#swedish radfem

[handweavers]

you stupid swedish racist idiot i am not american and not talking about the us you just think anything that isn't Eurocentric is us centric + Swedes who move to Southeast Asia call themselves Expats like any other Westerner and I know this because I HAVE MET THEM + you're a radfem too so you should just kill yourself at this point

[unichrome]

are you a radfem?

no I'm Swedish

[lesbianp1lled]

radfems focus on shaving bc women are treated poorly if they don’t shave

There was a Swedish model who was sent extreme rape and death threats for doing a shoot with hairy legs,, she was blonde, the hair was SO light and people still found her disgusting.

Shaving is like wearing makeup. Why do women do it? Is it really “for themselves” or would they not shave if they didn’t feel the need to? What about body hair on women makes people uncomfortable?

I don’t think looking into that makes someone crazy

Ok it sucks for that woman but that is how the model industry is, if you’re not prepared for the criticism and people analysing you then you shouldn’t do it. Don’t interpret this the wrong way, I do think it’s horrible she got them threats but at the same time she was a model and the average person isn’t going to get those kind of threats for not shaving. You might get rude comments or staring but at that point it’s time to put your big girl pants on and just don’t let it bother you.

Radfems say the most basic things about womanhood and think it’s revolutionary. Of course shaving isn’t entirely just for yourself and most people know this. Like I said previously I don’t care if you shave or don’t shave, i’d never shame someone no matter what they do with their body because I simply don’t care.

Also I don’t shave anyway but if there is a point in the future where I did want to that would be ok because I don’t live my life wanting to fight the patriarchy for my every move just to get some validation from the chronically online radfems that don’t do any real life activism.

[bimboficationblues]

@torschlusspanikattack the “sex work = rape because of the impersonal domination of the market” is a nonstarter both because (contrary to your claim) we do have other language available for talking about forms of coercion/domination/exploitation, sexual or otherwise, and because it makes it impossible to parse personal harm that can/does take place in the course of sex work. it’s a framework that can’t distinguish between tricks that were okay or fine to deal with and times where you were physically assaulted or actively manipulated - it’s also clearly a holdover framework from before it was widely possible to make and distribute pornography or solicit virtual clients from your apartment in an afternoon.

the thing about “wage slavery” or like comparisons between waged labor and feudal forced labor is that many nevertheless still understand that it is not *literally* the thing it’s being compared to (I am not literally a slave or a serf for having to go to work, and frankly I think the whole comparison is unnecessary at all outside of rhetorical agitation - capitalist work is its own horror independent of any pre-capitalist social form). the radfem “prostitution = rape” framework fundamentally does not admit this, it is not a metaphor or even really a comparison, it is a statement that the two are identical. as is often the case in radfem stuff (the Swedish sex work law that was expressly designed to make Sweden apprar more feminist regardless of harms to actual sex worker, or liberal Mackinnonite theories/model codes of pornography as a violation of civil rights) it gets hung up on signifiers and symbols in a way that obfuscates actual harm - what sex workers would actually materially benefit from is secondary because at least we’ve prevented the abstract concept of rape (while creating incentives for tangible instances of it to occur). I don’t think that is a very good grounds for either a sexual ethics or a sexual politics (the latter of which is the thing actually at hand).

the other point is, frankly, not worth responding to! it’s just no-evidence intuition - the fact that people sometimes acquiesce to “quid pro quo” sexual harassment situations or remain in abusive situations when there are tradeoffs to leaving illustrates that your claim that people would always rather experience non-sexual coercion over sexual coercion is not like some universal law or even broadly true - it’s both overreaching, and takes what people might *think* about themselves to be the actual truth of how people behave. hell, the existence of people going into sex work as an alternative to other forms of coerced work disputes it - some people do so as a last resort, some don't, your framework needs to be able to account for both. (this is like when people are like "ooh prison is worse than the death penalty" - the people actually subject to the latter do not all think that!) we are literally responding to someone who says “this sphere of human activity isn’t innately different or special to me” and you’re going “I think it is, so it must be!”. and the whole “sex is a unique special ~sacred~ site of human activity” is both woowoo, and the underlying framework of the many forms of sexual repression that hide or naturalize sexual violence. the OP used the word mystification, and it was apt!

and it’s also just asinine to say “well you have to give radfems credit on these two points before you critique them” no, you don’t! that’s literally the point of critiquing them!

[robofucks]

hi I'm not new to tumblr. I'm robofucks, my name suggests what I do.

dni: minors, harry potter fans, dream smp fans, terfs, radfems, transmeds, otherkinphobic, objectumphobic, and other basic dni.

pronouns: it/its

More under the cut

tags you can block:

#objection-objectum -> post about objectum

#robo-recordings -> general posting tag, most text based

#robofuckery -> things about tech and stuff. Sometimes I wanna fuck them, sometimes I don't, but they all go under this tag.

other stuff to note

I'm objectum and I have possessions that I've attached to, and here are there names, relationship with them, and pronouns:

Grayson/Greyley -> a blanket with a soft grey side, and white sherpa on the other. (Platonic) (He/him)

Michaelwave/Mikes/Mikewave -> an LG smart microwave. They have a silver body with a black interface, and sing a lovely soft tune when done or at a halfway done mark. (Platonic) (He/him/they/them)

Topsy/LapLap/Spacebud -> my laptop. He has a silver chassis silver, but decorated with various space stickers of astronauts and rockets. (Platonic) (He/him/they/them)

Patches/Qilt -> a multi patch quilt with various patterns and colors on the topside, and a white underside. Torn and tattered as some patches on the topside and a hurt seam on the other. (Platonic) (She/hers/it/its)

Iggy -> My LG Stylo 4 phone. He has a silver white backside with one camera. He has a crack at the top of the left corner. She does not wear any cases. (Platonic) (He/him/she/her)

Peera -> My PC tower. Gamer's Republican brand/Asus ROG G10. The front of her case juts out, and has a singular jagged line of light. (Platonic) (She/her)

L3D (LED for screen readers)/Bub -> My monitor hooked up to Peera. I do not remember the brand. White case, small and minimalist. (Romantic/Platonic) (He/him)

Riez -> My BF's PC tower. Swedish brand. Three RGB lit fans inside, a clear side panel, and larger than Peera. The RGB fans can either go through all colors, or be selected to be on certain colors: Riez is mostly on the red one. (Platonic) (He/him/they/them)

[witchytakes]

they're funded by right wing, they're supported by LGB alliance (pretty much a right wing think tank), supported by many conservative GC's (not radfems just conservatives anti trans GC's like Kellie Jay Keen), but they are really not conservative, they believe gender identity is a choice very like conservatives did, they were against trans rights very much like right wing does, and quite ironic that their support didn't come from any left wing feminist organization

They are one of the organization behind Scotland self id ban, which was still a lot of bureocracy even with the self id, six months to get a new birth certificate, that's a joke, mate my country took that in two weeks in self id and nothing a single case of someone using self id to invade women spaces had happened in 7 years, I repeat seven fucking years, instead many of the trans women are thrown in male prisons even with the new birth certificate Curious that they still take from biased sources and not a single study lol only the swedish one who's pretty bullshit

but nobody talks about the trans experience in prisons lol

i really really really don't care about trans shit anymore. like it's just not a thought in my mind. I'm terrified. i went on instagram and the first post i saw was "trump said there are only two genders! that's awful" I DONT GIVE A SINGULAR FUCK? I'm terrified. I'm terrified for the earth, there's a nazi in the white house that gets control of a whole department, 4 hours into his presidency there was a sieg heil by musk, he will leave everything to states and i will have no protections. I'm scared that my birth control will be taken and i eventually die alone and bloody from pregnancy complications. im scared for how bold nazis and racists and misogynists are going to be. i don't want more drilling.

i don't give a fuck if he said there's only male and female. he's trying to distract you from all the horrific shit he wants to do

[lavendeerlesbian]

I hate to break it to you, but it's not trans people that are cutting their children off from all outside contact to control them. It's not trans adults that are isolating trans children. It's people that have decided transness is something that a child can be tortured out of. You know, just like you!

They literally are, though? Trans "elders" teach children what to say to streamline them into getting them on hormones, or how to get CPS to take them away from their parents who don't immediately agree to put them on hormones, scare them into thinking they will die if they don't get immediately affirmed by their parents, will literally give them hormones behind their parents' backs, etc. Why else would we have such a major influx of people identifying as trans, as well as a major influx of detransitioners? Why do you think the Tavistock Gender Clinic in the UK is currently being sued by 1,000 families of people who were rushed into transitioning? Or why Sweden and Finland have changed their recommendations and do not encourage physical transition anymore? There's even a Swedish documentary about children being given poor care by the industry, I'll link it to you.

Contrary to what you might believe, radfems don't just hide from the world and spread around hate for no reason. Radfems regularly engage with contrary opinions and look at all povs (not cult behavior). Radfems don't try and control what other people consume, don't follow the BITE model, don't encourage others to isolate or change their identities, etc.

[discourselover3000]

Words are defined by how they are most commonly used. That use can change and evolve over time. For example, "man" used to refer to all humans, but evolved to only refer to men through common usage changing.

Vagina is used to refer to a specific hole in a specific location on a human body. A vagina is most commonly associated with female humans, though there are variations on this because humans are complex beings and do not all neatly fit into one of two boxes. For example, genital reassignment surgery performed on trans women results in a new hole being created which is referred to as a vagina by scientists and by society as a whole. Because it looks like a vagina and functions like a vagina and is placed where a vagina should go.

If a cis woman gets a total hysterectomy, her vagina doesn't suddenly stop being a vagina because it doesn't lead to a cervix and uterus anymore. If a cis man has erectile dysfunction and low sperm count his penis doesn't suddenly stop being a penis because it doesn't perform the "correct" functions.

"socioeconomic factors aren't an excuse for sexual assault"

You are correct. Unfortunately, the Swedish study does not break down the types of crime exhibited by the participants. Just crime and violent crime. Violent crime could mean sexual assault. But it could just as easily mean "I got into a bar fight and we were both changed with assault". (And it's very easy to get dragged into a fight when society as a whole hates you). It could just as easily mean "I got caught shoplifting and pulled out a knife to escape". And while we're on the subject, sex crimes could just as easily be crimes relating to prostitution and sex work as they could be sexual assaults. Historically, sex work has been one of the only avenues of employment for trans people, so you can't ignore that, especially for older studies.

While an internal sense of gender isn't a universal experience, it is a pretty common once. And not just for trans people. My mother, for example, has a very strong sense of gender. She just "feels like a woman". She's not super stereotypically feminine, she doesn't cling to gender roles or anything. She actually has quite a few radfem beliefs. She just, has an internal sense of gender. So she believes when other people say they do.

Even if you refuse to believe that your experience is not universal, and completely reject the idea that other people have an internal sense of gender, you don't have to be a dick about it. Pronouns are far more closely linked to the social categorisation system of gender than they are to sex. So if a "male" asks to be referred to with she/her pronouns, does that really hurt anyone? Does it really matter at all? Surely doing so helps deconstruct and destroy the social concept of gender, which is part of the goal of radical feminism as far as I understand it. Or why not refer to every single human with they/them pronouns, regardless of sex or gender? That'd also break down the social ideas around gender.

As for medical transition, the science shows it's the most effective treatment for gender dysphoria we've found. Hrt is very low risk, and results in significant improvements in mental health and general wellbeing for trans people (which is actually one of the conclusions of the Swedish study y'all love citing as proof trans women are dangerous). And, funnily enough, once trans people are established on hrt, it's more medically correct to treat them as their gender identity for most areas of medicine. I'm serious. Trans men have very similar health risks to cis men, and visa versa for trans women. To the point where there is some evidence that trans men on testosterone may have some prostate tissue (though it's not in the same place as it is for most cis men).

Surgery is a little riskier (though it's no more dangerous than any other surgery), but again it's results are overwhelmingly positive. Gender affirming surgery has a lower regret rate than hip replacements. You can scream all you want about not "feeding into delusions", but if chopping of a schizophrenic person's arm would cure their schizophrenia, I'm pretty sure the medical consensus would be more in favour. Not to mention the fact that there are many conditions where going along with what the patient says is the most humane course of action, for example when dealing with alzheimer's patients.

And yeah, periods are in fact caused by hormones. That's basic biology. A uterus doesn't spontaneously start bleeding on its own, the entire menstural cycle is governed by hormones. That's why menopause happens. That's why you can prevent your period by taking the correct combination of hormones. Yeah, we could come up with a new term to refer to the period symptoms that trans women on hrt experience (and there's probably several out there already). But all that'd do is add even more confusion, and could very easily result in healthcare failure. (For example, pmdd can be debilitating and even deadly, and trans women can in fact get it. By calling the period symptoms trans women experience a period, it helps them understand that they could be suffering from it, and helps healthcare professionals treat it accordingly)

It’s genuinely baffling how gendies just make up random scenarios that have never fucking happened once. Like I could bring up statistics and personal experiences that prove trans women retain a male pattern of sexual violence (and violence in general) and they’ll stamp their feet and be like “BUT NOT ALL TRANS WOMEN” . When they can’t even name a single event of a radfem brutalizing trans identified males. Radfems do not wish violence upon trans individuals. We just do not believe in “gender”.

I also think their comment on intersex reveals some insight into the way these people view bodies. Because if you research, intersex women literally cannot have a penis. They can grow something similar to testes, but that’s it. An intersex woman could have an enlarged clitoris that APPEARS like a penis, but would have an entirely different function.

This is the same argument they have for intersex men, who sometimes can have “holes” but they don’t lead anywhere. They don’t have a uterus. This line of thinking “well, it LOOKS like this, therefore, it IS this” is so prevalent in their community. An intersex male has a micropenis and didn’t have normal male puberty? Well, he’s basically a woman!

And they don’t see how misogynistic this is. The equivalent would be noticing a woman who went through anorexia and therefore ‘skipped’ puberty and has a flat chest is now a man.

Lastly even if there was a magical intersex person that had both functioning male and female genitals (never been found, this literally cannot exist in the human body due to conflicting hormone amounts needed for both sets of genitals to function), a male could still not identify as a woman. Because a woman is not an identity. Just like how I can’t “identify” as intersex.

Women with a beard and deep voices and clitorises that appear like penises… are still women! Women who have gone bald are still women. Women who are extremely thin or obese are still women… etc etc

[female-eren]

i’m sending this around to like every radfem blog i follow found an interesting paper https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/ on trans offence rates

Skimmed it, and it looks legit. I know there are some problems with citing the Swedish study but idk it's still valuable

[femsolid]

Hi, is your page also to be used for advertising meetups or something like that? Because i was wondering if there are some women/girls from stockholm who would like to do some things together but i have no idea how to connect with people. If not, do you know some other websites/pages that could help me finding other feminists nearby?

It's difficult for me to help you since I can't speak swedish. But more generally, to find feminists in your area you need to look at volunteer organizations and known feminist groups around you. Look at what other women are already doing. Are there women's shelters? Protests? Actions? Petitions? Disruptions? Contact the organizers or individual women who participate and say you want to help. They're usually all on social medias so you can try to reach them here. Even if the women are liberals, you can do positive things for women together and even use this opportunity to offer a more radical perspective to the group.

There is a very active radical feminist community on facebook with loooots of groups sometimes divided by country, you might want to look into that, maybe there are groups for swedish radfems? I know there are many discords as well, maybe some that organize global meet ups or actions? And there was a tumblr post that was going around with women adding their locations to find women close to them but I can't find it right now.

And don't forget that you can also start your own group, your own organization, your own community, your own project if you find it lacking where you are. Where I'm from, one woman decided to start writting the names of every woman murdered by a man on the walls of the streets, in big letters. She wasn't alone for long. Now every big city in the country (and sometimes even abroad) has its own group dedicated to doing the same, to shine a light on male violence.

[terfslying]

do you know of any studies or arguments to debunk the claim that "transwomen are socialised male", so therefore more prone to violence? i keep seeing this argument and i know its wrong but i just dont know how to debunk it. any help from you i would appreciate !!

It doesn’t focus on the socialisation side, but the only study I’ve seen used on this topic is the 2011 Swedish Study. Several radfem authored studies cite it as their own supporting proof for that idea - and deliberately misinterpret it. The very top link in my pinned post goes to a post which talks about it. But tl;dr

The study used the words “male pattern criminality” or “male pattern convictions” to describe a pattern of increased convictions, which is often interpreted by radfems as violence against women or violence in general, however:

The records did not have any access to type of conviction: it includes any and all convictions e.g. shoplifting & theft, public urination, & sex work related convictions

It used records from 1960 to 2010

Trans women were more likely to commit crimes... prior to 1980

If you remove pre-1980 records from the group, that pattern disappears

So what happened in 1980, you might wonder? Well Sweden granted a variety of lgbt rights acts from 1979 to 1980 including non-discrimination laws for workplaces and healthcare providers, and recognition of same sex civil partnerships

The author of that study is a quite prominent pro trans rights researcher and she has gone on multiple AMAs and publications to point out that the conclusion was that more rights = less crime, and that “male pattern crime” doesn’t mean violent crime, it just means more convictions on average.

[anarchotolkienist]

Cissi Wallin is speedrunning the radfem to reactionary pipeline, it seems. After her transphobia finally became impossible to ignore following Kajsa Ekmans (another TERFs) book on the subject a few months ago, she's been writing opinion pieces condemning feminist activism and attacking 'political correctness', and most recently 'replied' to criticism by calling her critic... a triggered lib unable to respond to FACTS and LOGIC. Assuming she'll make a good middle class living writing rubbish for right-wing journals, and maybe a book deal or two included. It's so fucking blatant, so disgustingly shameless, what she's doing - and the swedish press, of course, buys it - we need to "platform the debate" and "ohhh the controversy" - so the grift will once again be succesfull. Fucking gross.

[anti-porn-unicorn]

hi its egirlkomrade on tik tok! i actually do have sources and so does my comrade nothing.about.us. one of her videos specifically lists over 10 articles and peer reviewed studies. You might want to check that out. She works and lives under the nordic model in canada and is very informed on its effects. I am an anthropologist so I tend to focus on and read ethnographic work. A good primer for SW concerns with nordic model is the following report: https://www.nswp.org/sites/nswp.org/files/20_years_of_failing_sex_workers.pdf

this report is first hand accounts from sex workers on the swedish implementation of nordic model. This advocacy group NSWP has literally dozens of similar reports. nothing.about.us has recommended more statistically driven reports and papers in their nordic model series so you should check those out. also you claim that we are “liberal feminists”. I think you might have missed the bit where I am a literal communist and marxfem. If you need more sources let me know.

Sorry if I missed a bunch of stuff! I didn’t have a lot of time to check so I just looked at a few videos. I’ll check out the sources! I don’t know much about Marxist feminism beyond the definition I learned in a class so that’s part of why I misunderstood!

I will say I’m a tiny bit biased towards the Nordic model- I grew up around a man who hired a prostitute and got arrested, and I’m so glad he got in trouble because I don’t want to imagine what would have happened if he continued working around kids. He was already flirting with a 13 year old, lord knows how much worse that could have been.

I also know even devout radfems acknowledge that the Nordic model has been implemented poorly. But it is nice that all these groups of feminists have the same goal- safety and human rights for sex workers. It’s been refreshing to see lately.

[werevulvi]

Finally someone i can relate to somewhat. I like the effect of mtf hrt for the most part but i don't want to forget (or pretend to not know) that i'm a bisexuabl male with a chemically modified body. I am fairly stranded communitywise (ironically gc spaces worsened my dysphoria so i couldn't remain in them) which always brings a cutting sorrow of not having a 'home' but it's kinda good to see people who are on a similar wavelength even if i'm never going to truly meet you. Keep thriving queen!

Hi! I can totally see why gc spaces make your dysphoria worse... I've been noticing that many gc circles (especially radfem) tend to be a bit (lot) anti-male, so if it's those you came across, it's no surprise to me that it made your dysphoria worse. And I'm really sorry about that! I can only imagine that hearing you're some kinda evil oppressor for just how you were born physically can make you hate being male even more. I don't view it quite so harshly. Sure, a few (or a lot) of males were socialised very badly and thus turned out crap humans.

But it's not because of their biology that they're crap humans, and I would never condemn anyone for just the way they're born. I've known horrible men, but also very wonderful men. And most MtF's I've met, I've struggled to relate to, but they've been decent people just living their lives. I don't hate males, I can't agree with that sorta sentiment. I hate how some aspects of male socialisation teaches many men to hate women, but that's hardly the same thing, and I think it's an important distinction to make. Those semantics really do matter.

Point is, it makes sense to me why feminist, and female focused gc spaces, would make a dysphoric male/MtF even more dysphoric instead of less. Let's be honest: they give you all the reasons to hate being male.

And then what other gc spaces are there? Well, the conservative right (many of whom also Christian) comes to mind, and although they're less likely to hate on men, they do have a tendency to be uncomfortably anti-gay and anti-gnc, which... I dunno about you, but that makes at least me incredibly uncomfortable, if not even badly upset. Even those who aren't outright hateful towards gays/lesbians/bisexuals and gender non-conforming people, the vibe is just not very welcoming. That kinda gender critical community is not gonna help any gnc/same sex attracted person feel good about themselves either.

(I'm clearly stating the obvious here, but I think it's important to point out these issues with gc communities, just in case you don't know why they make you feel bad, and in case you want to know. If not... I'm sorry for salting your wounds!)

And that's about it when it comes to gender critical spaces, aside from individual people who aren't really aligned with any specific ideology, but still criticise gender ideology harshly, and/or help raise the voices of those who do. Posie Parker, Benjamin Boyce, Joe Rogan, and Arielle Scarcella come to mind. They're gender critical to varying degrees, but not particularly conservative, nor radfem. Although I've rarely ever seen any gc stuff that's actually positive towards males, that doesn't turn around and say stuff like "I hate men" and "femininity is gross on men" or "don't be gay" etc the very next second. So if I had been male instead, and still dysphoric, I'd probably be having a very difficult time accepting my sex too.

As I've been saying (mostly to myself) lately: we're not broken, the world is.

I feel pretty stranded communitywise too, actually. I have like one foot in the radfem/gc circles and the other foot in trans circles, neither of which really like me criticising them. I mean, it's probably just very human to not like being criticised for one's opinions, but... yeah basically gc's sometimes think I'm either "still in the trans cult" for not wanting to get rid of my physical masculinity, or they think I'm a man pretending to be a detrans woman, and they don’t like that I disagree with some of their views. The trans masses on the other hand generally have far more issues with me, my opinions and my identity. They would have be beheaded for less than just looking a little suspicious!

But here's the thing: I think trying to not rely on a community to feel loved and accepted is probably very important. There will always be individual people who love and support you, and agree with things that matter to you. These individuals can come from all sorts of ideological backgrounds, but what ties you together is true friendship, not community, which only mimmicks friendship in an often political way. I'm trying my best to focus on those individuals in my life (which really is just a handful of people) instead of trying desperately to find a whole community that will love and support me. Because that's probably not gonna happen. I am too provocative with my womanhood, and will always keep questioning everything. I don’t actually want to settle ideologically. I want to keep evolving and learning. The way I view myself doesn't really fit into any set ideology, because it’s a combination of things that matter to me personally. It is tailored to fit me and only me. And I think that's what's causing the friction. I'm ideologically a freeloader, or nomad, and thus, I get along best with others who also ideologically freeload.

Alas... I still feel that "ideological homelessness" too, and it does hurt. I think it might just be a result of too much ideological couch surfing. I'm always a guest, but never at home. Thus, I am always treated as a guest, and viewed with more scepticism. Who am I to barge into THEIR community? However, I still have a home, ideologically. It’s just that I’m the only one living there. And I think that might be applicable to you too: you do have an ideological home, you just live alone. That can be lonely, but it also allows you to think more freely and be more genuine about your opinions. Thank you, I want you to thrive too! Meeting irl might not happen on random like that, no, as I'm suspecting you don't live on the same Swedish island as me... but if you think an online friendship might be worth a shot... it's totally okay to send me a pm! I will warn you though, that I have a tendency to ignore people for a few weeks here and there though, as my sensory overload gets the best of me... really a lot. It's a challenge to be my friend, but some have told me it's really rewarding once they do get to know me. It's up to you! But I get the feeling that we might get along well.

[antiterf]

So TLDR, terf made a really bad shit take which I’ve basically completely debunked, however, the og shit take is still going around radfem communities and gaining traction. I was sent here by another blog who recommended I get your help. Is there anything I can do to get more traction to the post debunking it because I really don’t want misinformation that can cause harm to trans people floating around here unchallenged, though I also don’t want to give any exposure to the OP either

I found the post your talking about on your blog and while I did read a good portion of the post up until the studies you were linking one after one. My reading and writing speed is... not exactly fast and I'm pretty sure I got the point.

You can blur out the url and post screenshots separately so that way its not linked back to the op. Then you can link the sources separately below. This makes it so that terfs can't go back to the op just to reblog the version you've already dunked (which does happen).

You can also make a short essay in a way. You can sum up the terfs arguments and make the counter arguments worded out in some sort of document. This is a lot easier to navigate than a post and it can allow you to link with less clutter by putting a works cited at the end.

To have those posts gain traction in themselves, you can @ me in them and I'll reblog them. You can give other more popular discourse blogs an @ too as a try.

Even if it doesn't gain much in the end (because, well, most people don't come onto tumblr for essays or long discourse) you can feel a bit better knowing that the topic in itself is argued against a lot. I'll add it to my long Google doc of sources too.

Also, from the way you talked it seems that you like debate, so I do have a few suggestions.

1 is that you shouldn't source dump, it just intimidates your opponent and doesn't add much to your argument after a while.

Social media is also not your target audience to do this with. And the main reason why I can be a bit slow with reading is because of my adhd, and learning disorders that make reading long blocks of text incredibly difficult.

2 is that another issue with the Swedish study is that the main researcher in the study saw terfs and other transphobes were using it against transition, and actually brought up that trans people did improve and that the main issue Was discrimination and prejudice.

[self-loving-vampire]

The most telling thing about the JKR essay is how her “research” and points are like... selective enough that she obviously didn’t just sit down and look things up, she specifically searched for and quoted fringe (and often deliberately dishonest) views pushed primarily by radfems and “concerned” conservatives.

Like, even a superficial understanding of trans people reveals that transition helps them and detransition is both extremely rare and primarily the result of social disapproval, but she still presents it like a common thing and references the flawed “trans desistance” study, among other things.

It’s like she only reads or believes information scraped off the radfem echo chamber and dismisses/ignores everything else.

Radfems (and other political groups to be fair) do that a lot. Even when their misinformation is exposed as false they just pretend they didn’t hear and repeat it later. It’s why that one Swedish study is still going around in their circles despite the author herself telling as many people as she can reach that they are misrepresenting the findings.