#tbl 8x03
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codewordpumpkin · 4 years ago
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a very optimistic view of tbl 8x03
*long, heavy sigh* 
where do I begin...
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- "I know how you feel about Elizabeth... How could you do that to someone you love?” (Cooper to Red) + “Whatever happens, he loves you. You know that, right?” (Marvin to Liz) = literally everyone knows Liz and Red are married, and they are frustrated by how goddamn stubborn/blind/stupid they are (as they should)
- this little exchange between Red and Marvin: 
“You want to know if I still intend to leave most everything of mine to Elizabeth?” 
“You don’t want me to change your will? Even after she took sides against you?” 
“Okay, so, today she opposes me - maybe, tomorrow. But not forever. Look at Dom and I... In the end, we found our way to each other.”
Also, Marvin asking Red if he still wants to leave most of his assets to Liz even after she betrayed him: if Liz was Red’s daughter (which we know she’s not) or biologically related to him in any way, I don’t believe this question would be asked because in the end, family is family, and it’s usually standard to pass on inheritance to family. But because Liz isn’t related to Red, Red has no real obligation to pass his assets to her, which is why it makes sense for Marvin to ask Red this question.
- “Not until we talk.”
Despite what a crazy bitch Liz has been/is being/will be for the foreseeable future, Red still loves her unconditionally and wants to do whatever he can to hang onto her and Agnes (*cough*agnesgate*cough*)
He made it sound like he would let her go if that’s what she ultimately wants, but we can tell that Red will in no way let her go that easily:
“It may feel, at times, like the end, but our story isn’t over yet.”
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“And if after our talk, you still feel the same, you can say goodbye to us both.”
Red seemed pretty confident that after their talk, Liz would change her mind/heart about where she stands with him. This implies that whatever unsaid truths that Red has up his sleeve is extremely significant (which is why tptb had Red cough up blood on Liz’s car window and prevented their talk from happening... *sighhhhhh*)
- About Liz suddenly caring more about Ressler than Red + going to his apartment at the end: 
Remember what Red said to Ressler in the infamous mannequin-kiss ep? “Boy, she played you.” (yes, I know he was distracting him so Dembe could place the bug, but doesn’t make what he said any less true). 
I’m not saying Liz doesn’t care about Ressler - it’s obvious she does have love for him as a friend/partner. But she’s not in love with him - not by a long shot. And if Tom (sorry to bring him up) wasn’t her relationship endgame, then Ressler sure as hell isn’t. 
Also, I’m actually glad they’re dipping into Keenler waters right now and in this way. By “this way” I mean they’re getting “close/intimate” scenes every time Liz is in trouble and needs him for something. It hasn’t been a gradual build-up over the years like lizzington. It’s too sudden + Liz reverts to her cold demeanour every time she’s done using Ressler (before cozying up to him when she needs him again).
Also Also, Liz and Ressler just really wouldn’t work. Ressler is Captain America. Liz has crossed too many lines that she can’t uncross. She’s not that green, naive FBI agent who might’ve had a chance with Ressler back in the day. 
And to be honest, Ressler deserves way better than Liz at this point (Park did call him hot...). Just like the FBI Task Force deserves better. Just like Agnes deserves better. 
(I’m starting to get mad again, so let’s leave it at that for now...)
- I’ve always believed that Red and Liz’s relationship had to be completely destroyed in order to be rebuilt in the direction (lizzington) that we want - especially after tptb acted like Red was her father for a (dreadfully long, nightmarish) couple seasons. They have to destroy that foundation in order to create a new one. 
This is all I have to say for now. I mostly wrote this post for me, as I needed it for my own mental/emotional well-being, but I hope this manages to shed some positive light on the episode that pissed us off like no other. 
And remember, if everything truly does go down the drain one day... we’ll always have fanfiction. 
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alyblacklist · 4 years ago
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what was your reaction at the beginning of 8.04? cuz seriously that love scene was HOTTT. I was expecting maybe a kiss, or them waking up in bed together but not something THAT steamy. The writers spoiled us
Agreed. I think we (Keenler fans) got more out of that opening sequence than I ever hoped to get (and I was sure we were getting something after that door scene in 8x03, honestly). Special Kudos to Diego for the major role he played in making that scene really work, and to Cort Hessler (their Emmy-winning stunt coordinator), for directing it beautifully. 
Some sent me commentary on their opinions via ask about the Keenler scenes and compared them unfavorably to past scenes with Tom and Samar and clearly, we’re watching different shows (and ignoring past doubles) because the time and attention and cinematography paid to that Keenler scene was leaps and bounds beyond what I hoped for, and especially in COVID times. Other than Megan performing her own kisses (which, hello, COVID!) I thought the scenes in 8.04 exceeded anything we’ve gotten on the show to date. And funny how Diego’s comparable scenes on Homeland were characterized as hot in the press, but yet the anti-Ressler/anti-Keenler fans complain when it comes to TBL.
Bottom line: I’m not worried about their relationship AT ALL no matter what the rest of the season throws at us. Nothing else on the show comes close.  Keenler fans don't need to resort to Photoshop manipulations or extreme AU fanfics to support our ship (and I’ve always eschewed them) no matter what the louder voices on Twitter may say. Call it boring all you want, but I’ll take that very not boring opening sequence any day over any of that.
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piketrickfeet · 4 years ago
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tbl 8x03 thoughts
i've slept SO MUCH today
i'm still sleepy
oh are we gonna get some answers today???
doubtful
also i bought hades and it's dling rn but idk when i'll play lol
i just want to get this done
MY MOM CALLED ME THE OTHER DAY AND SHE WAS LIKE
i don't think katarina is dead. we didn't see her get shot.
i was like MOM WE DEFINITELY SAW HER GET SHOT
THERE WAS A GUN
THERE WAS GUN SHOTS
THERE WAS BLOODSPRAY
i do think maybe katarina isn't DEAD dead
but that remains to be seen i guess
oh if they're covering her in plastic then yeah she's probably dead dead lol nvm
(i can't tell if not showing her face is a mystery choice or a don't want to pay the actress and bring them to the studio during covid choice)
rofl NOW ARAM CALLS HER LIZ?!?!
oh lizzy :(
rofl cooper trying so hard to find liz and she just fuckin
walks in
i mean
they're not going to arrest, try, and convict a man who killed someone who for all intents and purporses doesn't exist
rofl liz isn't wrong
no one is gonna do anything
i think it's real rich of cooper to hold the task force up as some paragon of virtue
sure they've done a very very good job of bringing down criminals
but lets not fool ourselves thinking they're doing it for the greater good
ew don't call him harold
holy shit her hair looks amazing
also her coming up to aram is the cutest thing
oh liz
oh liz no
god i love aram
wait is this the same skip??
i thought he was british??
oh liz no oh no please stop
"it wasn't everything that you thought you saw"
oh fuck off
forbidden fudge
rofl ressler
my little keenler heart is BREAKING
oh gross
why wouldn't marvin go with him
"he loves you"
yeah he does
dembe my heart and soul
this is stupid
i can't keep all of raymond's lackeys straight lol
i don't see how people can say liz is dumb or whatever
like she is playing them all
if you don't think she's learned so much of this from red
you haven't been watching
that's a very sharp flip phone screen lol
do it liz
press it
oof
aram is DONE done lol
"do not ask me to bear witness to what you have done"
yo what a hard ass line
PARK LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
this is what i love to see!!!! liz making choices for HERSELF
granted some of them are dumb but
she's making them for herself!!!!!!!!!!
oh ho hoho
his little ouch when she hugged him
please
IT'S 7:30?!?!
i hate this lol
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codewordpumpkin · 4 years ago
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Genuine question, zero sarcasm
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... Is elizabeth seriously FUCKED IN THE HEAD??? Did Krilov mess with her that badly????
Even ignoring everything from the past seasons and focusing solely on the most recent ep: Liz betrays Red, Dembe, her friends and family in the Task Force + abandons her daughter all for... WHAT?
A WOMAN SHE KNEW FOR ABOUT TWO MINUTES??? ALL BECAUSE SHE’S HER BIOLOGICAL MOTHER??? GIRL, WHAT ABOUT YOUR OWN BIOLOGICAL DAUGHTER??? AND AFTER BEING RAISED BY SAM, SHE SHOULD KNOW THAT MERE BIOLOGICAL TIES DO NOT COMPARE TO THE FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT ACTUALLY LOVE YOU AND CARE FOR YOU AND SUPPORT YOU!!!!
Sorry for this sort of delayed, sort of random rant, but I really just can’t stop thinking about this
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