#their co-front dynamic is unparalleled honestly strongest vocalist lineup ever

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- on expiate

JT: the roughest song for me, as far as like, personal, 'cause i wrote that song directly about a personal relationship that I tried to blossom, that completely failed. I doubt she'll ever figure out that it's about her, I think. [laughs] thankfully. I think I kind of got lost in my emotions and what I thought was real wasn't, and I got really hurt 'cause of it. "my fictional friend, conducting me piece by piece/I feel your cold blank stare cast on me" and that-

jesse: [laughs]

JT: what?

jesse: I thought that song- whenever I first heard the lyric, I was like "this song about me?"

JT: oh, no! [laughs] I do remember that!

jesse: we were in the studio, like-

JT: yeah, we were kind of fighting, not really fighting, but like, at each others' throats at some points

jesse: just trying to get the best out of the record

- on unify (continued)

JT: I feel like, you were basically saying "hey, I get it, well, now that we are aware of this, own it and do a second draft" and I was like "oh, yeah, okay"

jesse: I was happy about it. this is what happened:

JT: yeah it was kind of funny

jesse: we were at an airbnb and I was out on the rooftop, it's like a rooftop area, he was inside, and I was working on lyrics and he was working on lyrics, but we're working on them in the same Google documents folder, so if you have the Google documents app you can see that when someone else has access to it and are writing on it, you can see them writing and it says the name, and I'm watching him write these lyrics and I'm going [gestures looking at phone] "this is about today."

JT: [laughs]

jesse: and I didn't say anything to him, and I went and I like, walked over to this bakery across the street, and I got like, two pastries

JT: oh yeah, I remember that!

jesse: I got two cinnamon pastry things, and I just like got back to the airbnb

JT: I totally forgot about that!

jesse: and I was like "hey buddy, I got you a pastry"

JT: [laughs]

jesse: so I went and bought him a pastry and we're eating it and I just go "I know this song's about me" [laughs]

JT: [laughs] well, you're also really good at figuring- like not many people can do that with me, I don't know, something that you of all people, I think just because you're around me so much, you've seen my, like, spectrum, and he's also good at forcing me to talk about it, cus he's like, kind of had to be like the, emotional mediator for some things before

jesse: the lyric you were writing was "the howling voices looming close behind/reaching for a piece to steal away"

JT: yeah, that was the one

- jesse cash and jt cavey on the lyrics in expiate and unify (neon [2018])