of my life i live breathe die sleep for him i need serious mental help but also look at him hehe he makes me feel so many emotions i havent felt since bruno and and nadn andnand andnnadndddd[THIS RESPONSE HAS BEEN CUT SHORT BY THE SCP FOUNDATION]

scrunkly: Gotta be Khloe the WT journal girl...shes so fucking tiny dude i LOVE the little baby miqote and their huge ears and stubby tails AUGH just look at her ok

scrimblo bimblo: Say what you will about Gosetsu but he is single handedly carrying me through my replay of SB so far he is the fucking roe ever I love that silly samurai man also this is one of the top ten cutscenes ever..also a huge Urianger love moment bc he just,,,,took him in and fed him AUGH but this isnt about him rn unfortunately

glup shitto: The blacksmith guildmaster specifically on K'otos playthrough because the way he keeps complimenting the strength of his smithing arm comes across extremely gay like sir. do you wanna be bent over an anvil bc K'oto will do that for you! ignore the screenshot from adem i dont have any from K'oto

poor little meow meow: I'll avoid saying Emet-Selch again as much as I want to and go for Fandaniel :) I just think hes neat, love that little clown <3 please enjoy the worst line in Endwalker

horse plinko: Alphinaud I love him like a little brother and the rules of having a little brother say I have to bully him lovingly just a little <3 me and Alisaie would get along very well in this regard but no matter what I love my little boy even if he did one time have a private militia at age 16 :)

eeby deeby: Asahi but unfortunately he already sent himself to superhell :/ if i could drag him out of oblivion and send him right back with my own two hands I would so fast. This is, however, the funniest shit I've ever seen. fuck it up gay boy send that homophobic clown to hell!!!!

[guileheroine]

for the fandom ask thing, arcane! (if someone's already sent that, do atla if you'd like!)

blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most): genuinely here for everyone but def vi & jinx rn, my head is like the netflix series title card the record spinning w the two of them

scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped): scrunkly feels like the correct vibe for the scourge wracking me that makes me save gifs of vi in my drafts to rewatch daily. (heimerdinger if we’re talking cuteness strictly tho) 

scrimblo bimblo (underrated/underappreciated fave): mel, i think she’s way more faceted than i was led to believe

glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about it for a week): ekko! where is he, bring him to mee 

poor little meow meow (“problematic”/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave): jayce :3

horse plinko (character I would torment for fun, for whatever reason): gonna say jayce again lol. i like to see him try things, fail things  

eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell): the slimy blond dude on the council, idk his name 

send me a fandom

[bessies-girl]

Tumblr word ask - all of them for doctor who? (Or 70s who specifically, if you get multiple asks for doctor who)

Thank you so much for the ask! I'm gonna do mostly 70s Who for now :)

blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most): my boy the brigadier :) (and the doctor but yeah mostly the brig rn)

scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped): sergeant benton my beloved. he's so sweet and kind and funny and he's very calm while also seeming like he's a liiiittle unsure wtf is happening (which is understandable given UNIT's line of work

scrimblo bimblo (underrated/underappreciated fave): liz shaw. she's such a badass and smart and knows her worth but she's also gentle and compassionate and it's really unfortunate that she only got one season

glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about it for a week): that guy that played the welsh coal miner and a miner on peladon and he had terrible luck but he was very sweet as both characters.

poor little meow meow (“problematic”/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave): the master. partially because i just love to call him a poor little meow meow, but ya know...the shoe fits.

horse plinko (character I would torment for fun, for whatever reason): based on my fics, this would probably be the brig lmao i put that dude through so much to get them hurt/comfort dopamine hits

eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell): ugh all those 'advisors' on peladon who look the same and groom the king and queen from birth those dudes make me so mad.

[deerteatime]

For the ask game: the egos (obviously jsjhglkfs) and uhhh creepypasta!!

OH HELL YEAH OF COURSE

blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most): I don't have a singular blorbo, they're in a sort of rotating formation so that no singular character is The Blorbo for a super long time, but if I had to pick a character that I didn't answer any other question with it would have to be dark. the blorb. the silly. he has two braincells and they all belong to the house entity. eyeliner emo band looking ass mf

scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped): chase. i am crumpling him up like a paper ball and chucking him at the wall rn i am stretching him like a sticky hand and sticking him to the ceiling i am squishing him like a stress ball i am--

scrimblo bimblo (underrated/underappreciated fave): (not underrated in the fandom AT ALL but underused in terms of cannon content) gotta be host. him. just. he. such a good dude

glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about it for a week): MASK I THINK ABOUT HIM EIGHT TIMES A WEEK (at least) AND HE HAS TAKEN OVER ROUGHLY HALF OF MY BRAIN BUT LIKE NO ONE ELSE IN THE FANDOM USES HIM AND IT KILLS ME :sob:

poor little meow meow (“problematic”/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave): ...anti

horse plinko (character I would torment for fun, for whatever reason): actor, probably?

eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell): wilford. he is going to superhell (affectionate) IMMEDIATELY

thank you so much for the ask this game is so FUN

[tonyglowheart]

This entire thing is a rant, feel free to ignore it, but I saw your post about how destiel fans can’t win in this context, and yeah. So have some rambles.

I’ve been thinking about the fact we (current spn/destiel fans) can’t win all night... I’ve seen so many people talking about how homophobic it is - and while I would very much like to argue, as every point I’ve seen made by a non-spn fan has been wrong so far, if I did everyone inside the fandom would agree and everyone outside would either call me straight or pity me for believing it’s okay.

(Cas wasn’t even sent to hell lmao. He was sent to angel death (the empty), a place he has escaped in the past. Other points, like that meta about spn has been predicting exactly this for months, that Dean ended up sobbing on the floor because he was so upset, like that death means next to nothing on spn, like that there is two episodes left, etc etc. you feel me right? I just don’t want to post wank to other spn blogs atm, we’re getting enough frustration as it is, no need to add to it.

It’s also worth pointing out that the bar is very, very low. Spn is a prominent TV show - not a Netflix show, or indie, or whatever - and it just said “main character in gay love saved the world”. [insert gif of ghostfacers dude saying that gay love can pierce through the veil of death and save the day here]

I just saw someone saying that spn having Naomi try to brainwash Cas out of loving dean makes spn homophobic (it is a conversion therapy parallel). My first response to that is that Naomi was the villain lmao? I guess we can’t write villains doing anything homophobic because having villains do homophobic things makes, uh - checks notes - villains look homophobic, and clearly we can’t have that.

There certainly are legitimate things to criticise spn about, but this isn’t it lol.

Also now some people are unironically trying to cancel Jensen because “his acting was homophobic, and so he’s clearly homophobic”, nevermind that he’s an actor and his character struggles with understanding his emotions (which I think he played excellently, myself. That scene had a very Dean delayed emotional response), nevermind the support he’s given to us queers in the past. Like. Idek man.

We would have been laughed at if we got no destiel, too.

It would have been worse, had the writers pulled a dumbledore. At this point I also trust the writers not to pull a GoT - they have explicitly criticised that ending in spn’s canon.

Spn’s writers did that by making the main villain of this season, Chuck / God, say GoT had a good ending. To reiterate a previous point I had: villains do bad things because they’re bad. And the bad things they do make them bad. For the people out there not still following, if someone does something in a story and it makes them a villain, that is explicitly telling you the story (and probably the writers) thinks that thing is bad. In this case, Chuck likes to write things for him, and we the audience have been shown and told that is bad.

Apparently thinking a gay confession is good in 2020 makes me straight. Seems unlikely, but whatever. Sorry for the length, I guess I went overboard, I’ve been holding it in lol. Anyway, DESTIEL IS CANON 💚💙 hope you have a good night

Helloo supernatural anon I hope you are living your best life right now. Yeah I’m like..... skeptical and leery myself but having lived through some absolute garbage discourse that is general purity wank, as well as the C/QL greater fandom here and on Twitter I find myself... much more wanting to question the “general wisdom” of things esp in terms of negativity, bc a lot of the time I find.... it’s wrong? Like so wrong. Or at least presents such an incomplete picture of the whole situation and also presents it in such a removed context that words that have meaning and are operationalized in a certain way for a reason, no longer have meaningful usage.

Anyway I don’t... know too much about the specifics of Spn but someone I follow is into it and talks a lot about the Gnostic stuff and that all was very fascinating to me, and I also have been grappling a lot with cultural Christianity bc of cmedia and the way ppl just *clenches fist* unthinkingly or uncritically slap some Christian norms on it and call it a day 😩 help I’m Tired. My thing here being... I actually got tired of the uncritical “superhell”s at some pt bc I am, in fact, incredibly exhausted with cultural Christianity, and because it does seem like, even possibly(?) without the Gnostic stuff it’s different from a “hell” or other Protestant-derived afterlife concept, and also yeah that it wasn’t seeded out of nowhere, it was set up to happen, which then... lends credence to the idea that whatever the current era of Spn is doing, the current showrunners are doing it with purpose.

And idk I just... refuse to believe the concept that ALL of the fans of Spn - esp the ones who have been following it still, or got back into it and are following it currently, are acting under delusion or are fooling themselves into liking it or thinking it’s good or whatever. I personally find that kinda infantilizing and patronizing and playing into issues of dismissing things women and/or other marginalized identities like.

Plus I find the concept that (from what I think I’ve been seeing Spn fans say) that the current era of the show is quite actively grappling with itself, its past, its legacy. to be very interesting and compelling; it hearkens back to like an old lore kind of feeling, of a thing that has grown into a nigh undefeatable monster and realizing that, also realizing that the only way to defeat itself is through grappling with its own nature and transforming and transmuting itself into something else. I personally find that more plausible and compelling than “Supernatural has been actively and continuously queerbaiting for 15 homophobic homophobic years., so right now we’re all very sorry for you because this maybe is no longer queerbaiting but it’s still homophobic and it can never be anything different ever.” I’ve been sort of tangentially aware of Spn thru the years and didn’t we agree, around the time of that in-universe play about Spn and with the lil Destiel shoutout, that Spn has come a ways as far as coming to terms with its fandom and working to treat its fans better? Why the sudden regression into “oh no, Supernatural is and forever will be homophobic and a hate crime”? 🤔 

The rest under a cut bc the ask is already long and then my rambling will get longer-

But yeah I mean..... I get that the legacy of Supernatural has been certifiably Rough, but I think people also forget how different of a time 2005 was? Hell, how different of a time 2015 was, even, prior to, say, Obergefell v. Hodges. Now I’m not saying that to blanket-excuse Supernatural, but like, you look at mainstream shows from the era and... there’s a lot of shit lmao. The fact that Supernatural has existed this long seems to me like.... maybe we CAN look at how it’s developed through the years vs just insisting it is what it was 15, 10, hell, 5 years ago. Especially since, to my knowledge, there’s been showrunner changes? Which seems to me like it would... affect things? I mean honestly, I remember back when I got into Spn for a hot second because of Castiel, I remember watching panel, Q&A, etc vids thru the years, and like... I thought we agreed that... it was the fans who were going a bit far pushing the shipping question like literally ALL the time to the actors, who are not in control of the show and.... like at the time.... that could have had personal implications for them? And yes homophobia bad, and people can still be allies despite that, but again like.... I do feel like - from what I’ve seen - that these guys were NOT ready to deal with a lot of that but they’ve (okay Jensen I’m talking about Jensen here) genuinely grown and learned? Also how many years ago was the essay autograph thing that people keep trotting out, like what year was it in and what year of spn was it, and what were the prevailing opinions on LGBT issues and bisexuality then.

I’ve been seeing some murmurings of identity politicsing surrounding ppl who enjoy Supernatural, and I’m sorry that that’s happening to you, it really fucking sucks and it’s also the dumbest way to “make” or “win” an argument because it shouldn’t ever be a final determiner, just factors to consider when considering what life experiences might have informed someone else’s PoV and views as well as maybe how you can better communicate with them. Instead of it being a “weapon” or “tool” to either dismiss someone or de facto validate an argument.

Also yeah I get it that you don’t want to send discourse to spn blogs bc I imagine you guys ARE actively grappling with all the bs rn and it’s a lot. Even just from like, the stuff I see around, I’m like tired of it. I’m genuinely having more fun with ppl who are having a good time with Supernatural than the ppl who are hating on it, even in this sort of backhanded “oh we’re not clowning YOU we’re clowning the writers and showrunners who think you should be satisfied with this,” when... yeah? the people who HAVE been watching the show and therefore... know what’s up.. DO seem to be? And all this based on *fake gasp* context. And that’s where the backhandedness becomes kind of poisonous to me, because it implies that it IS bad, and that you SHOULDN’T be satisfied, but poor little you are but don’t worry, we’re not making fun of YOU for liking garbage, you’re just the hapless victim who is consuming the garbage bc... idk, whatever reasons ppl are coming up with ig.

idk man it’s 2020. Fandom isn’t activism, performative or otherwise, it’s okay to let people enjoy things even if you think they’re “objectively” bad, and like... I don’t know if people can call something bad when they’re not even working with the whole context and instead are dealing with rumor and reputation.