#they're all human and that means they're imperfect and they're not above being wrong sometimes

[gorillawithautism]

people need to stop arguing with palestinians on tumblr dot com

[korrasera]

Right, but the point of this discussion was talking about killing being wrong on moral grounds and how people who say that killing is actually right (ethically correct that is) when it comes to certain targets are wrong and are doing leftism wrong.

Even when it's someone who you have a lot of pretty good reasons to want to see come to harm, violating their bodily autonomy is still an unethical act. And we know from plenty of evidence through...(checks)...all of human history, stripping people of their bodily autonomy is unethical, even when it's something that can't be avoided. The 'at best it's a bad thing being done to avoid future bad' frame.

Something being wrong on moral grounds doesn't stop people from doing it, which means the pushback you see in the notes is coming from people who feel judged when I say that killing is unethical. Doesn't matter that I'm not saying they're bad people, just that I'm illustrating how the act itself is unethical. That's not a rational reaction to the discussion, it's an emotional one.

As for the practical discussion, I think you're making some unsupported assumptions to arrive at your conclusion.

First, talking about the philosophy isn't an appeal to an abstract view of what the world should be. It's an analysis of the world as it is. Killing is always going to be the intentional infliction of harm that violates the principle of bodily autonomy. What changes is whether or not it can be avoided thanks to robust social structure.

Second, you assume there's no other way to deal with some problems. That's not true, at all. Starbucks forming a union will do more to oppose the power of the billionaires that fund Starbucks than killing any one of them would ever do. And it's by making those kinds of social changes, building bottom-up community networks and engaging in organizing, that makes real change.

Third, you're assuming that killing a billionaire can solve the problem that you're posing. That's not true either, because you're talking about a systemic issue as though it's an individual one. Not only is it not possible to kill all billionaires, any that are killed will be replaced and you'll have done nothing to address why billionaires exist. If you can't end the exploitation, their deaths are almost meaningless. And no, you cannot kill enough of them to collectively traumatize people out of wanting to be billionaires.

Fourth, courts don't work very well, sure. But they work a lot better than they used to. They're not completely corrupt tools of authority, they're imperfect tools that we haven't fully built yet. If they have no power as a tool of the people, capitalists and authoritarians wouldn't be trying to hard to seize control of them. Assuming that they are unable to do anything completely ignores the way that we've used them to make a lot of strides to support liberty and justice and fight corruption and malfeasance. I mean...we've never put a former president on trial before and yet it's happening right now. In several different jurisdictions.

Fifth, the reason I mentioned lynching above is because any plan to kill billionaires in self-defense is pretty much certain to go poorly because mob justice is even worse than court justice, that's one of the reasons why it's such a bad idea. It's a logical fallacy to say that it's the only option because that ignores literally everything else that people do to bring about an end to capitalism.

It's possible you might have a decent argument to make for it being self-defense, but don't let yourself get stuck thinking that violence, and particularly violent revolution, is the only way to address problems. It's a form of myopia. Just because violence is a tool that is sometimes unavoidable doesn't mean it's a good tool or one suited to the task.

"they deserve to die" is something you should never hear a leftist say. if you do, run

[alieeeeyyyy-blog]

The Roller Coaster Experience and The Lessons to be Instilled ❤️

My life is journey that full of ups and down everyone's makes mistakes in life but that doesn't mean we have to pay for them the rest of our life, sometimes good people make bad choices. It doesn't mean they're bad it mean we are human because human being are subject to commit errors and we are not perfect as a human we have a lots of imperfections but that imperfections we have is a lesson learned for change.

Life is full of joy and happiness and we are the only one who can give meaning to our life we enjoy with our friends, classmates, family and to stablish a better communication for love and understanding however the experiences that we experienced is an education that help us identify the right and wrong that we have undertaken but the significance of all of these is to instill in our mind the sense of core goals, aims, and direction in life to reach our objectives to be come somebody someday through the will of Allah.

Life is a lesson we learn from the different people we learn from our invironment we learn from school and we learn from our parents. Some said that we are not only learn from the four corners from the classroom but we learned some other things from our invironment is the most crucial part of our learning because we intermingled with different people different occasions, with different activities, and they're lots of temptation that we encountered but the strongest point there is to denied all of those temptation and straightforward to the very commitment to fulfil our objectives in life.

Life is a treasure that God/Allah has given to us it must be utilize accordingly because it is only given once the idea life is that life is being truly human it is as worderful things that ever we had to be human means being related to invironment in a certain way it provide us with food to eat places to go and things to see and enjoy, having the capacity not only to react but to act being related to others, since we are social creatures whose very axistence rest to our solidarity with the human rest we are brought into the word by the action of the others.

Life is full of challenges, it's like Roller Coaster sometimes we are above and sometimes we down perhaps everything is within our own manipulations if how we can handle the situation there are times that we are in crossroad thinking what will be since we are stressed, tired of thinking but if we focus on the bright side of life that all of these are just a matter of trial and everything has its own solutions, then we can relax and recover, everything is alright even how hard is the problem we encountered what is important is that we always Instilled in our mind our strong attachment to Almighty Creator who will give us the right track to be followed trials keep us strong, sorrow keep us human and failure keep us humble above of this is the courage that trigger us to keep us going❤️

[rolkientolkien]

Hello! Wanted to make a quick comment about your response to the once saved always saved anon, hopefully in a spirit of friendly correction. There are definitely a lot of things the Catholics got wrong, but I don't think they're wrong that once saved always saved just is not supported in the Bible. Now, does this mean works can save us? No, you provided plenty of verses to prove that wasn't the case! And the Romans 8 passage is a great one, but just because noTHING can separate us from God (1/?)

(2/?) does not mean no ONE can separate us from God, because we can certainly separate ourselves from Him. A few verses to consider: Romans 11: 17-24 (how could we be grafted in if we are not saved? how could we be cut off if we were once saved always saved?), 1 Corinthians 9:27 (how could Paul have worried about becoming disqualified if there was no way for him to become disqualified?), James 5:19-20 (says to Christians that sometimes they must bring a brother back from sin and in doing so

(3/3) save a soul from sin; but where are they bringing him back to if he was never saved or if he had never fallen away in the first place?), and 1 Peter 5:8 (why such a strong warning about the devil if his causing us to stumble is not enough for us to separate ourselves from God?). Hope this helps!

In the passages you addressed above almost none of them talk about loosing your salvation. Rather they talk about falling into sin. If falling into sin is the equivalent of falling out of salvation, then Jesus’ blood is a bandaid reapplied after every injury, rather than the cure for spiritual death as scripture illustrates. You say that Romans 8:28-39 only states that No One can separate us from the love, what about the beginning in which it states “ And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,[h] for those who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified,” (Romans 8:28-30, ESV)? Romans 8:28-30 goes through a logical chain of events,  if you’re predestined, if you’re then you are justified, glorified, and conformed to the image of Jesus. By your logic, we can then loose our justification if we fall into stated in 1 Corinthians 9:27, which talks about sexual immorality and discipline of the body, not loss of salvation. I don’t disagree that Christians can fall into a period of sin, I know I have, and it was only by the Grace of God and other Christians that helped me. But that doesn’t mean that I lost my salvation and then got it back by my own means. That would mean that David, a man after God’s own heart, would not be saved, or any of the Prophets who disobeyed God, like Jonah, or even Peter who denied Jesus. 

Security in our salvation is also illustrated in John 6:35-40, “35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” So is Jesus lying when He says that “All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out?” Because you’re saying we can jump out of the hand of God, when Jesus is saying, “no you can’t.” If you believe that you can reject the calling of the Holy Spirit by your will, and that you can loose your salvation, you believe in a Jesus that doesn’t save perfectly. This also ties into your point about the Devil in 1 Peter 5:8. Lets look at the context, “6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you, 7 casting all your anxieties on him, because he cares for you. 8 Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9 Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world. 10 And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you. 11 To him be the dominion forever and ever. Amen,” (1 Peter 5:6-11, ESV). Peter is rightly warning these believers of the Devil. Just because we’re Christians doesn’t mean we should be wary of the Devil. But what is Peter saying, “Be sober minded,” “humble yourselves,” “Cast your anxieties on God because He cares for you, “Resist the Devil,” nothing in here is stating that you will loose your salvation, nor saying that the Devil is strong enough to separate us from the Love of God. Peter is warning these believers about falling into temptation and letting their worries take over, and reminding believers the reward of persevering through suffering.

 It’s funny that you bring up Romans 11:17-24, but don’t consider the verses before or the chapters before Romans 11, specifically Romans 9. Romans 9 boils down to “it’s God’s sovereign choice to whom He will save and to who He will not save, because God will have compassion on whom He will have compassion,” Romans 9 goes onto to say, “ So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[b] but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills,” (Romans 9:16-18, ESV). This whole chapter screams out that God will save whoever He pleases since He has no reason to save us in the first place, but does so out of His own goodness and pleasure! This then leads into Romans 11:17-24, which talks about the unbelieving Jews cut off and the believing gentiles grafted in. Let’s look at the verses before 17-24, “I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel? 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.” 4 But what is God’s reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written,“God gave them a spirit of stupor,    eyes that would not see    and ears that would not hear,down to this very day.”9 And David says,“Let their table become a snare and a trap,    a stumbling block and a retribution for them;10 let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see,    and bend their backs forever,” (Romans 11:1-10, ESV). So in these verses Paul is saying that not all the descendants of Israel are apart of the people of God. That God has not and will not reject His elect, that He has set aside a people just like with the men who did not bow the knee to Baal. Paul then states that it’s only by the grace of God that these men were saved, and that all who believe are saved, because if it was not by grace, then people would boast. Now in verses 17-24, Paul addresses why the gentiles should be humble and shouldn’t boast in their salvation. This is specifically about the New Covenant. Since the unbelieving Jews hardened their hearts, and didn’t believe, then they were broken off, and now that the covenant of Grace extends to the gentiles (the wild shoot) they’re now grafted in. Paul is specifically reminding the gentiles that they were grafted in because of God’s grace, even though the Jews were physical descendants of Abraham. If you want to believe in an imperfect savior, then by all means believe in savior that cannot save.