#there is also just. SO FUCKING MUCCHHHH EAUAGAGGG
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Ohhh my gods THANK YOU FIRST OF ALL FOR WRITING ALL OF THIS??
Agatha is an INCREDIBLYY COMPLEX CHARACTER AND IT MAKES ME SAD WHEN PEOPLE JUST GO "Agatha bad evil villain, she has no emotions >:(" like. There is more to it than that, there always has been.
While I may have never touched the comics or heard of agatha before Wandavision, she has become one of the most cherished marvel characters in my heart out of everyone else (with some exceptions) because of how she is. She's perfect character-wise, she has depth, she has complexity, she's like an actual person with thoughts and feelings.
(I want to agree to literally everything you've said but by bit but you wrote SO MUCH (thank gods) and I do not have the patience for myself like that)
AND AAUGH THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THE STAN FIGHTING?? Like I was (and still am) a hardcore wanda defender and i just... agghd I think the subtle hints of agatha being sapphic in wandavision is what got me interested in her, and THEN THEY DROP AGATHA ALL ALONG ON US? OH MY GODS I FINALLY FEEL HOPE IN BEING A LESBIAN. I'm young, I know that, I've realized that I figured it out so much earlier than others have in their life, having representation like this IN A POPULAR FRANCHISE MEANS. EVERYTHING. TO. ME.
Wait wait wait a little detail about that: when they're on the ouija board, you can see two lesbian-colored bracelets on agatha's right wrist. Just needed to point this out (BECAUSE I CANT SHUT ABOUT THE COSTUMING DEPARTMENTTTT AAUUAGGHH)
I just needed and wanted to thank you for writing all of what you did, again. I don't remember the last time a series got my adhd riddled brain's attention like this.
I notice things, like if I am invested in something like this I Will Notice Patterns, Behaviors, and Motifs like fucking crazy. It's just hard for me to put them into the proper words without having a way to physically point them out, which is not easy to do if it happens like two or three episodes apart. The aspect ratio NOT CHANGING. The way everyone was acting Off. The salem seven starting off the episode but then Not Being There.
When I first watched it, everything felt OFF TO ME. I had to rewatch it twice that day to make sure I wasn't hallucinating just how weird it was making me feel.
WAIT WAIT THE BILLY THING. It felt forced, dropped like you said! Agatha's reveal was cool and intense! His was just "hey I wond-WHAT DO YOU MEAN-" yes it was cool, yes he's confirmed to be wanda's kid now, but that isn't the main focus of the show? Unless you're talking about how Utterly Betrayed Agatha feels now. She's putting up those walls and slipping the mask back on to both protect herself and to just become what others are always telling her to be.
Aaaaaaggghh I fear the obsession has me intensely for this show, currently rewatching wandavision just to get more of agnes/agatha in my system while impatiently waiting for wednesday...
I will be talking about AAA Episode 5 here so if you donāt want spoilers, don't read. This also is very long. So buckle inā¦
Right. I will put it into facts and theories and then my actual emotions on what has come out of this. Becausem god... But we will get to that.
Fact: that episode was off. What do I mean by off? Iāll tell you:
BIG ONE: the aspect ratio didn't change. First time this happened for a trial. This is a stylistic choice to tell us itās wrong
Another big tell: the witches road is going down. Every trial they exit going DOWN. HERE THE EXIT WAS UP
Many people have pointed out how out of character they all are. And my friend gave a great sentence: āThey are what Agatha fearsā. Jen becomes vile. She is usually a bitch (love you girl) but she was down right horrendous. And after the whole endearing speech in her own trial. I can maybe reason at the end when she was reasoning that Agatha was the problem. But every other time she spoke it was with such viciousness when they were all laughing together mere hours ago. And LILIA AND ALICE! They have never talked like this. Agatha has helped Alice and she wants to āhumiliate herā? Lilia immediately turned cold and dark? It felt like it was too quick. I would get it if there was build up but Rio outright said Agatha was scared. So to treat her like that isnāt right.
The trial itself. Weāll talk about the building. Iāve looked back and there is no moon engravings on the door. Yes there is the window BUT there are no other references to the moon when every trial has an abundance. And it was not complex. It was justā¦ do ouija, talk to a ghost and leave. Which leads onto my next point
What the actual fuck was that trial?!? Every other trial has been about uplifting these witches. This trial only uplifted Billy. That's not fair. If this was agathaās (only) trial then it was to literally punish her and leave her with her abusive mother. I know we laugh and go āoh yeah Evanora badā no. If you donāt understand abusive parents you will not understand HOW BAD that is. Its not being told āyeah you should have diedā over and over. I fully believe that Evanora beat her or at the very least was so emotionally abusive that even Rio (and if you know who Rio is then youāll want to k ow I want to stress that name) literally screamed at her. Rio is most likely the only person Agatha has confided in with what happened. And that's just talking about it. So clearly Evanora is horrible on a degree greater than most parental figures we have seen in marvel.
So to have Agathaās trial be A) The shortest B) just to punish her C) Everyone suddenly acts the way she fears
Because back to my first point: its all what she fears: everyone she is getting close to turns on her, she accidentally kills one and feels pleasure in the magic but you can see how taken aback she was (I'm not even going to because people saying she did it all on purpose and rebelled in the death needs to actually get checked by a doctor my god, if you can't understand the very obvious drugs metaphor for a morally grey character you may need to rewatch), being left with her mum because her mother was right, Billy being like Wanda, more powerful than Agatha, and punishing her. All of it was exactly what she feared
And the reveal wasā¦ well Agatha is the smartest one there. She is my girlā¦ but it was kinda dropped.
And he just has magicā¦ and has a crown. This will be explained next episode butā¦ no there is a bigger part to this. Think about Agathaās, now THAT was a reveal. The drama, the build up. There were hints throughout the ENTIRE episode. This was dropped. There were hints to him being nick. Thatās it. It will be explained next episode but
It was the shortest episode. Just no
There were Westview and Eastview flags above the doorā¦ for Agatha? Nah
Everyone justā¦ got over Alices death I mean Agatha looked more upset than Lilia and Jen. I mean, I guess its the most explainable part, maybe they came to the harsh realisation but SOMETHING was wrong
And I would like to state now, Agatha is a BAD PERSON. But she is STILL A PERSON OH MY GOD. We literally saw that in WV. Jac HERSELF said that Agatha wants colleges and friends. Not above power but you could see on her face, you can see in the way she was staring at her hands and- Christ I didn't think people would be oblivious. You could see that so clearly. It was not even a āread into itā, she was upset. Whether it was for killing Alice OR because she couldnāt control it again is up to you but she was upset. She is a bad person, and that's why I love her. At the end, she realises that no one is on her side (but Rio but she wasnāt there) and she puts all the masks back up. She becomes horrible because she has just been reminded of EVERY BAD THING that has ever happened (her childhood and nick) and accidentally, once again, killed someone and felt good about it. But this time she knew Alice was helping her. She can be both upset and enjoyed the physical sensation, they can both exist. And thatās the complexity. She is a bad person and you should not be surprised when she does bad stuff, but she does also feel thingsā¦
Itās a drugs metaphor. If you need it spelt out, Magic is her drug. She has been put on a cold stop, she now has nothing. It's like, let's take something pg, if you loved eating incredibly sweet things and then suddenly donāt eat anything with sugar in. Losing all of her magic must feel horrible on an atomic and spiritual level. So Alice attacked her and the rush of euphoria after being left with NOTHING hit her as she was being possessed. Evanora left her body and she couldnāt come to her senses because of how euphoric it felt. After having nothing against her will she finally feels something. And then it stopped and you can see the confusion and shock. She can both have enjoyed it and regretted how it hurt Alice at the same time. Because the lesson has never been āAgatha is a downright terrible personā and if you think that you're watching the wrong show. She is a dark character. At the end, she shuts off all her emotions and goes back to what everyone thinks anyway, her safety blanket: being horrible, being the villain and pushing everyone away. If you believe she truly loved that she killed Alice or that she felt no remorse, I will be nice and stop swearing. But rewatch. Because that's not what happened. And the mask only came on when she realised the one person there who was standing up for her (except Rio) now sees her the same as everyone else and realises he is connected to Wanda, I don't blame her for being a bitch! And what a great bitch she was! Kathryn, you are a goddess-
Anyway. Lets stop collapsing her character. She is a bad person but she is a person. She did want to get closer to these women and she did feel bad. Kathryn did not act her ass off there for people to strip it of any emotion.
Right, so, theories because this episode can't be this off for no reason.
Someone said it was a vision. I donāt think so. Good theory but Alice did die. Rio stayed behind (and anyone who knows who she is will know why). I think that did all happen but not the way it should have
Someone said when Lilia removed her hands it let lose a spirit. It didnāt. Agatha didn't start the ritual because she said āMother maiden croneā. She said it out of turn to not start it
Theory 1: Evanora ruined it. So, someone said that it should have been nick to talk and I slightly agree. Or at least, it shouldnāt have gone that way. Evanora put new rules into the trial. It should have been Agatha fighting through it or something (kinda loose here) but she turned it so that Agatha had to stay with her. Donāt mind this theory but it doesnāt explain why everyone was a bit whack and that ending. Also, the of character stuff only happens after she removes her hands and its her fear. Did Evanora affect how she sees things? Hmmm
Theory 2: This was someones vision. I meanā¦ maybe? But what happened at the end was real because we see them covered in mud later. I think there is mental trickery but not all of it.
Theory 3: kind of my theory that I'm slightly alright with. This was all warped by something. By the seven. I'll explain
They are fighting. What a brilliant scene. But then they fly through a crowd of insects left by vertigo. Alright here is the factor. The Salem seven are finally joining the story and they are justā¦ left? They are just there and then leave them alone? We know they can go around trials because they went around Aliceās so why not wait on the other side for them? Why be so utterly pathetic. If these are the āworstāā¦ fuck me because Lilia was harsher in that trial than they were.
Now here is where my autism kicks in and my dedication to knowing everything about Agatha comes in handy: Vertigo is the leader of the S7. She is the insect lady. In the comics, she has telepathy on a level that can incapacitate and make them see things. She is āthe mindā. Now my friends comment made it click for me, this is what Agatha would perceive as her fear. And it only really kicks in when she removes her hands.
We see her flick a lot of bugs off of her. She is the first one through the bug crowd and clearly the ones most attacked by them. I mean none of the rest have them on them as they enter the trial but they are all over Agatha. So, there's my proposition
What if the bugs affected her mind slightly? What if they adjusted her mind ever so slightly to see her fears OR equally it affects all of them but her the worst. I may even stretch it to say they orchestrated the whole thing. Because its the third trial and it skips right to blood moon AND itās about Evanora right when they come in, the leader of the coven they are daughters of? Too many coincidences.
This explains a lot. Maybe also with how Billy and Rio are the least affected. Billy was at the back so didn't get hit and Rio isā¦ well Rio.
And everything is attached to her fears: everyone hates her after they were being nice, Billy turns on her and becomes more powerful and punishes her over her mistake, Rio isn't there when it happens, her mother being right. EVERY SINGLE WEIRD THING aligns with her deepest fears. So it has to be directed at her.
Theory 4 that attaches to this slightly: so lets ay this is true and explains the behaviour. We have now TWO options in my mind:
A) The trial wasnāt a real trial
B) The trial isn't over
For A, the Salem seven could have affected it? Maybe? Maybe made it themselves to purposely break them up. I think their whole gambit is to tear them apart to pick them of so Agatha is left alone. So a lot can be explained through that. Also explains the aspect ratio, this is a part of the road
For B, It says that the end is when it clicks goodbye. The trials aren't affected by what happens to the people, its what happens to the danger. Here, nothing was completed. Alice diedā¦ and that's it. The ghosts business wasnāt completed. They failed because nothing was done. And what was the objective?!? Every other trial was to uplift each witch or to complete something. In the first, they got poisoned. They solved the poison. Second, stuck in a room with a curse. Killed the curse. Third, ghost appears, ghostā¦ abuses the main character and only leaves after showing Agatha she was right. There was no objective. And at the end, nothing was completed. They distracted Agatha, after a fucking poor performance by Jen and Lilia. They had ages to try and wretch Alice away or stop Agatha and they stood there. And he said it too late. The 0 hit just as he said it. And then they heard Nickās voice. The trial was still happening. The ouiji was still open. They didnāt accomplish anything.
The door unfolds way too late too. All the others, the exit appears mere seconds after. This took too long. And after Alice dies. That wasnāt the point. And IT GOES UP. It mostly likely responded to them failing OR it wasnāt real. This whole thing is not right. So I think they didnāt do anything. I think the actual trial will continue, maybe connected to the weird morgue room we see later with purple hues. Idk but it either wasnāt agathaās real trial or it wasnāt completed. No way this was it. I prefer B out of both
Theory 5: love this one. My friend explained it better than I can so here we are,
And to add, it was Agathaās idea to summon people to the road. I know nothing happened with Rio but Rio is an exception (spoiler once again). The seven aren't. So the seven came on BECAUSE of Agatha, this could add to it
Because alsoā¦ all of them just disregarded all the rules the entire time.
Theory 6: It wasnāt her trial. It was Billyās. Honestly don't hate it given his spirit is from Wandas kids and blah blah idk. Kind of fits
Right so we all know that this whole thing was wack and will have an explanation later? Great! Onto my opinions. Lets start off with what I loved:
Kathryn.Fucking.Hahn. Her uncomfortability as they āouijaā (not a verb, hehe), her humour at the beginning, the look of longing on the brooms, her hurt at her mother, her confusion and conflicting over Alice, and the end. THE FUCKING END OH MY GOD GET HER AN AWARD. THAT CHUCKLE. The chuckle made my bones chill. It was outstanding.
Rio this episode was the best she has been. Her defending Agatha. Ooooo you know thatās right.
I loved the broom scene. And their opinions. Agatha is more powerful than a broom. Its āundignifiedā as she says. Lilia hates the stereotypes. Rio along for everything. Jen and Alice too. It was great
Alice. My girlā¦ the way you could see her immediately soften when Evanora said it. She literally screamed for her to stop and tried to save her. Love you Alice. I know you coming back somehow because in the very first trailer we see a scene of her in a purple lit empty room. Canāt wait to see you again girl
The parallels between Alice and Agatha too. Aliceās discovery was that her mum was better than she thought. She was protecting her. Agathaās is that she is worse. Even after centuries she is asking others to kill her. What a twat.
All the actors were phenomenal. That's a given
The entire thing looked beautiful
That whole talk with Evanora was heartbreaking. And clearly so much had happened and Evanora was clearly a terrible terrible person. And when someone said it mirrored homophonic religious parents my hear shattered. So good. Just so so good
I don't mind knowing rioās spoiler now because it's an explanation on such a mysterious andā¦ confusing episode. I like spotting the things now. One thing that makes sense š
What I am about to say is not a reflection on Joe. Although I did giggle becauseā¦ well when Kathryn is giving an award winning evil performance and acting circles around everyone after such a devastating sceneā¦ eh I wonāt make a joke. But I think he is a great actor and Billy is a good character. He's not my favourite. When you have an entire show of women I will only look at them. I will say the āBILLIEā Eillish song at the end was a good touch. That aside I didnāt mind the reveal. I am excited to see what he looked up for Agatha in the flashbacks next episode. Iām just not fused about him š¤·āāļø not everyone has to love every character. I only care about him in relation to Agatha
Right, criticism now, and I hate criticizing this show. I have never done it properly before for this show because I haven't found anything to criticise, so the fact I'm doing this shows how weirded out I was. Most of this is based on people though:
Why the fuck was it so short. This must mean the other episodes are much longer but to have Agathaās trial, real or not, and the centre episode the shortest? I didn't like that
These are now about the people
My own personal annoyance: we are now going to have to have a whole week of having to now focus on Billy when so much Agatha trauma was there. I knew billy would have his spotlight but now for everyone talking about the episode, that is the only thing that they will focus on, instead of everything else. But I can deal with that because I won't be focusing on it, because to me it is not the important part of the episode. My own annoyance is explainable and irrelevant.
I theorise on what I like. I will not be focusing on Billy unless it relates to Agatha. So I am not mad about that, it just ticks me off it happens in the episode they finally show a bit more of Agathaās backstory
Right, my complaint about people. Fuck all of you saying that āthis show has finally gotten goodā because billy has been revealed. Genuinely fuck you. Because once again, and I'm shockingly surprised because a LOT of these people saying billy is the only good part are coming from Wanda stans on twitter. But whatever. People are allowed to be a bit annoyed that, from surface level, 1) āAgathaās trialā episode was the shortest and then revolved around Billy in the end 2) people are allowed to criticise what happens. They should never hate on Joe, but I have seen people send threats over some people saying they donāt like billy. It is a fair criticism for some people to say that they donāt like that the one man that is is now going to get the attention of this episode
Also very mild proof that this is happening:
Right, point two about how people have reacted and this is real. This is Stan feud, Iām not a child. I like hoes acting. I liked heartstopper and I think heās doing great. This is about real life consequences: that fucking article. If you have been on Twitter you most likely know what I'm talking about. But a magazine article published an article saying āBilly has made MCU historyā and the only article about Agatha, you know the MAIN CHARACTER with a ROMANTIC STORY WITH ANOTHER WOMAN, was basically saying āAre they gay? Hm I don't knowā. And then, they released āall the gay characters in MCUā and LEFT OUT AGATHA. FUCK YOU SINCERELY. This is why so many women struggle with coming out. Because no one takes us seriously. His boyfriend had been mentioned ONCE ON A FUCKING PHONE and heās making history when the entire C plot of this show is about Agatha and her ex-wife and her relationships with them all. Fuck you. People in my life ask me why it took me so long to figure out I was gay. It's because of this. People don't take us seriously and this is EXACTLY what a lot of us feared. Billy, yay, amazing. I like that they are showing him a bit more. I want all of these characters fleshed out. But now, everyone's reactions to it are reinforcing that we are not taken seriously by the wider world, including some of the queer community. Agathaās whole B plot is about her and Rio. And it was so beautiful in this episode. And even if you aren't interested in the romance, Agathaās story was amazing! Painfully short but amazing! But now people only want to focus on the man. It's one thing to fear it because originally I dismissed it. But everything that has come out since then has reaffirmed this fear queer women hold. That sapphic relationships will NEVER be taken as seriously and will always be secondary to men. So fuck all of you contributing to that. Truly fuck you
Breathes in, breathes out okay. Rant over. I can just ignore these things. And I am. Its just infuriating to be reminded.
But in the wait, this feeling for many will get worse especially because some of you stans are reinforcing it. I think Billy is fine. I think his backstory will be interesting. But I saw someone try to theorise and someone said āWho the fuck cares. Billy is finally here to save the showā. Itās one thing to have a favourite character, it's another to do all of this
On the other side, people who are attacking Joe, that is not fair. Every character will have their spotlight. My critique is that it takes away from Agathaās trauma this episode a lot but it is not his fault. So letās never attack the real people
Also if you like his character, amazing. I like that every character is full rounded. But if people have genuine critiques, donāt be mad. People can have opinions. Just as donāt attack people for like him.
Letās just be nice. Some of you need to go back to preschool ālets treat others how we want to be treatedā my god
Rant over. Yay
Thank you to anyone who is still reading. I hope this bring to light a lot of the āoff thingsā with it and maybe show some opinions. I needed to rant because my god some of the things I've seenā¦ But conclusion: everything is wrong. Its one thing for people to be out of character. Its another for the whole trial system to be fucked, the S7 sidelined again, Billy etc. Its wrong on purpose.
I think I will only form an actually feeling in this episode when I see the next one that will explain everything. I need an explanation to say whether I like it or not. But I will say, the other 4 are to me some of the best things ever produced ever. I want to desperately love it but I need to wait.
Anyway, hopefully now that the emotions have died down we can all start theorizing based on that. Here is my attempt haha
I would love to hear any ideas or thoughts! Just please be nice. I'm fragile haha
Your reward for reading to the end: Agatha and Rio being gay
#im sorry for yapping your ear off#im just really pationate about agatha currently#i also want to get into the comics of her so I can understand her better#since all I have is two shows to study and consume#there is also just. SO FUCKING MUCCHHHH EAUAGAGGG#i didn't touch on rio in my response because then we would have been here all day#and I am NOT going to type that much out#not yet anyway#also this show has given me hope about my own identity as a genderfluid lesbian#i've been scouring the internet and stores for any agatha merch#and atp i'm ready to just get back into loom and friendship bracelet kits. i miss those...
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