#the relationship between Odysseus and Athena ruins me

[keikoayano]

ODYSSEUS BEING SO DESPERATE HE REACHES OUT TO THE ONE “FRIEND” HE HAS THAT IS STILL AROUND EVEN THOUGH SHE REFUSED TO CALL THEM FRIENDS FOR YEARS….. AND SHE ANSWERS….

[lyraofthestarsss]

I woke up and IMMEDIATELY realized that there’s a specific melody in “We’ll Be Fine” that sounds familiar so I stared at my ceiling and listened to the previous sagas’ Athena songs and found way more than what I originally planned

All of this is JUST We’ll Be Fine. I haven’t sat down and fully analyzed the other wisdom saga songs yet

Reoccurring Themes

We’ll Be Fine starts with Athena’s classic piano run, just like how every song of her’s starts

Telemachus has acoustic guitar in his instrumentals the same way Odysseus does (like father like son fr)

Athena has piano in her instrumentals the same way Anticlea does

When Odysseus was young, Athena was a mentor to him in the way that a mother would teach her child about the world around him

The run down/harmony between Athena and Odysseus when they sing “Warrior of the Miiiind” is a repeating melody that appears at the end of My Goodbye, and several times in the chorus of We’ll Be Fine

Odysseus is the first one to sing this melody, with Athena following close behind to match him. I feel like this is Athena learning from Odysseus in a way she didn’t think was possible (a goddess? Learning lessons from a mortal? Impossible) I feel like this melody also represents their bond, because she loses it in the last line of My Goodbye but she brings it back in We’ll Be Fine

The long, held note Athena belts when she first sings the chorus of Warrior of the Mind is the same note she holds at the very end of My Goodbye

To me, this is her going back to her old ways. Abandoning Odysseus and the way of thinking he taught her

We’ll Be Fine -> My Goodbye

Athena said she can’t sleep at night because she’s worried about Odysseus and regrets leaving. Odysseus tells her in My Goodbye that he can’t sleep at night because he believes actions are what caused his men to die

“Maybe ^^^ if I’d made a different call vvv” from We’ll Be Fine sounds similar to (but not exactly like) “One day ^^^ you won’t disappoint me vvv” from My Goodbye

It’s Athena going from blaming Odysseus for their ruined relationship to realizing that it was ultimately her decision to cut ties in the first place

“Maybe he’d be fiiiiine” run in chorus of We’ll Be Fine is the same as “this is my goodbyeee” run towards the end of My Goodbye

Both Telemachus and Odysseus change Athena’s instrumentals and flow completely when they start singing. Athena’s piano instrumentals shift to acoustic guitar, and then the piano joins back in later on to follow the melody

This could represent how both Odysseus and Telemachus have influence on Athena in a way she never could have expected. She sees their perspectives and adapts to it

We’ll Be Fine -> Love in Paradise

Telemachus calls out to Athena in the same way Odysseus does (similar notes, but the only difference is pitch)

They’re both trying to get her attention. Telemachus is right in front of her, but she’s getting lost in her own thoughts. Meanwhile it Odysseus, Athena is nowhere to be found. Telemachus says her name or get her attention, but Odysseus says her name as a cry for help

We’ll Be Fine -> Warrior of the Mind

Athena copies Odysseus’ run down from “Warrior of the miiind” to “maybe we’ll be fiiiine”

This is Athena reflecting on her past actions. Maybe, she believes, if she wasn’t so focused on trying to form the greatest warrior and unintentionally creating a divide between her and Odysseus, then their relationship wouldn’t have ended the way it did

[hermesmoly]

hello dearest user, i bequeath thee thy questions of thy ships thee likes in mythologia:

OTP of all time? (Thy owes me 20 dollars if thy says Zeus and Hera)

Thy favorite straight or male/female ship/s?

Thy favorite mlm or gay ship/s?

Thy favorite wlw or sapphic ship/s?

Thy ship/s thee likes to analyze but not ship as endgame? (any type)

Thy favorite doomed ship/s?

Thy favorite toxic ship/s?

Thy favorite exes-ship/s?

Thy favorite platonic ship/s? (any type)

Thy favorite OT3/poly ship/s (any type)

NOTP of all time?

Least favorite straight or male/female ship/s?

Least favorite mlm or gay ship/s? 13 Least favorite wlw or sapphic ship/s?

Thy crackships? List them all

**thee can include ships that are of the books or of your own mind. thy hopes thee does not find thy ask annoying

First of all, I love the dedication to the bit??? I don't know how the thee and thys of Old English but you gave me a chuckle XD

(No way will this annoy me. In fact, I will take pleasure in answering this ^^)

OTP of all time? - Zeus/He- *hands you your 20 dollars*

Thy favorite straight or male/female ship/s? - For human ships, it's Menelaus/Helen and Orpheus/Eurydice. For godly ships it's Zeus/Hera and Poseidon/Medusa. All rotate my mind like clockwork. I also love the married godly couples and Ares/Aphrodite.

Thy favorite mlm or gay ship/s? - ORESTES/PYLADES ORESTES/PYLADES SUPREMACY 🗣🗣🗣 Sometimes Patroclus/Achilles. Poseidon/Nerites. (Ares/Hermes for non canon)

Thy favorite wlw or sapphic ship/s? Oh, this is hard... I only have non-canon ones like Metis/Hera, Demeter/Leto, and Eileithyia/Clotho.

Thy ship/s thee likes to analyze but not ship as endgame? (any type) - oh AGAMEMNON/CLYTEMNESTRA takes the cake for that for sure. Their house is so rotten, their kids dead or depressed and their marriage in RUINS but once upon a time everything was okay, and that is what makes it hurt more. Other ships include Rhea/Cronus and maaaybe Apollo/Cassandra.

Thy favorite doomed ship/s? - Orpheus/Eurydice, Hades/Leuke :(

Thy favorite toxic ship/s? - Zeus/Hera, Rhea/Cronus, a bit of Pentheus/Dionysus too hehe.

Thy favorite exes-ship/s? - Poseidon/Pelops, Zeus/Themis, Diomedes/Odysseus (last one is exes best friends and fwbs to me.)

Thy favorite platonic ship/s? (any type) - HECTOR&HELEN AND ODYSSEUS&MENELAUS LETS GO!!! Also, I love the whole brotherhood between the Achean soldiers, yes even including Agamemnon. The Kronides (especially Zeus&Hades and Hera&Poseidon) and the younger Olympians' relationship with each other (too long to add. Its a lot.)

Thy favorite OT3/poly ship/s (any type) - Zeus/Hera/Metis (past) or Zeus/Hera/Prometheus (present but in a Kaos show AU way where Prometheus and Hera are both stressfully dealing with Zeus' shit 100% of the time. Not sure if It's a V-relationship or a whole poly ship but it's fun to imagine).

NOTP of all time? - probably Zeus/Leto or Semele (no hate to shippers).

Least favorite straight or male/female ship/s? - Paris/Helen (again, no hate to the shippers. A matter of preference and I find the influence of Aphrodite/the gods in their relationship way more fascinating than the pairing itself. They're very Curses by Crane Wives coded. In a way they also fit No.5 of your asks lol). Also Hephaestus/Aphrodite and Poseidon/Amphitrite. In a way.

Least favorite mlm or gay ship/s? My mind is blank, my least favorite is Zeus/Ganymede but I'm honestly neutral-positive with the interpretations of Ganymede as an adult.

Least favorite wlw or sapphic ship/s? Medusa/Athena for sure. Eradicate that ship.

Thy crackships? List them all - Hmmm I already mentioned some in No.4... Would love to see Medea/Oenone, Hermione/Electra, and some iteration of Ares/Thanatos/Hermes too. That's all I can think of for now