#they bash it because as you've stated many see them as actual siblings

[lunar-skylar]

"Romione shippers might wrinkle their noses… but they will never actually say anything." This is very incorrect. Like I said, I have come across many Romione shippers who hate on Harmione itself and its shippers. I know it's not all of them, and I'm not blaming them all as a whole, but a lot of them get very defensive and even aggressive at the mere suggestion of Harry and Hermione being seen or shipped in a romantic sense.

It seems to me that you've personally never experienced this or seen it, and that's lovely, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It very much does, and to suggest otherwise is just blissful ignorance. All ships have their cons.

I don't know much about the Dramione part of the fandom, as I'm not really into that pairing all too much, but I am a part of both the Romione and Harmione sides. From what I've experienced personally, I would say that I do find the shippers to be similar in their level of toxicity. That is just how I feel about it and see it.

The hate that Harmione gets is actually so funny and over-exaggerated 😭

It’s quite literally one of the most innocent and non-problematic ships there is, yet it constantly gets dogged on so hard by so many people (typically Romione shippers) and treated like it’s the most immoral and disgusting ship out there.

I could totally understand people disliking the shippers (there are obnoxious shippers for every ship) or the fact that Ron, for whatever reason, gets heavily bashed in the fics, as I also absolutely hate that, but the ship itself is completely harmless and fine. Nothing is wrong with the ship; people are just overly dramatic and childish.

[kitkatt0430]

3, 4, 13, and 20 for the ask game!

3.) screenshot or description of the worst take you've seen on tumblr

Oh gosh. I've seen so many bad takes... How about I just name a few instead of one?

Barry/Iris on the show is incest because Joe fostered Barry. - They are not actually biologically related. Barry and Iris do not actually see each other as siblings. It's one thing to personally dislike the ship because they were raised together and personally seeing their relationship as sibling-esque, but calling it canonically incest is a stretch. Thankfully this one died off as the show marched on, but I still see it pop up sometimes.

Age gaps are inherently abusive ships. - Ah, yes, you should only ship characters with characters born the same year as them. /sarcasm. Age gaps can be tricky to write and I do prefer younger characters to be in relationships with smaller age gaps, but... age gap romances are not inherently abusive. The differences in life experience can make it difficult to balance the power dynamics of a ship, that's really all it is. I see this get aimed at Harrisco a lot, but not so much ColdFlash (which isn't quite as big a gap, but still pretty notable). So it seems like it's more of an excuse for people to dunk on a ship where they dislike one of the characters a lot than people truly hating on the age gap concept itself.

I've seen people calling ColdFlash racist for not shipping Barry with Iris. Which thankfully mostly went away as more of the fandom became aware Wentworth Miller is mixed race. But the fact that it happened at all was just... fascinating in a horrifying way. Is there Iris bashing in the ColdFlash fandom that's... really kinda gross? Oh, yes, definitely. But it's not inherent to the ship itself nor is it particularly common for ColdFlash fics to also be Iris bashing fics.

On the flipside I've seen people call Iris abusive of Barry (character bashing) for all sort of stretchy reasons that seem to narrow down to Iris ever daring to show emotions that aren't positive, happy, happy all the time. Usually as an excuse to ship Barry with anyone not Iris and pretend it's a morally superior ship and definitely not misogynoir.

And... I think all the worst takes I've seen kind of wind up being variations on a theme of people wanting to pretend that shipping is somehow an expression of moral superiority by only shipping the 'good' ships and not the 'bad' ones.

4.) what was the last straw that made you finally block that annoying person?

So if an annoying person is ignoring my stated boundaries? Odds are I'll just block them for that. I might give them a couple of tries if they seem young or simply new to fandom and don't realize they're being not just annoying, but rude. But I knew when I put up my 'requests are open' sign I'd have to be willing to block people who ignore my boundaries about what I am, and am not, willing to write.

Thus far I haven't actually had to block anyone over that, so having my requests open is actually working out pretty well.

13.) worst blorboficiation

So I tend to see the most common bad type of blorbofication being when someone loves a character so much that they just... pretend that character's bad traits don't exist. Please let your blorbos have their character flaws, that's part of what makes them interesting.

Seen heavily in fics that include character bashing, tbh. They bash characters the blorbo has wronged because their blorbo can do no wrong in their eyes. I've seen this happen on occasion in ColdFlash fics that really punch down on Iris. Used to happen a LOT in the Yu-Gi-Oh fandom and is what got me out of that fandom for a very long time.

I don't really have specific examples, but this process makes the blorbo less interesting for no longer having their flaws and the bashed character no longer interesting for having only their flaws. Takes me right out of a fic (literally; I close the tab) when I stumble across it.

20.) part of canon you found tedious or boring

The mirror verse arc in S6/start of S7 in the Flash. I could see the bones of a good plot in there. But it. Dragged. Out. Multiple episodes where nothing actually progressed for Iris' story line. This was the Iris plot we'd been promised and I'd been excited about? It was moments of interest interspersed with long moments of tedium.

It was especially disappointing because the bloodwork arc in the first half of S6 was so tightly written. The pacing had been spot on, Ramsey made a compelling villain, it fit thematically with the other sub plots surrounding it... and then the back half of the season became a slog. Iris deserved way better.

[slothspamsstuff]

Sigh, no shit, they really be calling me disgusting for seeing no problem with shipping people in a found family, who are not even related by blood lol. I'll check myself when the writers make them siblings from the same biological parents or biological parent (half-siblings), which simply means if only they're strictly related at birth. If not, it's not incest, from a logical perspective.

They have barely met or lived together from youth, they literally meet a few years later after meeting Bruce/Batman as teens/young adults so it just doesn't make sense to me if that's how a family dynamic works, it’s weird because humans are creatures of belonging, they need to feel a sense of communication and interaction in long term to actually form a familial bond, and in this case, the batfolks don’t have that kind of interactions. Imagine you're 18 something, then on one beautiful day, some 22 year-old came into your house declaring that now you two will be siblings, you don't know him, he doesn't know you either, are you supposed to act like you've been with him your entire life just because you're now siblings and not some older guy who just came into your life 20 minutes ago, whom you have no idea existed until you see him? To gain a familial bond, it really doesn't work like that, you’re in with people you don’t know until your late teens and suddenly you have to treat them like you’ve been together with them your whole life just because someone decided to adopt you out of thin air? Where is the work? Where is the built up familial bonds? I see none because! They just don’t interact with each other that much in the comics, and I started going into the fandom from the comic books, not from ao3, wfa (i don’t hate the webtoon but it should not be used as the core reference for how the batfam really act towards each other, it’s too disneyfy and idealistic, which might have or not have happened in the actual long lines of the official comics) or other fanon stuff so before I get to see them interacting like a functional family in the fandom, I’ve seen them bashing each other in the head and laughing about Bludhaven being blown up with Dick potentially being a collateral victim, that’s not how you’d react to your brother or any other family member getting caught up in an accident. And just so you know, I'm also not invalidating step-siblings who see each other as families, like-wise to adopted siblings that see their adopted siblings as a real family, or childhood friends who see their friend's family as a family, good for you guys, actually. I'm only speaking strictly in the case of the bat family so it won't bring up any other newly formed issues that I'm a family hater/pro incest advocater because I'm not. For now, check the comics from the start to the latest, so what if they're legally adopted, it's been removed then retconned to that then removed then retconned over and over again in the dc comic verse? Many writers still write them with romantic chemistries and that shouldn't be something to hate on about, people can have their own takes on fictional things. Shocking!? I know. I personally have stated above and before this over and over again that I like their dynamics to be similar to Brothers in Blood in Nightwings #2021 annual (which btw is similar to this phrase "Huynh đệ kết nghĩa" in Vietnamese, which literally means sworn brothers, which again refers to two men who are not related by blood but finding kinship in each other's company that they decide to become oath brothers - and strictly not in an incestous way but in a literal 'damn now you're my brother in arms' kind of way). Back to the main topic, many DC writers have written them together, many fandom writers have, many artists have drawn them together in a shippy kind of way, it's not a sin so it should not be associated with the violence threats that I have seen some of you so proudly posted on your wall. Like really? Proud of wanting to inflict violence on someone who doesn't share the same ideals as you? Dictatorship, I'd say.

Now, hypotheoretically speaking, do you associate yourself with a serial killer just because you watch true crimes? Do you associate yourself with a crime lord for reading under the red hood? If none of that is true to you then the same logic is applied to people who enjoy things that you don't like. They don't associate themselves as humans with the things they enjoy (if it's really incest, which the batfam is literally 90% NOT), such as the case of Cersei and Jaime Lannister in GoT, though it got better later on in the show, we also don't talk about season 8 (not the romantic, incestous part, but you get what I'm trying to say here). Grow up and think about it. But honestly, I'm just writing this so others who might come across can read and be kind to each other, I doubt you'd even read half of this lmao, you can't even read my previous post properly without accussing me of being a pedo, so I don't expect much from your reading comprehension. But you do you.

Personally, for me, I like things that are not romantically involved within the batfamily but do I be a little bitch about it and shit on anyone who has different ideas and shippings from me? No. BUT again, this is not about me, this is about being respectful to other shippings (ship and let ship) and not give a fuck or dictate what others like just to cater to your own self-rightousness. If you hate something so much but you don't own the mentality of not giving a damn and have to rage like a siren with anger issues (I'm speaking as someone with anger issues myself) at strangers on the internet, I suggest you stay off the net and get yourself checked in for therapy really, because all of this raging is screaming mental illness (and I don't mean it in a demeaning way, I mean it in an unchecked diagnosis that one needs working on kind of way aka a concerning way) to me.

Ok, here's another piece of advice before you flip your head from understanding that Tim and Cass are NOT blood siblings and therefore not logically incestous. There's a function called "block", so you could save some time instead of ranting to someone who doesn't agree with you, you could use all that time purging all the so called 'batcest' stuff from your feed lol. Maybe you will understand that we simply dont share the same mindsets or understanding of the dynamics or cultural backgrounds (and my culture gives the hard F to incest, but it's ok as long as you are not related by blood because the core values of families are so important in our culture, we don't go around calling or claiming anything we see on the internet as a real blood bonding family. Sure a family might be used here and there for one big/small close knitted community but it doesn't share the same weight of importance as a real family that includes the work and the familial bondings that everyone in said community has to claim) 🥳 try to shit on my culture without sounding like a xenophobe, I dare you. The best counterpoint you will hypotheoretically make is calling us a bunch of close minded, regressive assholes/monkeys like many have done before and it's a fact I know I'm not wrong because you won't even bother to spend 10 minutes researching on our culture the same way you don't bother researching the interactions from the source materials that are made in the west, where I think you might be from.

I would have agreed with you if you brought up Damian but I guess nah lol, also anon ask harassment is just people who find joy in annoying others cuz if I knew who you are, I’d give you snarkier comments than I do now so you’d drop that habit of yours of picking fights no one literally cares about.

So then your okay with shipping : tim and dick or bruce and jason because theyre not related by blood? Or dick and jason or bruce or jason and bruce? Like wtf man check yourself

Wow dude, you're better than this, why do you have to try to prove your point so badly by accussing me of supporting pedophilia when I have explitcitly stated on my pinned post that the one thing I hate the most is pedophilia? Did you not read my post carefully? I said Tim and Cass were close in age, and the fact that they met when they're teenagers, and even if Bruce had legally adopted Cass (Tim has his own family whatchu on about) doesn't make them blood siblings. And the comics themselves show that, I elaborated on everything you needed to know and after everything, you just need a reason to hate on someone you virtually don't know and to be honest, to accuse someone of being pro-pedo when the one thing they despise the most is pedophilia just to prove a point is kind of low. I stated what needed to be said and will not be replying to further anonymous asks you're giving me, it feels like a waste of time when you still don't understand what I want to say after that wall of text and still try to police what I don't agree with you into something as sick as pedophilia.