#the problem is the Kenobists and JAs make them out to be these heroes they never really were

[gch1995]

I wouldn’t say that Obi-Wan and Yoda are framed as completely justified in their morally dubious actions, behaviors, choices, and mistreatments of Anakin, Ahsoka, Luke, the clones, and the rest of the Jedi. No, the entire Order and Republic didn’t deserve mass murder, but the fact that they made a decision to hide away from the problems they helped create with Anakin, even if unintentionally, left Anakin to burn alive, and made a decision to repeatedly enable and perpetuate systematic abuse, classism, corruption, hypocrisy, manipulation, and oppression “for the greater good” of their Order and the Republic because it became easier and safer than taking a risk to do what they knew was right, had negative consequences for both themselves and the galaxy at large.

They lost Anakin’s trust and respect, and while he wasn’t right to murder their entire Order, he also wasn’t wrong to distrust and dislike Obi-Wan, Yoda, and the Jedi Council either. Obi-Wan, Yoda, and the Council willfully systematically abused, deceived, gaslit, groomed, isolated, and emotionally neglected this child to try to use him as a weapon for their own purposes, even though they knew it would be more difficult for him because he had already been a child slave and known real life outside of their cult of total emotional/individual denial well enough to recognize it was abnormal. Instead, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and the Council decided Anakin was the problem, rather than taking the opportunity to examine their own flaws in their pride and fear of the unknown, so they paid for it by helping turn Anakin into their greatest enemy instead.

They lost Ahsoka’s trust and respect for good reason, and fuck the writers of TBOBF for retconning that. She had every right to dislike Yoda, Obi-Wan, and the Council because none of them had her back, except for Anakin, but the writers of Disney don’t want to acknowledge canonical evidence that the “heroes” of Star Wars were canonically abusive in the old Order.

They were negligent of the slave army they accepted from Palpatine “for the greater good,” he took advantage of Yoda’s and the Council’s willful negligence, and used that against them.

If Luke had followed their advice in the OT, he probably would have taken his dad’s place as Sidious’s apprentice.

The problem really is Disney and much of this fandom. They just refuse to accept that Obi-Wan, Yoda, and the Jedi Council of the prequels were deeply flawed static characters who were meant to set up Luke reforming the Order into a healthy balance.

Do you believe that writers of detective stories are actually real-life murderers, because they decide to have fictional people killed? What about fanfic writers who like hurt/comfort fics? Are they all closet sadists? I mean no offense to you, but bejeesus... I guess my main problem is that I simply don't empathize with idea of paying the blood price of thousands of lives for one man's "one true love". Everybody except Vader could have lived without Padmé just fine. His own problem he couldn't.

Sure, nonny. You don’t have to find Anakin/Darth Vader likable or relatable. You can hate him for his crimes. He had a selfish side. That’s valid. However, there’s a major difference between wanting for a character to be punished for their crimes versus telling them to commit suicide as a “joke.” What you’re suggesting Obi-Wan “jokingly” tell Anakin is fucked up.

It’s also worth noting that Anakin’s not the only one who endangered, ended, or sacrificed thousands of lives, including children, for his personal “greater good” to cover up out of fear of the unknown. While not as bad as the Empire/Sith, the old Jedi and Republic did, too.