#the Something of the mensis ritual was the beast plague/whatever the FUCK they did to yaharghul/the one reborn | Explore Tumblr posts and blogs

sinecosinewheel · 2 years ago

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ok so here's a bloodborne post. every dream or nightmare in bloodborne needs two things:

1. a host/dreamer

2. a being to create the dream

in the nightmare frontier/nightmare of mensis the dreamer is micolash and the creator is mergo.

we know for sure the nameless moon presence made the hunter's dream, and the obvious conclusion is gehrman is the dreamer. my personal pet theory is the doll is a second dreamer, the real host of the dream, because you find her sleeping in the old abandoned workshop

when you end a dream you have to kill both the host of the dream and the creator, ex, killing micolash then mergo, killing (freeing) gehrman and then the moon presence

so here where i get a little confusing okkkkk. the doll is the reason the game loops. the purpose of the hunter's dream is to keep hunters alive, at least when they start out hunting. hunters can leave the dream, like eileen and djura, but can they really? they reset when you start new game plus. everything resets. you are able to end the nightmare of beasts by ending the mensis ritual, but micolash was already long dead and a skeleton when he 'woke up', meaning gehrman would be as well. the doll, however, would just go back to sleep. she has an immortal doll body, if she wakes up there is no actual consequence. in the childhoods beginning ending you become the new creator of the dream, and the doll is the host, so gehrman is unnecessary. in the ending where you replace gehrman you are replacing his role as the surrogate child of the moon presence/collateral, and the doll is the host. in yharnam sunrise you 'leave' the dream, but you can't actually leave. the only thing left is new game plus. there is no way to permanently kill the doll in the game, and you need to kill both the dreamer and the maker of the dream to end it

i believe the moon presence created something unintendedly bigger than herself with the dream, it's become an endless self powering cycle that resets the entire world instead of just keeping a few hunters alive. the great ones are sympathetic in spirit, but she didn't really understand what laurence (and associates) was asking for because she can never actually die. so now no one can ever die! N that's my post

#wheeltext #the creator of the hunters nightmare is kos and i thiiink the dreamer would be the orphan. kos is already 'dead' (as a great one can get)#n you put the orphan to rest #n then the nightmare ends #so yeah there are two effects of this type of deal #it creates a dream/nightmare (which stays even after the host and creator are killed) and it does Something #the Something of the mensis ritual was the beast plague/whatever the FUCK they did to yaharghul/the one reborn #n the Something of the hunters dream was the time loop/keeping hunters alive/providing aid to hunters/etc #n the Something of the hunters nightmare was dragging all hunters to actual hell when they go blood drunk #i believe the nature of the deal with the moon presence was to house the hunters #assist them keep them alive whatever they need #and she would get two things out of it #the first is a surrogate child in gehrman (he also works as collateral for the deal while laurenc n co worked for the mp's ends)#and the second is that the hunters would take out the competition and kill other great ones #hence the note Hunt the Great Ones. Hunt the Great Ones. in byrgenwerth #OH FUCK #ok so maybe the obscuring of rituals rom did yknow hiding the blood moon etc was a deal she made with willem #but it didnt create a dream it made the moonlit lake #rom could also be the dreamer maybe? bc she used to be human #idk im really just spitballing at this point if i got anything wrong or misremembered smth feel free to correct me #also sorry this is so long lmao

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