#then derse and prospit equal eachother

[malk-with-tea]

Got brainrot and classpected my ocs + me and my partner :)

[dahniwitchoflight]

Homesquared Chapter 4

I cheated and some of my chapter 4 thoughts leaked into the chapter 3 post lol

Mostly about the pretty obvious Garden of Eden metaphor Dirk is for some reason setting up for himself and Rose as Adam and Eve

and I was about to say which begs the question of what the heck role Terezi is supposed to play as but then it’s very obviously as the Snake in the Garden

Terezi is very much just barely holding back some irritation towards how Dirk is treating Rose, but she’s also very intelligent and is aware of How much Dirk sees/knows and controls about their situation, so she’s probably leveraging her powers over Mind as much as possible in order to stay hidden in plain sight from Dirk’s narrative

and she does so in a way that is one of Dirk’s only blindspots - How Mind and other people have an effect in the determination of the Soul/Heart

By acting in a manner and doing things in a way that aligns with his expectations of her, he assumes and pigeonholes her into a type of character and bases his predictions of her behaviors off of that archtype, never expecting her to act outside it, and when he sees her actions and thoughts and desires all align within it, never questions that it might one day change or was different all along. Dirk’s never really been good at reading other people, can’t see without the lens of “how would I do it” blinding him to things he would never think to do, a trap that he keeps falling into with his friends and one he’s probably trying to overcome by becoming Ultimate God Person/combining all perspectives into his own and uncovering blindspots like that

But right now Mind is the darkest thing in is corner still and I think he sort of knows that as well

Terezi walks the crazy wiggled line boundary between their two Souls that defines who each of them is, as expertly as a person on a tightrope, never wavering until she reaches her destination, at which point she’ll leap off of that line and leave Dirk scrambling to try and calculate her next move/who exactly is she/what her goals are, since’s it won’t be following the clearly defined Heart boundary he’s used to drawing his plans by, so she’ll have to choose the perfect moment in order to entice Eve of the Apple of Revelation once more, heck, she might even do that so sneakily that she gets Adam to take a bite as well, since as soon as Rose bites it she’ll have an ally with her against Dirk.

For God created the Serpent originally as well, so thus why did he not imagine it’s betrayal and prevent it before it could have happened? Or else why did he create something he knew was going to betray? Eden was a paradise, so why intentionally create Evil in that paradise?

If Eve corrupted Adam and the Snake corrupted Eve, Who exactly corrupted the first Serpent? That’s something that the bible never goes into really, at least in Genesis, except to say that the Snake was punished for it’s action to forever crawl the earth eating the dust of man’s heel, punishing all snakes, as Adam and Eve’s punishment punished all humans

(Later I think the bible would try to say that the Snake was the Devil all along, but then why punish the Snake and all it’s progeny for it? If it was the Devil’s doing that undid Adam and Eve then why punish them for the Devil’s actions they would have no way of guarding against or now way of knowing it was a lie? Was it not God’s failure? The Walls of the Garden of Eden were supposed to protect his perfect creation afterall)

Gotta say though I really Rose’s design

I would call her Evil Rose, but she things she does she does in ignorance, not really out of evil, it would be like calling Eve evil for listening to the Snake when she was purposefully blinded to it’s intentions by her creation by God.

Once again we get this idea of Knowledge and Choice affecting eachother, Well I say again but really I’ve been watching RWBY a lot lately and the idea that you can’t make a real choice without real knowledge comes up a lot in it’s mythos and it is really applicable here

Terezi’s design as well is incorporating a lot more Red, she really dug those red shoes aesthetic but gave it her own twist, she’s got a red tie, her ever present red cane and glasses and even in that shot of her her horns look more red and solid as well, even though i know it’s just the lighting

So really digging the whole Terezi is the Apple/Snake in the Garden metaphor, she has also been having that tendency to just snack on random plants, intentionally for her own or Dirk’s unaware benefit or not, it’ll make it that much easier to her actions of later betrayal to be seen as “in character and therefore expected and not dangerous” instead of pre-meditated and actually dangerous, to him

And then they start waxing about their various philosophical babble, Dirk seems really determined to also use this to try and figure out that whole problem of how other’s affect the self, he’s trying at least, I think, in his own way. But not for a good reason, not so that he can have a real understanding of that, but because he wants to use it to guard his own self even further

He’s maybe not using Rose here as an equal player, but more like a wall to bounce his own ideas off of and test them, like using a neural learning AI to test ideas or an actual literal wall in a game of table tennis.

Heh, I got a chuckle out of the fact that Dirk’s answer to the Ship of Theseus problem is “why does we even have to remove and replace parts of it, why not keep the original pristine and eternal?”

because it’s funny how avoidant of the problem that answer is, man he really really is uncomfortable with the idea of changing the self in any way

“He's avoiding the question again. It's amazing how one can technically have the maximum amount of metaphysical personal awareness possible, and still not notice these sorts of things. “

SAYS LITERALLY YOU but honestly this is just more fuel to the idea that maybe he can make a genuine connection and understanding with a person if he can recognize how he and her are the same

“It's stuff like this that makes me wonder sometimes whether there's anything about myself that I'm missing. Then I throw that wonder in the garbage can and turn the incinerate setting on.”

but nah he’s still firmly denying that possibility, he’s almost actually equating his trauma of self erosion with the idea that making friends and understanding others changes the self in subtle ways as well

He can’t even stand the thought of his own close friends influencing him to be different in small subtle ways or adjusting his behavior for others because that STILL counts as a change of self that he didn’t authorize or choose. 

Also can’t help but by be reminded of my wacky little fan made Gamma session I made forever ago by them using the name Delta-Detritus and basically be like alright, what if we do SBURB again but BETTER/worse this time?? Which is essentially the thread that most Homestuck fix it fanfiction tends to go towards

Though I am curious now

We got A/Alpha for Alternia which is based of off “Alternate” introducing the trolls as an alternate race to Human Earth

B/Beta for Beforus which is based of off “Before” introducing the planet of trolls that came before the first group

And then Earth C, now, there isn’t a letter C, the third in the greek alphabet is actually Γγ Gamma, (and the fourth is  ΔδDelta)

So I wonder what “name” Earth C really has?

It feels like it should either start with C OR with GA, as Alternia starts with the AL of Alpha, Beforus starts with the BE of Beta and same with Deltritus and Delta

As as “Another for Earth” Gaia isn’t a terrible option all things considered, now you just have to make it sound like a word which describes it’s use to the narrative

It’s is a very split place, having the two timelimes Meat and Candy associated with it, as well it does feel extremely mercurial in nature, being a sort of crosswords between Homestuck and Homesquared proper, and really exists in a place between stories, an ephemeral epilogue of sorts

really a merger of Gaia and Gemini feels the most appropriate here, like Gamini, also the word mini stands out in there as well, knowing that this Planet is sort of on a lesser status compared to the other three since it’s not going to be the birthplace of a session, also has the word Game in it

But then people will wonder why it doesn’t begin with a C since it still is called Earth C so *shrug*  

Honestly C K and G sounds are all very similar in the tongue, so maybe it’s both Camini and Gamini at the same time OH FUCK CA AND GA, ONE HAS CALLIOPE ONE HAS GAMZEE? SHIT IM ONTO SOMETHING (no im not)

I like Camini now better, it comes from a place of Gamma/Gamzee/Game/Gemini but ends up being more about the twinned Ca’s that were used to, Caliborn and Calliope and fits with the establish Earth C theme

So there you go, Earth C’s actual planet name should be Camini 

which also works because: 

Camini

home stove/furnace

smelting/foundry furnace, forge

vent (underground fires)

according to the latin language this word also has multiple meanings and many Irons in the Fire, I think the fandom will appreciate the name haha

Yeah both races are definitely going to both be playing one game of SBURB, despite what Dirk is intending, the pic does make it really clear

There’s something to say how Dirk seems to be represented by Purple and Rose by Orange in this here and then how all of the cave is a backdrop of that same purple.

Look at even the controllers on the machine having purple and orange knobs, even being solely on Dirk’s side of the image

I guess Dirk intends himself to be the force behind Derse, since that’s the force that always “wins” and Rose fitting in her place as the ultimate loser (since of course Dirk will want to win his own game) but also to be like Skaia the force of Prospit

So Dirk intends to be a whisperer like a horrorterror, choosing to manifest his influence that way, while Rose will give visions to her race like Skaia?

makes sense honestly

but again even with the themes of duality, the theme of the trio is bright and center in that piece of ultimately technology, the third influence hidden unseen in the furthest corner behind the curtain of snakelike tubes and wires that Dirk will not expect to interfere, or even have the capability to interfere, Terezi

heck it’s even in the buttons next to the controls being colored red blue and green

there’s so much duality in homestick with destructive red and creative green but then there’s also always been that mercurial breathy blue as the third

God, tell me that doesn’t look like a baby proto horrorterror

I can hear it raging it’s revenge against it’s cruel human creators even as I type

No wonder they become associated with destruction, they know theyre the pawns of two heartless cruel god children playing at life like it was a game

Rose you MUST KNOW how bad this is, it’s not a theoretical discussion anymore, that things exists and is alive and has feelings and you did it to that

and that thing is technically a Dirk too

Is this how Dirk get’s his revelation? Or downfall? As his Heart is unwittingly invaded by the horrified cacophanous screams of his grotesque tortured progeny crying out for his blood?

His end unintentionally ending up as the thing he feared most? Inner self destruction caused by his own sharp and bloody splinters turned and pointed inward, tearing himself apart with the pieces of his own Soul? Caused by his own Hubris?

I will say typing that all out is pretty good

I’m just sad the same will probably happen to Rose too though ): Maybe she’ll make careful more humane species? Something that has the potential to exist and be happy as it’s own creature while Dirk just creates monstrosities forever in conflict with Rose’s race?

They’ll each be the master of their own eventually destinies I suppose but Homestuck seems to have a good track record so far of the Ultimate Female Creator being out to protect the happiness of the children that exist in her creation while the Ultimate Male God just ends up destroying everything in his

[dahniwitchoflight]

I kind of wanna make a little text flowchart of my thoughts for how I came to the basic conclusion of the Homestuck classes that I got

so here you go lol if you were curious about my rough train of thought surrounding things

basically, start with some lovely canon statements:

-Prince/+Bard are Male Exclusive Destruction Classes

-Thief/+Rogue are Female Inclined Stealing Classes (Broadly, Relocation)

Witch is Active, Seer is Passive, Lord is Male/Most Active, Muse is Female/Most Passive

"The most active class out of the 12 standard classes is female, the two most passive ones are both male."

“The active passive scale is tinted slightly male active leaning and slightly female passive leaning”

those last two together I basically interpret to mean that out of the 12 standard classes, there is an equal amount of Male associated or Female associated classes on both the active and passive sides, Lord and Muse having no equivalents besides each other, are the ones to tip the scales onto each side

then, make some conclusions based off of that interpretation

Homestuck has a lot of equal and equivalent pair systems where everything has an equal and opposite balancing factor, it’s a major theme, Creation/Destruction, Active/Passive, Green/Red, Cherubs, Benevolence/Malevolence, Black/White, the Taoist themes of YinYang like duality in general permeates throughout, especially in the classpect system

so two canon Male Exclusive Destruction classes means two Female Exclusive Creation classes must exist, as the most obvious conclusion, and just because of the active passive gender balancing factor

of the following classes left: Witch, Heir, Knight, Page, Maid, Sylph, Mage, Seer

the only ones that even can be Female Exclusive are Witch, Maid and Sylph

and as they also have to be a pair associated with Creation to match Prince/Bard, the only viable options are Maid and Sylph, as both classes associated with healing and creation, Witch being otherwise associated with Change and Manipulation (and I personally see Maid as Active versus Sylph passive, but it doesn’t matter beyond this) 

so -Maid/+Sylph

next, having two canon Female leaning classes in a pair must mean the existence of two Male leaning classes also in a pair, as well because of the active passive gender balancing factor

of the following classes left: Witch, Heir, Knight, Page, Mage, Seer

 Witch can’t (no male examples), Mage and Seer are neutral in role and name and have 1 male 1 female each so it’s unlikely

so that leaves Heir, Knight and Page

and again, like Thief/Rogue, they must be a pair of male leaning classes

Knight/Page are again the obvious pick as the Horse Classes, their defining shared trait, if at least nothing else can be agreed upon, is Horse. 

and I personally see it as -Knight/+Page, but before we make that assumption, let’s remember that the number of Male and Female Actives and Passives must be Equal in order to match the canon statement

and so far we have:

Active: Prince(M), Thief (F), Witch(F), Creation (F), Horse (M)

Passive: Bard(M), Rogue (F), Seer(?), Creation (F), Horse (M)

leaving Heir(3M and 0F) and Mage(1M and 1F)

now here’s where we come to the first assumption that doesn’t have any specific canon confirmation statement, just the whole comic and introspections we get from reading:

Mage/+Seer are a pair under the knowledge function, a bold assumption I know :p

and since Seer is confirmed Passive, Mage is the Active half, giving the last active space to Mage, and forcibly leaving Heir with no other option except to grab that last 12th Passive space

so we get:

Active: Prince(M), Thief (F), Witch(F), Creation (F), Horse (M), Mage(?)

Passive: Bard(M), Rogue (F), Heir(M), Creation (F), Horse (M),  Seer(?)

now, Witch and Heir have been assigned F and M respectively, on the account of there being no M Witch or F Heir examples, so Witch is either F Exclusive or Leaning, and Heir is either M Exclusive or Leaning to match

as well as both Mage and Seer have 1 example for each gender, so just on example alone they have no gender lean

BUT, again, we know that the amount of Active classes must have an equal amount of male and female associated, same the passive classes must have equal amounts of male and female examples

and so far, we have 3 Active F, and 2 Active M, meaning Mage must lean towards the male side of things in order to equally tip the balance in favor of Male active

same thing for Seer and Female, as currently passive has 3 Male and 2 Female

Active: Prince(M), Thief(F), Witch(F assumed), Creation(F), Horse(M), Mage(M)

Passive: Bard(M), Rogue(F), Heir(M assumed), Creation(F), Horse(M),  Seer(F)

and now we revisit a canon statement again

"The most active class out of the 12 standard classes is female, the two most passive ones are both male."

this is where we get into more nebulous territory of assigning different levels of activity to different classes, because it’s a much more personal interpretation here

BUT I can say, that 2 Most Passive classes are explicitly Male

Bard is obviously one of them

and either Heir, Page or Knight is the Most Male/Passive class

now to go through some information in order to make a decision here

Heirs are inheritors, they often have favorable things fall into their lap or given to them or are led around by others. Then also suggested to be Passive in nature by Hussie when talking about the nature of Prospit attracting Passives like John

Knights are called Warriors, Exploiters, and specifically are a class that leaves the thinking and tactics to other classes, suggesting at least an Action/Fighting focused class. Then also suggested to be Active in nature by Hussie when talking about the nature of Derse attracting Actives like Dave.

Page is never called explicitly Active or Passive, but their one notable trait is “one of the most eventually powerful, but it takes a while and patience to get there” and are commonly read by myself and fandom as Passive

at the very least, I think a distinction can be made that it can’t be the Knight, as it of the three is the most likely to take the active spot

leaving us with this:

Active: Prince(M), Thief(F), Witch(F), Creation(F), Knight(M), Mage(M)

Passive: Bard(M), Rogue(F), Heir(M), Creation(F), Page(M),  Seer(F)

surprisingly though, the one thing I am the most flexible on in terms of Activity is Maid/Sylph, they are definitely a pair, but I think there is some room for argument for whether or not Sylph or Maid is the active one in that pair

both maids and sylphs heal, (themselves and others) both Aradia and Aranea were focused on being the caretakers of the realm, Aradia through death and the dreambubbles, Aranea through her plan to take over the alpha timeline

Boths maids and sylphs too all have connections to enjoying their roles as spectators, but sylphs more so in that regard (both Jane and Porrim were def not content to just sit out and wait) Jane and Porrim together do seem to be more action oriented than say Aranea and Kanaya, but their are exceptions like Kanaya and her chainsaw and Aradia preferring to housekeep the end times

but robo aradia has quite the passive called attitude of complacency during her inversion, whereas living aradia seems much more excited to go do things and watch stuff happen in the bubbles

for me personally, the scale is tipped enough that I can comfortably place Maid as Active and Sylph as Passive

so that’s basically how I got to here:

Active: Prince(M), Thief(F), Witch(F), Maid(F), Knight(M), Mage(M)

Passive: Bard(M), Rogue(F), Heir(M), Sylph(F), Page(M),  Seer(F)

then, as for the scale itself from Most Active to Most Passive

I keep going back to this, keep redoing it over and over, but I always seem to eventually come back to the same interpretation over time, eventually always gravitating back towards it as it always seems like the correct one even when I try to look at things through new angles

Lord: Thief / Prince / Witch / Knight / Maid / Mage -/

/- Page / Sylph / Seer / Rogue / Bard / Heir :Muse

firstly because of the "the most Active class after Lord is female, and the two most Passive classes after Muse are male” also sort of implies that the class after the most active female class is a male class, and the the class after the two most passive male classes is a female class, because if it weren’t hussie would have said something like “the next two active classes are female” or “the last 3 passive classes are male”

meaning Prince had to be where it is, and of Bard/Heir/Page two had to be the most passive, but in working with the numbers, I figured Bard had to at least be that 2nd last passive slot

and I did a lot of thinking of whether or not Page and Heir were in the spots that they were, but considering Page’s nature as “indeterminate activity levels” and Heir’s nature as “quite passive everything pushes them forward/gives them stuff” it felt appropriate to make Page the most active passive class, fitting it’s indeterminate classification, and Heir as most passive, fitting whats known about Heirs

then using Prince/Bard/Heir/Page/Lord/Muse as the pattern keys i tried to figure it out using numerical patterns and what felt right overall

Thief as most active fits, and Rogue as the next passive after Bard also fits, both contributing to a certain pattern

Witch after Prince fitted Heir after Bard, then Maid and Sylph as flipped placements of Prince/Bard seemed to fit both classes natures as being closer to the middle line, then finally Knight Maid Mage feeling like a comfortable mirror of Page Sylph Seer completed the set

so this scale fits to me, but even better, its the only scale I could find where certain numerical patterns all fit together

so in this scale, each inversion pair is 6 Spaces away from eachother exactly like this:

Thief/Page = 6

Prince/Sylph = 6

Witch/Seer = 6

Knight/Rogue = 6

Maid/Bard = 6

Mage/heir = 6

 and each active/passive pair is either 9 or 3 spaces away like this:

Thief/Rogue = 9

Prince/Bard = 9

Witch/Heir = 9

Knight/Page = 3

Maid/Sylph = 3

Mage/Seer = 3

and fittingly, the 3 pairs with 9 all have a clear disparity between which is the active and which was the passive in the pair, and the ones with only 3 spaces between all had a less clear disparity in which one was active or passive in the text as well

so yeah, that was my thought process and this is my final outcome:

Scale:

(Active) Lord: Thief / Prince / Witch / Knight / Maid / Mage -/

/+ Page / Sylph / Seer / Rogue / Bard / Heir :Muse (Passive)

Pairings:

-Lord/+Muse, -Thief/+Rogue, -Prince/+Bard, -Witch/+Heir, -Knight/+Page, -Maid/+Sylph, -Mage/+Seer

Gender Lean/Inclination/Trend:

Male: -Lord, -Prince, -Mage, -Knight and +Page, -Bard, +Heir

Female: +Muse, +Sylph, +Seer, +Rogue and -Thief, -Maid, -Witch

Going through the thought process again certainly helps these things, but I’m so picky about little things, that this time I tried to go back to basics, just figure it out from the few canon statements that we do have and see where it goes, and here I am