#the most straightforwardly accepting i can see him being is maybe telling sam and dean (if they ask) not to bother those people | Explore Tumblr posts and blogs

winchesterian · 1 month ago

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just as people have done entirely too much in the opposite direction by trying to rehabilitate john as Not Abusive, Actually (entirely as pushback to trashy whumpfic which wouldn't have good characterisation as a priority anyway), this is true also for John Winchester Understanding LGBT Ally takes. yes he wouldn't be throwing around slurs 24/7 like an over the top cartoon homophobe. no i dont think he'd magically transcend the social context of his time and hold zero prejudiced views around queerness, particularly gender nonconformity.

#sorry i dont think midwestern guy born in the 50s who volunteered for 'nam is going to be super woke.#<- and its ridiculous that if you say this youre accused of fucking. MIDWESTPHOBIA.#like. ultimately i mostly just dont think its something thats on his mind in any major way what with his demon hunt revenge plot! but yeah.#the most straightforwardly accepting i can see him being is maybe telling sam and dean (if they ask) not to bother those people #theyve got enough to deal with. but nothing outright POSITIVE.#i'll grant that he'll respect queer men if they are very gender conforming in their masculinity. thats pretty conditional though lol.#“but u ship him with his sonwife” if you knew anything about incestuous csa dynamics you wld realise this doesnt contradict any of that 👍#dean is 'allowed' a degree of femininity but only in very specific contexts and only in so far as it serves john in some way #fully agree that characterisations of dean where he's just soooooo terrified of john finding out he fucks men are very stupid!#but i can think that without making the silliness be abt john not being homophobic. john knows and he takes advantage of it when he pleases #.txt

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