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vendetta-if Ā· 9 months ago
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So, question about Yvette. Did she ever want to be a mother? It's definitely implied that the pregnancy was unplanned.
I'm curious if she went through with the pregnancy because Viktor was willing/wanted to raise MC, or if Yvette got cold feet after their birth.
I'm always mixed about Yvette, her choice to not be involved in MC's life was certainly selfish, but no one should be forced to become a parent, especially if the child in question will be taken care of.
From what Iā€™ve seen so far, I think a lot of readers also didnā€™t really have a problem with her not wanting to be a mother because she didnā€™t want to, but they seemed to mostly dislike her after she humiliated MC in the store šŸ˜” Anyway, Iā€™ll take the chance to kind of explain more about Yvetteā€™s line of thoughts when she found out that she was pregnant, so itā€™ll be a bit long.
At that time, she was not ready to become a mother and wanted to focus fully on her career. She did decide to go through with the pregnancy because Viktor begged her to keep the baby and promised that he would take care and raise the baby all by himselfā€”he wouldnā€™t try to pester or get her to get involved whatsoever in the babyā€™s life.
And Yvette agreed to it because she loved him a lotā€¦ and she was also aware that this hidden relationship between her and Viktor was already coming to an end, especially now that she got pregnant. She knew she couldnā€™t keep stringing Viktor along like that, and as painful as it was for the two of them, the relationship had to come to an end.
To her, agreeing to giving birth to MC was one last grand gesture of love for Viktor before they went on their separate ways in life.
Selfishly enoughā€”and this is not something that she would admit even to herselfā€”she was also hoping that raising MC would kind of make it harder for Viktor to try start another serious relationship and fully move on as she already established herself as the mother of his child, and that MC would also be something for Viktor to remember her by.
Deep down, sheā€™s still in love with Viktor and she kind of secretly held out hope that Viktor would keep waiting for her, for when her superhero career was finally at its peak and fully stable so she could potentially return to him.
Iā€™ve touched upon this before, but I feel one of Yvetteā€™s biggest flaws is that she just couldnā€™t choose and wanted to eat her cake and have it too. She kept her relationship with Viktor a secret because she didnā€™t want to jeopardize her career. And when that failed and she was forced to choose, she still tried to think of a way to get that back in the future.
Yes, young her was selfish and only thought of whatā€™s best for her and what she wanted. Maybe itā€™s a product of her upbringing. She was born an only child to a wealthy family and if her charisma and beauty alone were not enough to charm people around her growing up, she has her Empathy power.
But I do believe that she did quite a lot of growing up and self-introspection since then, especially after the bookstore incident with MC and Viktorā€™s death. She is still far from perfect but sheā€™s also not the person she was 20 years ago.
Also, ironically enough, her hope of Viktor having a hard time moving on from her because of MC turned out to be the opposite. Viktor actually moved on and got over most of his feelings for her because he was so focused and happy raising MC, making them his number one priority in life.
During the first few years after MC was born, Viktor still kept contact with her, meeting her every couple of weeks or so and during these meetings, Viktor would tell stories about MC and even showed her some baby pics. Eventually, that became less and less frequent until it finally stopped altogether as Viktor became more preoccupied with raising MC, and Yvette with her career.
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abugwritesstuff Ā· 2 years ago
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Prince and Consort Dad/Family Headcanons Pt 2
okay! this edition is for the non-valet characters- i've got one written up specifically for the valets (excluding violet because not a dad and jay because no) that i'll probably post sometime tomorrow. i will note that for this one i left out zev simply because i do not know anything about him, or at least not enough to write a headcanon about him.
this post includes dia, lance (i know those two are princes as well but i didn't want to include them with the previous post), aquia, the headmaster, and hawke. also if i've left anyone obvious out of these posts please let me know! i can always write up some more.
diaĀ 
hahaha
okay so i have so many ideas about this
honestly i canā€™t pinpoint if heā€™s the type of have one kid, or like, severalĀ 
either way, i can imagine the first one as a complete and total mistake and entirely unplanned
dia had literally never thought of himself as a father, like it kind of hadnā€™t occurred to him that he could actually do that lmao. like yes he imagined himself marrying the mc but beyond that??Ā 
he wasnā€™t raised as a prince so the expectations that yeah, youā€™re going to have kids werenā€™t really thereĀ 
i mean he was raised basically as a girl so i feel like he may have missed out on certain conversations and expectations. like yes he knows the biology of it all but that wasnā€™t necessarily a knowledge that had, like, sunk inĀ 
i also sorta feel like this pregnancy happens, like, while theyā€™re still on the isle of colde so itā€™s just not great timingĀ 
so for the first while there heā€™s in kind of a daze and it takes him awhile to wrap his head around itĀ 
at first i can see him sort of panicking and avoiding the mc, then coming to his senses and apologizing and then being very clingy the rest of the pregnancyĀ 
he just moves her into his room from then onĀ 
dia just clearing mushrooms out of spare drawers for her things lmaoĀ 
like we already knew he was protective and clingy but her being pregnant just multiples this by a millionĀ 
this is mostly because heā€™s concerned for her well-being, not so much because of the baby, which is still kind of a foggy concept in his head. when was the last time heā€™d even *seen* a baby, let alone interacted with one? probably not since he was childĀ 
he feels guilty about it allĀ 
heā€™s always been a little snippy and sassy with people but this also gets multiplied by a million during this time
literally getting in between the mc and other people like a physical shieldĀ 
šŸ‘æ donā€™t talk to my betrothed šŸ‘æ
heā€™s the most reactive this way around the headmaster and the S ranks (but mostly fenn and guy). he has sort of a tacit trust of toaĀ 
toa gives the mc herbal teas and tinctures and whatnot so toa is okay šŸ™„
as she starts to actually have a bump i think he spends a lot of time touching itĀ 
heā€™s a touchy person with her as is but he just idly has his hand there all the time
heā€™ll just lie in bed and look at the bump like ā€œbaby. a baby. thatā€™s a baby. my baby.ā€ trying to wrap his head around itĀ 
he thinks itā€™s quite cute actually. he likes it a lot.Ā 
as she gets further along he teases her for waddling around, to which she retorts ā€œwell whose fault is that??ā€ and heā€™s like ā€œšŸ˜”ā€
dia doesnā€™t know anything about birth
like he gets the general idea but barely
has to have the mc explain it and heā€™s HORRIFIED
promises to never get her pregnant again (maybe)
still feels guilty about it all, like his whole thing was trying to protect her and keep her safe and now look what heā€™s doneĀ 
there is reason for concern about the mcā€™s powers and giving birth (i imagine this would be the case no matter who sheā€™s having a baby with tbh). like in the history of saligia someone with ancient magic has never given birth, let alone on the isle of colde. so unfortunately the headmaster is much more involved than dia wants him to beĀ 
mc goes into labor and dia freaks the fuck out, jay has to go get helpĀ 
she gives birth in their room in dorm nivalis, and also the headmaster is there with a few of the S ranksĀ 
dia makes them stay outside, except for toa who knows about medical shit and can work with the midwivesĀ 
dia almost faints and throws up but doesnā€™t šŸ‘ŠšŸ» but he stays up by the mcā€™s head instead of looking downĀ 
baby is a girlĀ 
no weird magic shit happens much to everyoneā€™s reliefĀ 
dia feels like heā€™s having an out of body experienceĀ 
looks down at the baby in mcā€™s arms and just kinda blinks at her and reaches out to touch her
she does that baby thing where they grip your finger really tight and dia just sort of melts.
from there dia is just like. infatuated with his daughterĀ 
i feel like dia would babywear hahaha
got his kid strapped to him while walking around looking for mushrooms šŸ„Ā 
she also really looks a lot like dia so heā€™s carting around a little mini-me wherever he goes
dia and the mc resume classes and dia tries to convince the headmaster to let them bring her with them to classĀ 
he says noĀ 
jay watches herĀ 
also it goes without saying but he sings lullabies to her OBVIOUSLY
mc has to get after him to stop magicking her to sleep though since he keeps using magical-ass lullabiesĀ 
ā€œsheā€™s not going to know how to sleep on her own šŸ˜’ youā€™re gonna make her an insomniac whenever youā€™re not aroundā€
ā€œwell iā€™ll always be around šŸ˜¤ā€
anywaysĀ 
if they have more kids itā€™s a good couple years before their daughter has siblingsĀ but i can see them mostly having girls if so
like they donā€™t have any more until theyā€™re in akedia and trying to rebuild tristitas and whatnotĀ 
baby girl is a songbird obviouslyĀ 
dia gives her nicknames based off of this, throughout her whole lifeĀ 
my little lark, baby bird, etc
mc banned mushroom nicknames because they were weird sounding
dia has a perfect understanding of his kids baby language. just like total babbling that nobody can understand but dia is like ā€œmmm, yes, good pointā€
i think dia is protective and a bit awkward as a dad, probably doesnā€™t adjust especially well to his kids getting older and more independentĀ 
like what do you mean. thatā€™s my baby.Ā 
i think the possibility of his kids ever being used for their abilities is one of his main fears so heā€™s pretty nervous to let them sing in front of others but also doesnā€™t want to restrict that part of themĀ 
anyway dia is a cute dad
lanceĀ 
yeah lance puts this off as long as he canĀ 
i think he manages to win the award of ā€œprince with the actual worst father everā€ so you can imagine that heā€™s not necessarily super keen on having kidsĀ 
heā€™s fantastic with them, like he is with animals, but isnā€™t likeā€¦ sure about himself as a dadĀ 
as long as his own dad is in charge of ira i think the idea that his kids could be utilized for magical weapons manufacturing scares the shit out of lanceĀ 
when they do have kids, they have three: a boy, a girl, and a boy.Ā 
heā€™s very stiff at firstĀ 
like very caring and loving to the mc throughout that first pregnancy obviously but heā€™s uncomfortable around baby stuff
christoph is excited though and that sort of helps warm him up a bitĀ 
hawke has no kids and isnā€™t super useful in this regard but he tries to encourage him too.Ā 
lance stops smoking. he may not know much about kids and babies but at least he knows secondhand smoke is bad.Ā 
lance is reads a lot of books about pregnancy, birth, babies, etc. like he may not feel prepared but he can at least try to get there, yknow? he tries to hide these reading habits from everyone but people know.Ā 
he ends up being very helpful during labor because of this.Ā 
midwife lance lol
him with his sleeves rolled up holding mcā€™s back up and encouraging her ā˜ŗļø
once the baby is born and heā€™s able to see his kid, that switch kind of flips and like, lance is not a big crier, but he just holds his baby with tears in his eyes and just sort of blinks over at the mc with disbelief like ā€œwe did this??ā€
very hands on with the baby, anxious about hurting them at first and kind of unsure of himself but the things he feels like he has a good handle on, he will not allow anyone else to do
like if he feels like heā€™s good at like, bathing the baby? feeding them? yeah heā€™s doing that. thatā€™s their time back off šŸ˜¤
once theyā€™re old enough heā€™s that dad that tosses his kids in the air and holds them upside down, shit that freaks out mcĀ 
lance is a practical dadĀ 
those kids know how to do a lot of shit- archery, swordsmanship, survival skills, first aidā€¦
heā€™s anxious about teaching them magic but does eventually do that tooĀ 
he does not treat his daughter any differently from his sons, has the exact same expectations for all of his children- which is a purposeful choice because he does have a soft spot for his daughter much like lynt does
lance having to hold himself back from threatening anyone who breaks his daughterā€™s heart because she knows she doesnā€™t want him doing that nonsense but MAN he wants to beat the shit out of that kid i swear to godā€¦ā€¦
lance reads to his kidsĀ 
but heā€™s the type of dad to get to a part of a book and be like ā€œā€¦what? no. thatā€™s stupidā€ and then make up something else even his kids are like ā€œdaaaaaddd noooo read the book normal šŸ˜«ā€
like roy, the family goes on camping trips and shit
going hiking as a fam and lance ends up carrying the little one on his shoulders half the timeĀ 
god i love every image i have in my head of lance as a dad trulyĀ 
so cute šŸ„²
aquia
i wish i knew more about him but
heā€™s a big sweetie pie in every route he appears in so i canā€™t imagine him being anything other than a kind caring sort of dad and partner
i think heā€™d be very nervous of somehow hurting the MC, would probably treat her like sheā€™s made of glass while sheā€™s pregnant
given that heā€™s essentially a ā€œspareā€ and is also kinda bad at magic, i think this gives him more of an ability to lie low and stay out of the public eye, and to avoid a degree of scrutiny so they do have that advantage
mcā€™s magically abilities would be an issue, i think aquia would be highly anxious about guy telling roc about her. and additionally nervous about this baby being powerful and causing friction in his relationship with guy. i think they would perhaps work out some kind of agreement that the information is kept private in exchange for her loyalty or whatever.Ā 
i do see their baby being a surprise of some sort, whether theyā€™re married or not
like i said, heā€™d be a complete sweetheart- just anxious and desperate to do the right thing by her
remember too that both of his parents have sucked- his mother is awful and overbearing and roc isā€¦ roc. so i think he lacks an example of good parenting but despite this, has a natural knack for it due to his personality being kind and gentleĀ 
my hunch is that avarian fathers are typically sexist and distant. aquia is not that. perhaps a bit nervous at first, but hands-onĀ 
rocking his kids to bed at night, singing to them softly, giving them piggyback rides in the hallways when possible, etc
i've got an image of aquia encouraging his kids to "go say hello to uncle guy!" and guy being mobbed by small children (who love him for some strange, inexplicable reason despite him probably actively ignoring them most of the time)
thatā€™s all iā€™ve got. heā€™s a good egg :-)
lou, the headmasterĀ 
oh man
heā€™d be such an embarrassing dad, can you imagine? lmao
the dad jokes? oh my god
anyway
iā€™m not sure if the pregnancy would be planned or not, but heā€™d be surprised and happy regardlessĀ 
i actually donā€™t think heā€™d be terribly protective compared to some of the others, but i do think theyā€™d probably keep the pregnancy under wraps for as long as possibleĀ 
i feel like the headmaster is such an enigma that once everyone knew that they were expecting, theyā€™d be like ā€œā€¦heā€¦ heā€¦ can do that?ā€
just puzzled by the fact that this was even happening
he buys a lot of baby clothesĀ 
he buys a matching outfit for himself and the babyĀ 
i donā€™t think heā€™d be very helpful while the MC was in labor tbh. he gives me the vibe that heā€™d be frazzled and kind of squeamish and afraid, maybe
i think itā€™d be a boy. i really donā€™t think heā€™d care about gender or sex or whatever though. heā€™d just be ecstatic either way.Ā 
i think heā€™d honestly intend on being the one who does most of the infant care, like ā€œoh go back to your studies weā€™re fine :)ā€ and just tucks the baby inside his cloak and continues on with his regular dutiesĀ 
he for some reason is extremely good at taking care of babies. no explanation for this at all, heā€™s just like an expert parent immediately.
would be the type to show off his son to people. like students ask how heā€™s doing and heā€™s like ā€œoh yes heā€™s wonderful! *pulls baby out from inside his cloak*ā€Ā 
i do have an image in my head of the headmaster teaching his baby to walk and itā€™s very cute
i feel like theyā€™d have a lot of fun when the students go home for breaks or for the coldish cleanseĀ 
like campus is empty so theyā€™re having like family picnics and running around the placeĀ 
iā€™m not sure that theyā€™d have more than one kid. if they did i think the age gap would be pretty significant, like ten years.Ā 
he gives me kind of a head-off-in-the-clouds vibe so i think heā€™d be prone to flights of fancy, random impulse choices to do some extremely random shit with the kids
heā€™d plan pranks with his kidsĀ 
pranking the princes and other students and then suddenly you hear a bunch of child giggles from the next room
all in all he's a good, fun dad. i think it was alluded to that he's like a reincarnation of someone that mc was with in a previous life? so maybe some dad-knowledge is coming through from that life idk
hawke
okay this gives me massive feels
i think heā€™d have honestly sort of discounted the idea of fatherhood altogether at this point, whether heā€™d wanted it before or not. like in his mind, that ship has sort of sailed.Ā 
he makes a lot of quips about being old so i can imagine he just doesnā€™t really have it on his radar until heā€™s together with the mc, where heā€™d probably just be like ā€œi wonder if sheā€™ll want them?ā€
i think heā€™d just be like, okay with the idea of it for her sake, but as a hypothetical. not sure heā€™d really ruminate on it all that much.
pregnancy is a surprise. very much an accident. when she tells him, heā€™s very shocked and taken off guard by itĀ 
imagine the dial up internet noise playing in his head for a good few minutesĀ 
heā€™d propose immediately, on impulse, as an honor thing, without really properly processing the newsĀ 
i think sheā€™d accept but also be like okay woah are you good?? and he would not be goodĀ 
the actual news would hit him like a ton of bricks, might throw upĀ 
i think heā€™d spend the next couple days just either sort of numbed out or frantic and guilty, a kind of whirlwind of emotionsĀ 
i think heā€™d really doubt himself and also feel bad that heā€™d both A) gotten mc pregnant and B) saddled some poor kid with him as a dadĀ 
part of why heā€™d be more anxious about this than others is just that since heā€™s older heā€™s had more time to see what irian fathersā€™ parenting tends to do to their kids and perhaps reflect on whatever his own childhood was like. additionally he was former military and i can imagine that thereā€™s probably a degree of PTSD or maladaptive coping that comes as a result of that, and he knows it.
weirdly enough (or maybe this is entirely predictable) i feel like fenn, lance, and violet (and maybe the headmaster for some reason) would encourage him and kind of get him out of the panic-state heā€™s in
granted some of this would NOT be good advice, but i think the encouragement would help
(as an aside i 100% ship him and violet. like tell me they wouldnā€™t be a great couple. you canā€™t. same with her and grayson also actually. there's potential there and she deserves the best. why am i talking about violet in the middle of this headcanon lmao)
additionally i think hawke would re-propose at a later date, try to do something more romantic. i think theyā€™d get married probably sometime after the kidā€™s born, though
anyways, heā€™d be very attentive and scold her if sheā€™d push herself too hard. once heā€™d mentally adjusted to becoming a dad i think heā€™d be pretty good, if a bit unsure
he does quit drinking, either altogether or makes it a very rare thing. wants to set a good example, y'know?
i think similarly to fenn, heā€™d kinda panic when she went into labor and violet would have to knock some sense into himĀ 
given his past i think heā€™d be able to kind of buck up and deal with it. i can see him delivering his own kid, like catching itĀ 
i can see the first baby being a boy
he would cry but try to be discreet about it, just turning away and wiping his eyes but theyā€™re all red anyway
awkward at first but gets a good feel for things pretty quickly. heā€™d be competent at baby care things pretty quickly. itā€™s not that i think heā€™s had a *ton* of experience with them, but i can see him having had a variety of life experiences that probably make adapting to this new role easier for him than it would be for some others.
he does not baby talk to his kids. talks to them basically like adults, even before they can respond.
sometimes lacks a gauge for whatā€™s appropriate for kids in terms of what theyā€™re able to understand though
trying to teach fencing to a 3 yr old and mcā€™s like ā€œok letā€™s wait a couple more years on that oneā€Ā 
i think theyā€™d have like three kids maybe? thereā€™d be a daughter in there i thinkĀ 
lance is the kidsā€™ godfather/unofficial official uncle. i donā€™t even know if theyā€™d discuss this, i think theyā€™d just know it was the case.Ā 
i think heā€™d be a pretty affectionate dad, very fond of his kids and very patient with themĀ 
the type to ruffle his kidsā€™ hair and call them nicknames like ā€œsportā€ or ā€œchampā€Ā 
expects hard work and effort from his kids. heā€™d toss his kids into a pool in order to teach them to swim, toss them a sword and tell them to fight to teach them fencing
i think the only thing that would actually really frustrate him is if his kids are especially timid, or are unwilling to try their bestĀ 
but all in all he really is a pretty great dad despite his anxiety about itĀ 
i love hawke smĀ 
give him a route PLEASE
hope you enjoyed! these are so fun, please tell me your headcanons too!
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mariedemedicis Ā· 4 years ago
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I havenā€™t talked about Jayne Ladybright in awhile (šŸ˜”) but now Iā€™m remedying that
(So actually this was sparked thinking about the Mormont sisters because we actually donā€™t have a definite age set for any of them except Lyanna; personally I think Dacey and Alysane are rather close in age which I think is supported by the text, between two and four years max I would say; I also think Lyra and Jorelle are close in age, which not as supported by the text, my guess would be they are in their lateish teens as Maege keeps them with her but they are old enough to fight; and then we have Lyanna at age ten at the very end (and I presume, unplanned; not that any of the Mormont girls were planned necessarily but I think Lyanna was more unexpected then the rest. Iā€™m sooo interested in Lyannaā€™s relationship with her niece though. Alyā€™s (unnamed) daughter is only a year younger than Lyanna so I imagine they have to be if not close by choice, thrown together a lot by circumstance and their family.)
so my headcanon/guess is that Jayne is not much older than Elia Sand, but especially when youā€™re young, you cling to those tiny age differences and they mean so much, so I think sheā€™s between one and three years older than Elia, I tend to think closer to the one/one and a half year apart but three at the max
Jayne has to still be on the youngish side because sheā€™s specifically noted as such but sheā€™s also not called a girl so sheā€™s definitely at least sixteen
Elia Sand is fourteen so I would put Jayne at sixteen although I think seventeen is arguable too
(sidenote: not to be a hater but Elia Sand is a lot closer in age to Dany then Rhaenys, you realize that right? If Rhaenys had lived, it makes more sense to me that sheā€™d be close to Arianne and/or the five older Sand Snakes (Sarella feels most plausible thoā€™) as well as some of the ladies-in-waiting she might have rather than her baby aunt who depending on Rhaellaā€™s survival may not always be raised together with her niece and nephew; Aegon and Dany are closer in age to each other.)
anyway to clarify, this is all speculated/wildly made up by me based on Jayne appearing in one (1) Arianne sample winds chapter so like grrm could choose to change her name or get rid of her entirely (šŸ˜Ŗ) but!
what I find interesting is that I think sheā€™s like a foil to Elia Sand? maybe foil is too strong a word but like complement. I think Jayne is demure and well behaved (is this all based on the fact that pretty much the only thing of note is her being seasick? yes. could grrm choose to change her ā€˜characterizationā€™? also yes. but iā€™m working with what little weā€™ve got.) the way a lady is supposed to be whereas we know Elia is much more gregarious and a bit wild.
I also think that their stations in life have something to do with this too? and grrm could do interesting things with that if he wants to. we have Elia Sand, a very highborn bastard but a bastard nonetheless with a father who it can only be assumed encouraged her wildness and who is only recently dead (and how much of the way Elia acts is in reaction to that, we just donā€™t know) and then we have Jayne, a presumably fairly sheltered young noblewoman.
if sheā€™s getting seasick for the first time (again assumption but.), this may be the first time sheā€™s left Dorne (not necessarily of course, there are other ways to travel, especially if youā€™re going only to the Reach or the Stormlands which are next door, but not i think an implausible guess).
the Ladybrights are all my canon ocs. we know next to nothing about them (yet) - not their house words, not their house colors, not their house sigil, not where their seat is located nor its name, and though we know only the names of two members, thatā€™s almost the sum of the knowledge that we have.
I did extrapolate from their name (which is basically the only thing I can extrapolate from) that they might be particularly religious generally or they might be somewhat like certain religious cults where (Iā€™m using cult here in like a specific religious subset way not a mass murder type way although obviously a cult can be both.) one god or aspect was given the lionā€™s share of the prayers and attention and devotion, i.e. the cult of mithras.
so I designed their sigil keeping that in mind. (sheb drew it for me here because sheā€™s an angel. šŸ’™)
ā€˜the ladyā€™ is a bit vague, it doesnā€™t map clearly onto solely the maiden or the mother, although those do feel a bit more plausible than the crone tbh. I also think itā€™s a reasonable interpretation that religion is practiced a bit differently regionally (grrm doesnā€™t really show us this but šŸ¤«) and I think itā€™s entirely possible for someone(s) to choose to focus on the women aspects of the seven. (even the stranger honestly. the stranger said to be neither male or female so like, can probably be mapped under either by choice or variant of worshippers. also ā€˜the ladyā€™ seems like it could be a way to euphemistically refer to a powerful figure such as death or a deathbringer but avoiding using their name so as not to summon them/get their attention.)
so I think the lady can be a number of possible things either a) amalgamation/focus of the maiden, mother, and crone or b) another name for just the maiden or c) mother and maiden or d) the three plus the death aspect. and doesnā€™t have to be the same one always.
I think House Ladybright may have a special connection with one of these or at the very least, the house founder might have. whether that is still true of the current members of the house is another thing.
Alyse Ladybright, canon relation to Jayne unknown, is lady treasurer.
because of that, I think itā€™s fairly reasonable to assume both that a) sheā€™s on the older side rather than the younger and b) that sheā€™s not the (current) head of her house.
I think itā€™s a logical assumption not to put say, a twelve year old, in charge of the accounting and financial decisions of a Great House even if theyā€™re a mathematical genius so I think she is at least 20 and given that Arianne does not include either her or Jayne in her friend group nor in her childhood remembering, I think Alyse is at least 10 to 15 years older than Arianne
I headcanon her as close in age to Doran and them as childhood friends but thatā€™s just what I would like
Likewise, although the age gap is almost certainly less between Arianne and Jayne, she doesnā€™t feature in Arianneā€™s memories like Sylva, Garin, Daemon, and Tyene do (this could be because the Ladybrights are very recent conceptions of grrmā€™s like how in agot we didnā€™t know all the names of Maegeā€™s daughters but either way I think it has to be presumed they didnā€™t play together in childhood)
Alyse is probably not the head of her family because if sheā€™s lady treasurer for Doran, she probably spends nearly all of her time in Sunspear/the Water Gardens, etc. itā€™s not impossible but unlikely that sheā€™d also have time to run House Ladybrightā€™s seat and manage her familyā€™s affairs.
but she is a Ladybright. so either sheā€™s a Ladybright by marriage, a widow, maybe of a previous Lord Ladybright, or she was married and widowed and reverted to her maiden name (possible of course but unlikely I think), or, what I think is most likely, has remained unmarried to do what she loves best which is math for the Martells. and I think sheā€™s able to do that because her position brings prestige to her family.
so I think she is either younger sister to the current ruling Lord or Lady Ladybright or aunt to the same. Either way, I have her as great-aunt to Jayne.
hmm I really strayed from my initial thought didnā€™t I
itā€™s unclear to me whether Jayne and Elia Sand had an acquaintance before this trip but if not or if they knew who the other was and thatā€™s about it, Elia making fun of Jayne getting seasick is hardly going to put them on the right foot so I look forward to them not getting along and being contrasts to each other and probably driving poor Arianne crazy
(last comment before I post this ramblygook: why is Jayne included at all in Arianneā€™s party? sheā€™s the most obvious why is she there, so I think my idea that Doran and Alyse are friends/were friends/are close isnā€™t completely unfounded. also supports my thought that the Ladybrights are sworn directly to the Martells rather than vassals of say, the Daynes or the Yronwoods, but given their lack of significant mentions in Dornish history, I think itā€™s likely they derive their prestige from that relationship alone.)
I hope we see more of Jayne (and I hope we get to see Alyse) even if it means Iā€™m proven wrong
I donā€™t know how to end this so uh have a meme behind the cut and peace and love āœŒļø
how I look to yā€™all posting this:
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