#targaryens have done weird shit in the family but now we crossed a very very bad line

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I wanted Jonerys to be canon since season 1 then season 7 happened and Dany pissed me off. I was introduced to Jonsa through your meta and it convinced me of Jonsa but let me tell you I haven't fully embraced them yet because I am skeptical. Most of the times the fans come up with these amazing metas only to be disappointed so I will not let myself get too attached to this ship. However what I want to know is that How did you start shipping Sansa and Jon? What made you see them as a couple?

First, sorry it took me forever to answer this ask. I’m so sorry, I got busy and I’m a terrible procrastinator.

I’m super honored that my little ole Jonsa meta introduced you to this ship and convinced you. You have no idea how happy that makes me. I don’t blame you for being skeptical tho anon. I’m used to shipping non-canon less obvious ships so it’s easy for me But I know a lot of people have a hard time latching on to things that are heavily built on subtext and go against what appears to be the more blatant direction the show or text wants you to go in. I’m a hoe for subtext and nuance so Jonsa was right up my alley but I know everyone isn’t like that So yeah I don’t blame you for not wanting to get attached because it’s hard to see good theories go to hell because sometimes viewers are smarter than the creators. I don’t think that’s the case with GOT/asoiaf which works in our favor.

So you want to know how did I start shipping Sansa and Jon and What made me see them as a couple. Here’s my journey:

When season 6 started I was looking forward to seeing what happened with Sansa. Last we saw her she was jumping off the walls of Winterfell with Theon. I knew it was inevitable that if she Survived the jump she would make her way to the wall and Jon. I had been waiting for a stark reunion for seasons and even tho Jon and Sansa were the last two I expected to reunite first, I couldn’t wait to see the reunion happen. I knew no matter what it would be emotional and satisfying. I was not prepared for how big the reunion felt and what came after. The way it was handled gave me serious emotions that I never expected to feel so strongly and found the way they handled to be interesting but I never looked deeper into it because I didn’t see a reason to. However the season continued and gradually Jon and Sansa’s relationship started to feel like a really big deal. It was more than just two starks coming together after all this time, it felt like the start of the resurgence of House Stark with Jon and Sansa at the center as equals. This was surprising to me because as I said I never ever predicted these two stark siblings to be the most linked as the series starts to get wind down. Every one of their interactions felt important and game changing even before I saw the potential for romance and it wasn’t just because they were starks but it was because of the way they were written and the way their scenes were framed. Sansa touching Jon’s hand felt huge even if I couldn’t quite figure how why. Sansa giving Jon his cloak modeled after their father’s felt like a monumental development, Jon deciding to fight a war he has no interest in fighting for Sansa and his family felt like it was huge for Jon. I felt like being around each other brought some important developments to both Jon and Sansa as characters at a crucial time and changed things for them and the entire plot of the show. Even without romance you just got the sense that these two people together were important for a reason beyond just being newly reunited siblings . The narrative centered the two of them and Sansa as a character in a way they had not done for Sansa and other couples in seasons prior and I didn’t know why at the time but I remember feeling like the answer to why would come and would surprise me and everyone else.

They very clearly put lots of effort into how they handled Jon and Sansa in season 6 and they were the driving forces behind the resurgence of house stark so it was clear that the future of the house connected to the two of them in some way. Marriage/romance just never crossed my mind because based on the knowledge I had Starks don’t do incest. When I noticed an odd tension that could be interpreted as sexual/romantic towards the end of season 6 (particular the tent scene, the forehead kiss and everything post BOTB) I brushed it off for the reason I mentioned above but my fascination with that tension never went away. It was there, but I didn’t know why and I couldn’t wrap head around a possible answer so I just didn’t dwell on it.

Season 6 ended with the Jon being a targaryen reveal and obviously that was a big reveal and would be major but IMO the moment Jon was named King in the North was the bigger game changer of the two. Jon had amassed power and loyalty before but it was always connected to the wall which was isolated from the rest of the storylines. Suddenly that wasn’t the case anymore and Jon is given power over the entire north. Suddenly Jon is in the middle of the game at a time where it’s stakes are about the be the highest they have ever been…..and only one person was at his side when it happened….Sansa. Jon being named King in the North shook me because up until that point he and Sansa were equals in the future of house stark, neither wanted to be elevated above the other. Jon didn’t even seem to want to be an equal he seemed content to hand Sansa what was rightfully hers. We even watch them discuss who would take the Lord’s chambers and both believe the other deserve it. They talk about being in this together and trust and it’s clear that they just want to rebuild their home together, as equals but then suddenly Jon becomes the power player. It made me wonder where that would leave Sansa, who clearly wants to be and deserves to be at Jon’s side and an equal. The scene where he’s named King even starts with Jon and Sansa side by side listening to their bannermen and the lords of the Vale together. At that point I was like “aww the stark siblings are gonna run Winterfell together this is perfect” then Jon is named King and Sansa is left at his side with an ambiguous expression on her face but appears to support him and I was stuck.

Jon being named King changed everything to me. Kings don’t run their kingdoms with their sisters unless they are a targaryen who’s married to one lol. Basically after that there was no way Sansa could truly be Jon’s equal unless she somehow became his queen and Sansa can’t be his queen because she’s his sister and Starks don’t do incest. Sansa clearly had a role to play in the north but now I wasn’t sure what that role was going to be. We went from a narrative where Jon and Sansa were centered to one where Jon alone is being centered when it comes to the north but I knew there was no way Sansa would just disappear into the background. LF had already let it slip that Sansa could sit at his side on the iron throne so Sansa was still a factor in the larger game. That was my line of thinking so it caused this dilemma where I wasn’t sure what to think or where this was headed but I knew that Jon and Sansa were not gonna be torn apart on season 7 like they wanted us to believe and that Sansa’s rise to power would not be ending with this.

Then season 7 started and Right away my confusion from the end of season 6 disappears. Immediately Sansa’s position is clear:

“Ned starks bastard has been named King in the North and that murdering whore stands beside him” -Ceresi Lannister

Right off the bat Sansa is positioned at a power player at Jon’s side, as a de facto queen, not as a sister chillen on the sidelines as her brother rules a kingdom. Cersei’s quote immediately stood out to me because it was an odd but direct parallel with Ceresi and Jamie. Ceresi rules as queen as her lover and brother stands at her side. It felt like an odd connection to make at the time but it fit and was too blatant to deny so my spidey sense immediately went off.

Next we actually see Sansa at Jon’s side in exactly the way Ceresi described. Jon attempts to rule with Sansa at his side and Jon clearly has command of his people but Sansa isn’t a silent passive prop like a sister of the king usually would be. Sansa intervenes in front of the Lords leading to some awkward tension and and confusion on my part.

Then we see them bicker and the way it’s framed becomes too obvious for me to ignore. They are framed like a husband and wife, they hit below the belt and compromise and seek validation from each other like married people do. Nothing about that Shit felt like two normal royal siblings so I was fascinated. They Lord over Winterfell like they are Ned and Catelyn reincarnated which is super weird for two siblings. There was also this sense that there was something being left unsaid between them. Like this weird tension that’s unexplainable didn’t just come out of nowhere. After this I was pretty much convinced that Sansa was gonna be positioned as a queen at Jon’s side and I found the prospect to be exciting and fascinating , but that confused me because I had the same block I had before…..how can Sansa be Jon’s queen when she’s his sister/cousin and Starks don’t do incest? I felt the urge to ship but shipping them romantically didn’t make sense because Starks and incest don’t go together. So once again I brushed my feelings off and stopped myself from shipping it thinking I was reading too much into it all.

In the following days after the premiere aired the stills for episode 2 dropped and we get a picture of Jon leaving Winterfell looking back at what’s more than likely Sansa with such hesitation and overwhelming affection in his eyes and we get one of Sansa looking out to Jon leave as if she’s saying goodbye to her husband aganist her will be she determined to hold their home down while he’s gone. I was like “holy shit why do they look like husband and wife separating” I was shook shook shookity shook. I was basically Jonsa trash from that moment on because the Shit was undeniable but I was still in denial because….you guessed it, Starks don’t do incest…..

Then somebody finally decided to put me on game and told me that Starks actually do practice incest between cousins and that Ned’s parents were cousins and that it’s actually really common in Westeros among noble houses and after that it all made so much damn sense I hopped my ass on board and knew I would be going down with this ship.

I started to see them as a couple and as a legitimate possibility because the politics made sense they always made sense and far more sense than any alternative. Sansa bend the key to the north since and being groomed for ruling since season 1 started to come full circle. The connection to build on was clearly there, they were so important to each other and came to each other at a crucial time. Their affection felt tangible even tho neither is keen on expressing it verbally. The two of them just fit and them being centered as the roots from which house stark gets to flourish once again in season 6 started to make all the sense in the world and appeared to indeed be deliberate like I thought it was. Sansa was clearly the queen the North needed and the queen Jon needed at his side. He would do anything for her, he would love her in a really pure and overwhelming way that she deserves after all she’s been through. They had a dynamic that allowed them to challenge each other and still have a very healthy and loving dynamic. Sansa and and Jon are better together. They share the same core values and beliefs and where one is weak the other balances them out.

they are at their best when they are closely bound and at the center of their house and nothing could seal that like a potential romance/marriage. Sansa was the balance that Jon needed to be the great ruler that he is clearly meant to be. Jon was the man that Sansa needed to make all the scars hurt a little bit less. I started to see them as a couple because they were framed as one and acted as one and could actually make a really great one. Once I realized that the incest hurdle was conquerable it was actually super easy to see Jon and Sansa as a couple and see them as a legitimate possibility for the future.

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Thoughts on Game of Thrones 07x07 The Dragon and the Wolf

Spoiler alert!!!

1. I'M NOT READY FOR THIS!!!

2. I wonder if we'll finally find out what happened to Yara. 3. Maybe we'll even see the Sand daughter dead. Ewww.... 4. Are we going to see a Sansa/Arya battle or are they going to band together and take down Littlefinger? 5. The Ice Dragon. That's a title for one of GRRM's books that isn't connected to the Seven Kingdoms saga. 6. Yes, Grey Worm! 7. Five minutes of Bronn and Jaime talking about dicks. 8. 500 more barrels? Better make that 5,000 more. 9. Is Bronn wearing guyliner? 10. Is Sandor REALLY teasing the undead guy? 11. Poor Cersei is gonna be SO disappointed the "silverhaired bitch" isn't there. 12. Awww, Pod and Tyrion are having a moment. 13. Bronn: "C'mon. You can suck his magic cock later." LMAO 14. Another great episode where we have people who have small connections all meeting together. 15. OMG, Sandor and Brienne smiling at each other. 16. I'm hyped for Clegane Bowl. It better happen! 17. Bronn and Pod run off and everyone left is uncomfortable as fuck. 18. This whole scene is tense. Jaime staring down Brienne. Cersei staring down Tyrion. Euron staring down Theon. 19. Sandor and Sir Gregor. Clegane Bowl foreplay? 20. Oh yeah, Dany making an entrance with her dragons. 21. Euron's trying to act like all that but he forgets he's nothing compared to Cersei at this point. 22. It's like a bad magic show trick. There's nothing in the box. 23. Suck on that, Cersei. 24. Of course, Qyburn is fascinated. 25. I was waiting for the thing to flip-off Jon Snow with it's disembodied hand. 26. Jaime and Euron looked like they were gonna piss themselves when Dany told them there were 100,000 undead. 27. Euron's gonna pussy-out! 28. Looks like Cersei won't be getting that marriage proposal. 29. Brienne pleading with Jaime and her face after....heartbreaking. 30. Oh shit, did Jon just fuck it up for everyone? 31. Tyrion knows they're fucked and he's going to go talk to his sister himself? Deathwish! 32. If anything, Tyrion would be put in the dungeons and tortured, then murdered. 33. Jaime loves Tyrion. They have a great dynamic. 34. Tyrion called Cersei's bluff. Nicely done. 35. Yeah, I'd say that calls for a stiff drink, too, bud.

36. It's so sad the last time Tyrion saw Myrcella, he was sending her away. I don't remember the last time he saw Tommen. 37. Cersei isn't seeing the bigger picture. Can't control an army of the undead. 38. Jon and Dany falling in love among the ruins of the Dragonpit. 39. Jon's right. Think about it - the witch was out to kill Khal Drogo. She could have easily lied to Dany so she wouldn't continue her bloodline. 40. Tyrion is back, and he's bringing the fam. 41. Damn it, Sansa, why are you still hanging out with Littlefinger?!? 42. What do you mean Arya WAS one of them? She still is! 43. What the hell is he doing? Is he trying to get Sansa to kill Arya? 44. Why did she come to Winterfell? Because it's her home, shithead! 45. Arya didn't dig up the scroll, Littledick did! (At this point, I'm about to throw something at the TV).

46. Arya NEVER wanted to be Lady of Winterfell. She made that clear when she was a child, and she's been consistent in her mission - to be a knight. 47. "All it takes is one angry man with a crossbow." And the video is on Tyrion when that's said. Foreshadowing? Callback? 48. The look on Jorah's face when she tells Jon "We said together." He's always gonna be friend zoned. 49. I'm not really getting the whole point of this exchange between Theon and Jon. 50. When Jon told Theon he didn't need to choose because he's a Greyjoy and a Stark, the same could be said for Jon - he's a Targaryen and a Stark. 51. Okay, I get the speech now. It's Theon's moment to be empowered before he goes to beat the living snot out of one of his men who's trying to flee. 52. Theon's gonna redeem himself. Right on! 53. Sansa's turning into Cersei. Fuck! 54. Arya doesn't really look spooked, but I'm sure she's feeling betrayed. 55. Say what now?!? 56. Holy shit! Littlefinger got out Littlefingered! 57. Finally, Bran is making himself useful! 58. Littlefinger forgets that Bran sees EVERYTHING. 59. I love watching the bastard begging and pleading for mercy. 60. And now he's on his knees. Still declaring his love for Sansa. Sick. 61. Bye, Littlefinger! 62. I don't anyone's death on this show was as satisfying as that one. 63. Are you kidding me?!? Cersei is still so short-sighted. 64. It's still all about HER. What a cunt. 65. All the money in the world isn't going to buy Cersei a victory. Her father would have told her that. 66. Oh, so Euron didn't puss-out. 67. Even if she married Euron, he'd probably kill her on their wedding night. Unless she killed him first. 68. WTF does she mean Jaime met Tyrion in secret without her consent? She claimed before that she knew. 69. Whoa! Sir Gregor's gonna take out Jaime? 70. Now both her brothers have called her bluff. She has a weakness for her family. 71. Cersei is alone. She's all she has left. I'm sure that's exactly how she wanted it. 72. Winter has come to King's Landing. 73. I hope Jaime and Brienne hook up next season. 74. SAM'S IN WINTERFELL!!!! 75. "I became the Three-Eyed Raven" - Yeah, we get it. Nobody but you really knows what that means. 76. "You saw this in a vision?" Bran holding up the scroll is so much shade. 77. So Sam WAS paying attention. But Gilly found it. 78. OMG, so beautiful! R+L wedding!!! 79. Rhaegar looks like Viserys. Ewwww!! 80. The comparison between R+L and J+D is awesome. It's like J+D were meant to be. 81. Why's Tyrion creeping? 82. HIS REAL NAME IS AEGON TARGARYEN?!? YES!!! 83. Oh yeah! Boat sex!

84. Bet you never thought you'd find eight inches of Snow in a boat, did you? 😏 85. Jon's the rightful heir. That's seriously going to put a wedge in that new romance. Unless they marry, of course. 86. Prediction: Jon gets Dany pregnant and their baby will be the prince/princess that was promised. 87. Arya knows she had her own calling. And they both survived their own hardships their own way. 88. It's nice to see them getting along. 89. "You're still very strange and annoying." Arya seems happy with that. 90. Ned would be so proud of his daughters. 91. Meanwhile, Bran's still being weird. 92. Eastwatch by the Sea - time to check in on Tormund and Beric. 93. Oh shit! White walkers have reached The Wall. 94. And they have giants. Just like the vision at the beginning of the season. Oh fuck! 95. Blue flames?!? BLUE FLAMES!!! 96. Viserion's wings are all ragged with rot and he's spouting BLUE FLAMES!!! 97. OMFG, the Wall is coming down!!!! 98. Please don't let Tormund or Beric die! 99. They're probably gone. Fuck! 100. Now the army of the dead is crossing the wall. So much for all that magical protection.

And now we'll have to wait until 2019 to find out how this all ends.