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I hate to say this but I think Barry will feel guilty for hurting everyone, not so much saving Iris but I think he will think that the reason iris is the was she is, is because he tried to save her when the way he did was a little iffy. I find that Barry's character tends to blame himself for situations when he shouldn't. I personally wouldn't mind if barry felt guilty because of how Iris is now. But not because of everyone else.

He’s going to blame himself, which is very much in-character for Barry, and he’s obviously going to be mostly devastated about Iris, but he’s definitely going to feel guilty about the Team as well. It’s just that I *don’t* want any faux-moralizing from any member of the Team, because I do not want to watch any narrative that punishes Barry for putting Iris first next week. I’ve seen that enough on this show, and it always pisses me off. 

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I like what that anon said about Iris finding out in 7x17, it seems the most plausible. According to Danielle Panabaker 7x14 is "a big episode" she said when she told everyone she was directing. If the timeline is anything like how I think it's gonna be then in the 2-parter Barry and Iris talk about starting their family. And then maybe in 7x14 is when iris finds out because having the TT show up AND Iris find out she's pregnant in one episode would be a lot smushed into one episode. In YJ Bart shows up and Barry's like "he can't be my grandson we don't have children yet." and then Iris shares the news. (oh also Jay and Joan are in that scene) So I think maybe Iris finds out in 7x14 but she doesn't tell Barry until 7x17(which would actually be really upsetting). But Danielle could've been talking about something COMPLETELY different. I think if Barry found out that Iris was pregnant before 7x17 and then Bart spoils that it's twins in 7x17 would make the most sense. I just know that all of that in one episode seems like a lot, especially since finding out about twins is probably in 7x17.

Aw, well, Iris is definitely not finding out that she’s pregnant in 7x14. Of all episodes, that’s most likely not going to be the one, so that’s most probably not what Danielle was referring to, lol. But I don’t think Iris would keep the news that she’s pregnant from Barry for three episodes, unless like they’re literally physically separated and she literally cannot tell him, which I don’t think will be the case. I’m going to be perturbed if Bart spoils that Iris is pregnant, tbh. I want that moment to be just between Barry and Iris. He can spoil that they’re having twins, though, lol. So, yeah, I agree that it makes more sense if Barry and Iris know she’s pregnant before 7x17, or before Bart shows up in that episode (maybe they find out at the top of the episode or something), and then Bart comes in and spoils that they’re having twins. That way, they can still nod to that iconic YJ scene, and maybe Jay and Joan will be present too, lol. 

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to clarify about the whole Allegra 'Citizen' thing. She was trying to break into a (vault) i wanna say in CCPD and Kramer was coming out of there and saw her in the hallway. She used the excuse, "I'm with the Citizen and Im here for our interview" saying that Kramer had an interview planned with her that her office never told her about. She needed to distract Kramer while Caitlin could go neutralize the cure. So Allegra asked Kramer if she could interview her.

Yes, I was informed, but thank you as for clarifying! Appreciate it!

Yeah, so it’s not as bad as I thought, because from what I saw someone say, it sounded like Allegra has essentially used the Citizen name to gain access. While this is not great as well, like she should never have implicated her employer, because she’s potentially getting Iris and the Citizen involved when she never obtained any consent to implicate the Citizen as she’s literally aiding in the destruction of what is technically public property, it’s not as bad as I had originally thought based on a comment I had read.

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I’m not sure if this changes your mind about watching the episode but it seems like Frost might go to prison or get her powers taken away. I was already planning on watching it, but this makes it more interesting.

Thanks for letting me know! My reason for not watching was not because I thought Frost was not going to be held accountable (although, I didn’t think she was going to be held accountable in the long-term, so this is a good thing). My reason for not watching was because I can’t stomach watching a plot which centers a white woman and attempts to paint her as a victim of criminal justice, while characters on a show which has essentially been copaganda, suddenly start questioning law enforcement and the criminal justice system, because this white woman is being held to account for her crimes (many of which were committed against people of color). And the show is attempting to pain an offensive analogy, centering this white woman (and “anti-metahuman sentiment”) and comparing this so the brutal injustices committed against Black and Brown people by law enforcement. 

Plus, I honestly can’t sit through a whole episode of Frost’s trial, Cecile attempting and failing to be a defense attorney, and Caitlin behaving irrationally and foolishly. I’ll watch the scenes that I need to watch on youtube.

BTW, this is not to discourage anybody from watching. I’m just explaining why I’m not bothering to watch tomorrow. Might as well just watch what sparks joy, and if an episode preemptively clearly does not spark joy for me, I’m not going to watch it, basically. 

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the amount of times I've rewatched the trailer is almost embarrassing at this point. but did you know it's been a year of Iris being stuck in the mirror. It's called her mirrorversary, and that makes me so sad. but barry saying "Give me back my wife." destroyed me. I keep rewatching the trailer for my Westallen scenes😭 but what are your thoughts about it I'm curious. Sorry for ranting lol.

No need to apologize at all; I love reading your thoughts! Please feel free to gush away always! And yes, while technically not a year in the show’s time continuum, 6x10 aired February 4, 2020, so it will be a year for us viewers. As for my thoughts, it’s perhaps easiest if I bullet-point them:

I loved the opening frame, and the callback to 1x20, coupled with Barry’s voiceover of, “Come back to me,” speaks to two very integral themes to Westallen’s love story. First, one of the reasons that I do really like the Mirrorverse story-line is that it reverses the position we have frequently watched Barry and Iris in. In other words, Barry has to go where Iris cannot follow. And so it is always Iris saying, “Come back to me.” “Please come back to me.” However, when Iris is snatched into the mirror, she has now gone somewhere that Barry cannot follow, and so he is experiencing now what she has often experienced. It makes the heartbreak of Barry’s, “Come back to me,” all that more palpable in light of the parallels. Secondly, of course, is the notion of their shared lightning rod connection, and what the choice of the frame from 1x20 could potentially mean within the context of this story.

Barry’s desperation and determination to save Iris is heartbreakingly palpable. His devastation is so visible; there were so many frames of him in tears, and his pain is so visible. Equally, is his determination. “Give me back my wife,” and the anger he directs at Eva when he demands this. Him entering the Mirrorverse. “I’ll never stop fighting to reach you.” Because simmering beneath his devastation is his defiance, his determination that he will stop at nothing to save Iris. It’s that anger that I really liked seeing.

I’m obviously very sad™ about Iris, and it’s so poignant and soft and telling that in her moments of trauma, her coping mechanism is imagining herself reunited with Barry and on a date, just laughing with him. I’m obviously kind of, sort of heartbroken at the thought of Iris further traumatized and having to relive so much of her past trauma as well.

Curious about the Thawne-esque tease at the end. 

Also the frame of Iris with her hands in front of her, screaming? Where’s that arc about Top lying to Barry about Iris being Mirror Mistress? That was a thing in the comics, and we know Top is coming back, so idk if they’re going to pull from that, but that image of Iris just sort of reminded me of that arc in the comics.

Grant’s acting and Candice’s acting from the trailer alone was great. 

Also the trailer’s theme was clearly the Paragon of Love desperately working to save the love of his life, and I just love that so much.

Joe’s speech rubbed me the wrong way, but that could be because I’m still annoyed with how he was written during the arc and less so because of the specific speech.

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As much as I miss Nora, the chances of her being named Nora are slim. Solely because OG Nora was Nora West-Allen, and Bart is Bart Allen. So it wouldn’t make sense to have one West-Allen and the other be Allen. I think she will look and act like OG Nora but just be named Dawn. Unless the writers decide to name her Nora Allen(i hope they don’t because that name has baggage). I personally love the name Dawn, and think it would create a cool moment when she comes and WA is like “Nora?” and she’s like “No, I’m Dawn. Who’s Nora.” I also think it sticks to the whole Tornado Twins story a bit better(not that it matters)

She should be named Dawn, but sometimes this show doesn’t exactly think things through, and they have had Barry and Iris say, “We’ll have ‘Nora’ again,” plus they’ve alluded to Nora’s existence in this timeline, e.g., when Wally tells Barry that’s he’s seen Nora running around, so idk. We shall see, I suppose.

I like that moment that you illustrated. That’d be cool. 

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here's what i don't get. If Barry has "been in love with Caitlin this entire time," then why has he never pursued her. there have been times where both of them have been single but Barry never went after her because HE WASN"T/WILL NEVER BE interested. Every-time that Barry was in a relationship(other than Iris) he wasn't committed to it. These SB's create this narrative that's so contradictory and flawed, they at least need to come up with better stories.

You have your answer. That’s why they lie through their teeth. Personally, if their rhetoric wasn’t so disgusting and heavily steeped in misogynoir and if their crackship wasn’t literally built on racism, I’d find them wholly laughable, considering how corny and pathetic they are. Like seriously, one of the corniest fandoms I’ve ever seen. 

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this is part 2 of my ask sorry for it being so late, but how do you think they would do a pregnancy arc for Iris?

I feel like it’ll be pretty normal, as in Iris will be pregnant but still going out and investigating, and I’m sure Barry will be freaking out more than usual, lol. Hopefully, they’ll give Westallen some cute domestic moments during the pregnancy. I’m sure there’ll be the obvious stressors, like Iris, a human, being pregnant with meta-human twins, and what food she’ll have to eat and all that. And I’m sure there’ll be a Big Bad who is causing havoc that raises the stakes a lot during Iris’s pregnancy. As for the timeline, idk. I feel like that’s the direction that the show will move in in season 7, though.

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when do you think we are going to get the tornado twins. because i had come up with this theory that throughout season 7 Iris would be showing signs of being pregnant but people would think it would be a mirrorverse side effect. then in the last episode of season 7 Iris would tell Barry that’s she’s actually pregnant, then the season would end like that. because we are already almost 7 seasons in and we haven’t gotten a WA baby yet. Like come on CW, y’all gave Olicity 2. It’s WA’s turn now.

I know! I feel you. The CW really went right ahead and gave O/F a son and daughter. Which, look, I know Arrow was ending and all, so it’s fine and all. And now they’re giving Clois twins (even though Clark and Lois typically only have one son). Which I’m happy for CW Clois and all, but I will always be very irked that Clark and Lois, a pairing that was only officially introduced in the Arrowverse during Elseworlds (a crossover that happened during the fifth season of The Flash), got twins before Westallen get their comic canon twins. But I completely agree; it’s Westallen’s turn now.

I love your theory, and I would be really interested in seeing something like that play out. Especially because it allows for Iris to deal with the lingering effects of the Mirrorverse and hopefully for the show to actually showcase her trauma and her healing. And it would be really sweet that in the season 7 finale, she reveals to Barry that she’s pregnant with the twins. 

Purely from a narrative perspective, I could see a pregnancy in season 8. Maybe a pregnancy announcement in the season 7 finale, but I’m not entirely sure about that. It honestly depends on what the show wants to accomplish. If they just want to stick to this boring Team Flash construct, then I could really see them push the Tornado Twins until the final season, whenever that is. But I also think that narratively-speaking there’s only so long they can prolong Barry and Iris starting a family, when they clearly really want to. They grieved Nora in season 6 and then Crisis happened and then Iris was trapped in a mirror. It stands to reason that after all of this, Barry and Iris will now really want to start a family together, given all that they’ve been through in the last year and a half, alone. But logistically, it’s possible the show might push a pregnancy arc until the final season. Tbh, I’m ready for the Tornado Twins, so I would like to see a pregnancy arc in season 8 for Barry and Iris. 

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I’m not sure if you have thought about this but i think it’s a 99 percent chance the twins are coming. Here’s why i say that, in the 150th episode both Bart AND Nora are in the past. Like you said Barry wouldn’t let another child stay if Iris wasn’t pregnant, so say it isn’t twins Barry would only be okay with one staying because the others future isn’t guaranteed. Logically that’s what Barry would do so I’m not too worried about tha. So it would have to be twins if they are both shown in the past. I’m not sure that makes much sense lol but i’m pretty certain they will be twins. (i can clarify if you need me to) ;)

That makes perfect sense, and yeah, I think based on everything that you said here, at this point, narratively, it only makes sense that Bart and Nora are twins.

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one thing I hope doesn’t happen in when KF/CS comes back that they don’t put all of the focus on her while Iris and Kamilla and Singh are still in the mirrorverse. Because in the past things related to Iris have always been shadowed by someone else. All I want if for the entire “team” to get all of the people out of the mirrorverse. Tbh, I want to know a little bit about if Caitlin’s mom is a meta. But that probably won’t happen. I need to stop reading into this so much. It’s kinda sad.😂

Aw, I totally get reading into things too much. I do it too sometimes. I hope that doesn’t happen as well, but I don’t think it will, mainly because the scripts were already written, we know Iris (and hopefully both Kamilla and Singh as well) likely get out of the Mirrorverse in 7x02, and my guess is that some of the screentime that would have gone to whatever Ralph originally had going on likely will go to Caitlin/Frost. So not much. I do think they’ll probably introduce her family drama a bit, but I don’t think it’s going to overwhelmingly take up the first three episodes, because her story in these episodes is essentially a last minute addition, after the scripts were already written. The story is still going to be focused very much on the Mirrorverse, on Iris’s story in the Mirrorverse in the premiere, on getting Iris, Kamilla, and Singh out of the Mirrorverse, on Barry and whether or not he and Team Flash are going to get the artificial speedforce up and running, and on Eva and whether or not Iris is going to be able to redeem Eva (and I’m not thrilled about Iris redeeming Eva, but I am excited for Iris and Eva to come face to face again).

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misseshappygolucky replied to your post: My favorite scene is when Barry vibrated his hand though glass just to hold Iris's hand. I'm a sucker for hand holding.

I love that moment. It’s an absolute favorite of mine too! Definitely a top 3 season 4 moment of me. There’s this unique eternal quality to that scene that resonates deeply with me.

smileyscorner04 replied to your post: Wow have so many, but the first one that comes to mind is in s2 when Iris got Barry out of the speedforce saying, Come home to me. Runaway Dinosaur epidode.

A classic! Such a great lightning rod moment. I really, really love when they join hands and the lightning just surrounds and encompasses them.

theonlypurpleangel replied to your post: ofc its gotta be when iris jumoed off that building for Barry, also when he vibrated his hand through the glass in prison. also when Barry comes back from prison and Iris says, "your'e home" and then Barry says "you're my home." thise get me every time. also when they watch nora's video

Iris jumping off the building for Barry is probably my favorite season 5 Westallen scene. Love, love, love the moment when he vibrates his hand to hold hers. Definitely in my top 3 of season 4. And the home motif for Westallen gets me every time as well. And when they watched Nora’s video, truly heartbreaking!

Thank you all for sharing. Really appreciate it!

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i just realized something, it’s bad luck for the groom to see the bride on the wedding day. but barry saw iris that morning and then nazis showed up. COINCIDENCE, I THINK NOT. leave it to barry to jinx his own wedding.

Lol, I don’t think it was meant to be that literal, but Barry and Iris really can’t catch a break.

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I have never understood the Flash writers need to put WA's marriage at risk every single darn season. I mean don't get me wrong I kind of like the angst that it brings to the show, but other times it's too much. I just have a bad feeling that there is gonna be more angst in Season 7 because of the whole mirror situation. Do the writers not see that adding more conflict just gives fuel to the SB shippers. I just hope that we can get a semi-angstless season. Maybe with the tornado twins🤷🏾‍♀️

I *honestly* don’t think there’s going to be all that much angst after the Mirror arc. I think they’re going to have an honest conversation about what Iris endured, but it’ll be about healing together, and Barry supporting Iris through her healing process. We always knew that the Mirror arc was going to end happily for Barry and Iris, so I’m not really worried, to be honest.

Do I think there will be external angst in season 7, the way there was in season 6? Yeah, I do. The show will always draw upon high stakes for Barry and Iris. But again, it’s similar to season 6, where the angst was external rather than internal, and more importantly, they’re not going to be dimensionally separated, so I don’t think it’s going to be as tough to watch. Unfortunately, because of the nature of a superhero show, Barry and Iris are going to have high stakes as compared to a ship on a sitcom. I would love it if we could just have a lighter season (and maybe we will), but external angst will always be a factor. The problem I have is when the show engages in poorly written conflict (see 5x19 and 5x20), but I didn’t see any of that in season 6, so I think Eric hopefully recognizes that kind of stuff as bad writing. As far as external angst goes, I just hope it’s more similar to season 4B than the emotional stakes of Barry and Iris literally being physically torn apart. As annoying as SB shippers might be, though, the writers don’t write with them in mind, and we honestly ought to just ignore them and their delusional, racist diatribe.

But I would love a lighter season, just because Barry and Iris have had such a grueling season, and we’ve all had such a grueling year. And I would love to see the Tornado Twins, and Barry and Iris parenting them, but I expect a pregnancy announcement at the earliest in the season 7 finale. (I could be wrong, though.)

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ARE THE EXACT SAME. THE ONLY THING CHANGING ARE THE ACTORS. Barry grew up with Iris and has always had feelings for her but Iris(DP) didn’t know. Then, you know how the story goes after that. You would say awww they are so cute together. But then when A BLACk WOMAN plays the role then you have a problem with it. Stop making up excuses, and just admit it. YOU GUYS ARE PLAIN, FLAT-OUT, POINT BLANK PERIOD, RACISTS. You can’t accept that a black women is in love with a white male so you come up with

dumb scenarios to try and prove a point. Its so aggravating, just stop already. You aren’t hiding the fact that you are racist, it just makes it more obvious. Thanks for listening to my TED Talk. THIS IS PART 3 sorry for it being so complicated lol.

No need to apologize! I completely understand your frustration with that delusional fandom, and everything you said is absolutely spot on! 

For SBs, it frankly is so unfathomable to them that the leading lady is a Black woman, and Barry is absolutely and completely head over heels in love with her, because this is a space they think can only possibly occupied by a white woman. It’s misogynoir, and they have spent the last six years doubling down and perpetuating misogynoir against Iris constantly. And because they’ve been so delusional and racist for so many years and because they’ve expended so much energy into a crackship that they think they’re entitled to, they literally cannot let go and move the fuck on. That’s how deep their racism runs. 

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here's what I think is happening. after the break was over Candice flew back to Vancouver, and now she is quarantining for 2 weeks. It takes roughly 2 weeks to film an episode, so she may have a short scene that they can film once her quarantine is over. Many people have asked if she will not be in more than one episode but this is the only one where she might be missing(or have a short part). this is an assumption but maybe the makeup is a part of her routine 🤷🏾‍♀️. I honestly don't know.

She’s definitely not missing more than one episode consecutively. It’s possible that she might be missing one episode, but we don’t really know until the show airs. As you said, she might have a short scene. Her makeup is definitely not because she was on set though; as someone mentioned they could do a zoom-in scene. But there’s really no point speculating on this.