#the zoldycks are one of the messed up dysfunctional awful (i love them all though; so much) terrible family i have ever met.

[chatxkilluaxnoir]

Be warned. The stuff in that post is pretty/very messed up if you want to read it. But, this is the Zoldycks after all.

Semifinals

Fire Nation Royal Family (Avatar: The Last Airbender) VS the Zoldycks (Hunter X Hunter)

Fire Nation Royal Family

Members: Sozin, Azulon, Iroh, Ozai, Ursa, Zuko, Azula

Propaganda:

CW: attempted murder, physical abuse, burning

"*gestures widely* The murders/murder attempts are all over the place" "They’re so messed up. Uncle Iroh’s the only one with anything resembling mental stability." "So much abuse. Ozai burned half of Zuko's face off and emotionally manipulated Azula."

The Zoldycks

Members: Zeno, Silva, Kikyo, Illumi, Milluki, Killua, Alluka, Kalluto

Propaganda:

CW: murder, torture, isolation

"What ISN'T dysfunctional about them? A family of assassins, they train all their children to be killers, including with literal torture. Killua is the one of the family who's a main character, the heir of the family, and he eventually runs away due to the dysfunctionality. All the kids are isolated, told they don't deserve friendship, and they all have different opinions on family matters but it affects them all! Illumi wants to control Killua to as extreme a degree as he possibly can, and even though Silva lets Killua leave, he fully expects him to return home and join the family business again, and both him and Zeno knew about Illumi's extreme methods of control." Note: edited for length, full submission here

[chatxkilluaxnoir]

Oh yeah, I agree, he is a terrible father.  I kinda like his character, but he is a horrid father, but...

Im not saying you, I know how much you hate Silva and think he is a terrible father.  But I see a lot people give Silva a pass, and think Ging is the worse father ever, and that Silva is just cool and badass.  

I have even seen people say that he is actually a pretty decent if not good father.  For multiple reasons, like how he seems to “care” for Killua and his family, and his training (abuse) helped Killua survive and stuff, and etc.  

Dude, I love the Zoldycks (and the servants, butlers, and apprentice butlers too) as characters (they are pretty cool and badass, but not just that) and for the super duper dysfunctional, with lots of layers, great characterization, dynamics, mystery, assassin murder, Addams  family on steroids family that they are.  But most of them are still awful people, and Silva is an awful father.

Basically, where my rant is going is that while I believe Ging is an awful father, I did not think he worse than some other fathers in HxH including Silva, who is one of the worse fathers Ive ever seen in fiction.  

Though its not just Silva, the Zoldycks parents:  Father and mother have been screwing up their kids for generations, at some point someone did the same to Silva, no excuse for him being horrible, but it was sad that seems for the most part until Killua and Alluka/Nanika (crossing my fingers at least Kalluto too in the future) the Zoldyck family have been abusing, messing, and screwing up their kids in a seemingly never-ending generational cycle, its sad really.  

Anyways, not comparing trauma or anything here, but just dont think Ging is the worse father in HxH, sure he is one of the worse fathers Ive ever seen, but in HxH he is still terrible and no-good, but not worse than people like Silva who pretty much screwed up all his kids to various degrees, been emotional/mentally/probably physically or at least for someone else to do it like Kikyo, Milluki, or Illumi so he can keep playing good cop manipulative and abusive, turned them into killer robots/child soldiers basically, locked one of them up in a basement for years, and other stuff.  

I also think Silva is a way worse person than Ging.  Im sorry for kinda going off there, but I cant see how many times Silva has given a pass, and thinks he is okay and that Ging is way worse of a father, dont know it just kinda annoys me.  Im not saying u are doing that, but it actually a take and thing I see often, and I just dont know why.  I mean I guess kinda do, Silva comes off way cooler and scarier than Ging, and Ging comes off very hateable, which he is but still.  

I actually like SIlva and his character more, find SIlva way less insufferable than Ging, but I still admit that Silva is a way worse person than Ging.  Ging still isnt a great person though, but I wouldnt say he is like more of the Zoldycks and PT members who are borderline irredeemable.  Though, like the Main 4, I found the Zoldycks, PT, Paristion, and Ging to all be interesting good characters, is just that most of them are horrible people, not all of course, defin. not the Main 4, but some.  

Also, not defending Ging and how much he has messed up Gon, because like Killua and his family, Ging has defin. messed him up, but I find it kinda unfair to completely blame Ging for how Gon is and the actions he takes.  While Gon is a child, he is still his own person, and dont think its completely fair to blame Ging for Gon and some of personality traits and issues, esp. considering that he had Mito and Abe there to raise him, and they loved him dearly.  I know Mito did kinda shelter and cuddle him, kinda lie to him too, I can understand why though, she was resentful towards Ging, and she ended up having to raise a child at 14, things werent easy for her.  

Ofc, being in the wilds a lot, also contributed a lot to how Gon developed as a person and his morals and values.  Anyways, my point is, yes Ging played a huge role in screwing up Gon, and do however think its unfair to completely blame him, and not other factors into account, and Gon himself and hos own personality and choices.  

Im not blaming Gon here at all, he is a child with issues who needs help.  All of the main 4 and really most of HxH needs to go to therapy.  I just wanted to give my cents to some of this Ging, Gon, plus others I brought up discourse.  Also, leave it off here with this, I dont think Ging is the worse father ever.  

I think Silva is way worse, he and the other adults have completely messed up their kids, and they turn mess up their siblings and will mess up their own kids if the cycle continues, luckily it seems broken with Killua, Alluka/Nanika, and maybe Kalluto someday too (I would hope for Illumi and Milluki to break it too, but honestly it may be too late for them), but he is one of the worse I have seen still, and Ging while having a couple qualities, is also mostly a selfish, pretty unlikable, and punchable prick, and deserved to get punched by Leo and more.  

Anyways, done for now, might edit to this or make a new posts/additions later.  Hope my take doesnt upset anyone or anything, and its not all of it, I could go further into my thoughts on the Zoldycks and Freecss families, but I would be here forever, and this would get even longer.  Have a awesome whatever time it is for you.

instead you believe that Ging is a good father?

oh lord absolutely not soskdkdnskks

ging is the worst dad I've ever fucking seen.

first of all because he abandoned his child, thus creating a shitton of trauma for gon, but ALSO because he didn't stop at the physical abandonment.

he also kept on emotionally abandoning gon. that hunt, that chase, made gon feel like if he showed one bit of weakness, he was not worthy of seeing his dad. that warped his self worth deeply, making him feel like his only worth was through finding ging.

add the fact that ging literally kept on reinforcing that idea (for example by literally testing him with greed island-which I'm sure he didn't have bad intentions, but I'm pretty sure gon took the message as "if you can't beat the game you're not worthy of seeing me")

in short, Ging is literally the source of every single thing that's wrong with Gon. I'm going over it in my meta post that I'm writing but yeah, fuck ging. he basically is the sole reason for Gon's twisted self worth, suicidal behavior, weakness complex and his constant need to prove his worth at any cost.

fuck ging