#swedish nagant

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Minute of Mae: Swedish Nagant 1887

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Swiss Bern 1882, Military Revolver, 7.5mm

Swedish Nagant revolver 7.5 mm Revolver m/1887

[peashooter85]

Swedish Model 1887 double action revolver in 7.5mm Nagant

from Hermann Historica

[goldenkamuyhunting]

So, who killed Olga and Fina?

As usual, when a new volume is released, Noda edits the chapters in it which often results in us getting additional info.

In this case Noda added a scene which implies how Tsurumi somehow recovered the bullet which killed his wife and child.

I’ve not the translation of the additional parts yet but, as you can see, the bullet recovered is tiny.

Now, which were the weapons being used by the people involved in the fight?

Kiro was using a machine gun.

My speculation is this one is a Maxim gun.

It works with plenty of cartridges: 7x57mm Mauser, .303 British, .30-06 Springfield, 7.92x57mm Mauser, .577/450 Martini–Henry, 7.62x54mmR.

Sofia has a rifle.

My speculation is this one is a Berdan II (M1870) rifle.

It also works with plenty of cartridges: 10.75×58 mmR; 24 gram paper-patched round nose lead bullet, 5 gram black powder; cartridge also known as .42 Berdan or 4.2 Line Berdan, 7.62×54mmR 

Wilk has a gun and yes, although in the magazine version we don’t see him using it, in the volume version he does so more than once.

My speculation is this one is an early Nagant model.

It’s hard to find info on early Nagant models as web tend to cite the much more popular Nagant M1895.

The problem is the Russian emperor was murdered in 1881 and Kiro said they met Hasegawa around 10 years after, which would make the year be 1891. Sure, he’s not exactly precise so it can be we’re a little after it but in 1893 Tsurumi was back in Japan grooming Usami so at most it can be 1892, hence Nagant M1895 wouldn’t be produced yet.

So the Nagant models which existed in that time period were the Belgian M1878 and M1878-86 in 9.4mm, the Norwegian M1883 in 7.5mm, the Swedish M1887 in 7.5mm, the Serbian M1891 in 7.5mm, the Brazilian M1893 in .44 caliber and several others.

I’ll speculate more and say that’s probably a Swedish Nagant M1887 revolver in 7.5mm because visually seems to match more to that one. It’s still hard to say as the draws don’t show it perfectly.

It’s worth to note the secret police too is apparently using the same type of gun Wilk is using.

Now... I'm not a cartridge expert but the catridges for the gun Wilk had and the rifle Sofia had are different.

The visual implies Tsurumi thinks of Wilk as he watches the bullet, not of Sofia.

So, if Tsurumi holds Wilk accountable for Fina and Olga’s death and not Sofia, who instead hold herself accountable, it means the cartridge he pulled out was the one of a gun, not of a rifle.

The only thing that can be said at this point is it’s possible it wasn’t Wilk who shoot them but the escaping Russian secret policeman. As he too had the same gun and remained out of sight he could have done so, maybe mistaking her for another partisan... although, to be honest, the problem would be Sofia would have heard the shoot.

Tsurumi might have done the same reasoning and figure that, if Sofia felt responsible it meant she didn’t hear the soldier shooting at Fina and Olga... but she hadn’t shoot them herself either as the bullet was wrong.

So he blames Wilk... because it’s psychologically better than blame himself. He caused the whole situation, he caused it with his spy work, with continuing to giving lessons to Wilk and Co once he learnt who they were, with being discovered, with not managing to persuade Fina to stay away, with giving to Kiro his Maxim gun so they could fight better.

Whoever shot Fina and Olga clearly didn’t mean to kill just a random woman and a baby, it was done in the heat of the battle as they were exchanged for enemies.

Tsurumi deep down knows that Fina and Olga died DUE TO HIM and it doesn’t really matter who fired the bullet, HE was the reason due to which it was fired. It’s just the pain it’s probably too big and he can’t cope.

Well, for a loving father it should be a terrible agony to lose his own child... and if he feels he is the cause of his own loss it should feel even worse.

Anyway, we’ll see if more info will come up, be them from Noda, from translators or from cartridges experts!

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I almost bought a really nice old Swedish Nagant revolver last weekend, but then I looked up the ammo price and availability.

That’s the real bitch of Unique Pistols. My Desert Eagle is a blast to shoot but it’s been a long time since I could afford $2 a bullet with any regularity

[oscaronthegloryroad]

Like a lot of young boys I grew up with a love and respect of firearms, perhaps more than the average young boy because my dad collected (and still does to some degree) antique and unusual military firearms like the Hakim rifle which is an Egyptian made copy of the Swedish AG/M42 rifle chambered in 8mm Mauser or the Russian SVT-40 which looks somewhat like what you might find if you googled “scary looking assault rifle” even though it is a main battle rifle that was adopted by the Russian government in 1940 to replace the obsolete Mosin-Nagant 1891/30 rifle (Ah, yes. I am aware that the Russian army continued to use the 91/30 all the way through the second world war and beyond, but that was because those were super cheap to make and switching over the produce the SVT-40 would have cost the same as building about 5 thousand 91/30s, just for the tooling. Not to mention that you can hand a 91/30 to a peasant farmer who has never held a gun before and march him toward germans with no training while you would have to actually train a man you wanted to handle the much more complicated SVT.).

I have gotten horribly off track.

Basically, I like weird firearms and probably will retain any that I inherit, but I have come to the conclusion that I wish that there were companies that made airsoft replicas of weird/unconventional firearms because you can’t (usually) kill someone with an airsoft gun and you can go out and shoot it in your backyard (in most places, as long as you are safe about it.

[hermanwatts]

20th Century Small Arms: The Cold War

World War 2 had shown that small infantry units could do more with increased firepower. The German Sturmgewehr 44 pointed the direction to the future with select fire capability and a less powerful cartridge.

The bolt action rifle still had some life in it. The first Arab-Israeli War fought in 1948 mainly with bolt action rifles with Mausers vs. Lee-Enfields yet again. The Portuguese were still using Mausers in Africa in the late 1950s.

The Swedes had developed a self-loading rifle, the AG-42 (Ljungman) in 1942. 30,000 were produced, so the Swedish Army was never fully outfitted with a self-loading rifle.

Nothing like defeat to make you change your ways. The French adopted the MAS 49 which fired a 7.5 mm cartridge. It had a 10 round detachable magazine and weighed 8.6 lbs. It saw service in Indochina, Algeria up through the 1970s.

MAS 49

Fabrique Nationale in Belgium had been working on a self-loading rifle design before World War 2. The result ws the FN Model 49. It had a 10 round detachable magazine and fired the Mauser 8 mm, .30-06, and Nato 7.62 x 51 mm cartridge. Initial sales were to Venezuela, Colombia, Egypt. There was a battalion of Belgians in the Korean War who used the FN Model 49. Someone told me of footage of French troops at Dien Bien Phu armed with Model 49s. It earned a good reputation in Korea. As good a rifle as it was, it would be eclipsed by the FN FAL. More on that in a little bit.

FN Model 49

The Soviets had fought World War 2 mostly with the bolt action Mosin-Nagant rifle and the PPsH series of submachine guns. They were intrigued by the German 7.92 x 33 mm cartridge used in the Sturmgewehr 44. The Soviets developed their own intermediate cartridge, 7.62 x 39 mm, and planned on four weapons built around the cartridge. The results were the SKS rifle, the AK-47 assault rifle, the RPD light machinegun. There had been a plan to produce a bolt action carbine, but someone wisely asked, why? The SKS was the first produced. It holds 10 rounds. It was quickly eclipsed by the AK-47 which fitted with Soviet doctrine of spray and pray at a short distance.

SKS

The Korean War amazingly was fought with a lot of bolt-action rifles. The British were still using their Lee-Enfields, most “UN” troops used American supplied M-1s. The North Koreans had a mix of captured Japanese and Soviet supplied equipment. The Chinese troops committed in November 1950 had a lot of captured American equipment taken from the Nationalists. They also had Chinese Mausers and Japanese Arisakas. T. R. Fehrenbach wrote in This Kind of War the Chinese were using sub-machine guns almost exclusively once battle lines became a stalemate in mid-1951. I have not been able to find a picture of North Koreans or Chinese using SKS rifles in the Korean War. David Hackworth mentions North Koreans using SKS rifles in his biography, but he might have been mistaken. The Soviets had a habit of sending their oldest equipment from warehouses for international revolution. They did it in the 1930s selling old Lebels and other flotsam and jetsam to the Spanish Republicans. Maybe a few SKS were sent to the North Koreans to try on battlefield conditions but I have seen no evidence of it.

The Americans found out the M-1 rifle lacked fire power against human wave attacks of Chinese hordes. The search was on for that elusive weapon that would combine submachine gun, self-loading rifle, and light machine gun.

The British had been working on a smaller cartridge for a new rifle. They came up with the 7 x 43 mm cartridge. To my mind, this is an almost perfect size for assault rifles. They also developed a revolutionary design, the EM-2 assault rifle with a “bull-pup” configuration. A bull-pup has the magazine behind the trigger allowing for a shorter barrel length. The EM-2 was adopted briefly by the British Army but killed when Winston Churchill was elected Prime Minister. The story is he made a deal to go with the new American 7.62 x 51 mm cartridge.

EM-2

The U.S. Army adopted the M-14 in 1957 using the 7.62 x 51 mm bullet. It was 80% M-1 but longer. It did have a better range but uncontrollable on full auto. The story goes that the U.S. would adopt the FN FAL if NATO adopted the 7.62 cartridge. Col. Studler of Army Ordnance supposedly said the U.S. Army was not going to adopt a foreign cartridge nor a foreign rifle. A shame as the FN FAL combined with the British 7 x 43 mm cartridge would have been a winner.

Opinions vary on the M-14. It was long and heavy but accurate. It did not work so well in very cold conditions and the stock would swell in humid conditions.

M-14

The AK-47 obviously had the German Sturmgewehr 44 as inspiration in configuration. There are some differences internally with the bolt system. The Soviets had problems producing the stamped receivers the way the Germans did with the Sturmgewehr 44. It was not until the late 1950s they had the technology to do so. The AK-47 was then cheaper to produce than the SKS. I like the SKS. It is a fun rifle to shoot. One blog referred to it as the cockroach of rifles, it just won’t go away. The Chinese took up the SKS with enthusiasm as it fit in with their doctrine of ambush and sniping.

AK-47

One interesting rifle was the Czech vz 52. This rifle from the early 50s borrowed from the M-1 Garand and used the intriguing 7.62 x 45 mm cartridge. Again, a cartridge in that sweet spot for military rifles. The Soviets made them change to the 7.62 x 39 mm cartridge in the late 1950s. This rifle was exported for Third World insurgencies. This way the Soviets had plausible denial on accusations of supplying revolution.  The Cubans bought a bunch and used them. I am curious which version was used in their African adventures in the 1970s and 80s.

VZ 52

The Czechs also produced a superior assault rifle, the vz 58 that replaced the vz 52. It resembles the AK-47 but uses a different design.

As I said last week, jungle warfare puts a premium on size, weight, and fire power. The M-14 was the wrong weapon for Vietnam. Enter the M-16 rifle. It had its genesis in the late 1950s with Eugene Stoner at ArmaLite. Armlite had a background in airplane design. The AR-10 fired the NATO 7.62 x 51 cartridge but lost out to the M-14 during the 1956 Springfield Armory trials. Meanwhile, Armalite developed the AR-15 which was smaller and fired the 5.56 x 45 mm cartridge. The AR series borrowed some things from the Sturmgewehr 44. The U.S. Air Force bought 8,500 rifles. 1,000 of those rifles were sent to South Vietnam for field testing. U.S. Special Forces started using the AR-15 in 1963.

M-16

Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara killed the M-14 in January 1963. The were birthing problems with the AR-15, now called the M-16. Accusations of sabotage by Army Ordnance has been made including the lack of cleaning kits, wrong powder, lack of chromium lining to the barrel. In time, these issues were worked out. The 5.56 mm cartridge is on the light side being .223. Some refer to it as a glorified varmint gun. There are apocryphal stories of the 5.56 failing to penetrate the jungle in fire fights, or “cut the brush” as some vets have said to me. Meanwhile, the FN FAL gave a stellar performance to Australian troops that served in Vietnam. The FN FAL was adopted all over the world and became known as the “right arm of the free world.”

The M-14 did make a comeback as a sharpshooter/sniper rifle in the U.S. Army where it gets high marks.

I have heard over 50 million AK-47s have been produced over the years. It has the reputation of ruggedness. Drop it in the mud, wipe it off, and it will fire. Accuracy is said to be another matter. A well- trained soldier can shoot the AK-47 with practice. The M-16 has bested the AK in the hands of poorly trained conscripts in Iraq or tribal militias in Somalia.

It seems most of the changes in more recent times with rifles has been with ergonomics. Rifles have been made lighter and more comfortable to hold and shoot.  The biggest change in the past 30 years has been the adoption of more and more bull pup designs by Britain, France, and the Communist Chinese.

Uzi

The submachine gun continued to have a role. Uzi Galil created the famous Uz submachine gun that was adopted by the Israeli Army in 1954. Heckler & Koch came out with the MP5 in 1965 that appears to be a favorite of security details.

Who knows, there might be some revolution in cartridges around the corner the way smokeless powder changed things in the 1880s. I can remember back in the 80s talk of fletchettes being adopted or even small particles propelled by electric charges. Variations on the AR-15 and AK-47 continue to dominate for the time being. There has been some talk of the U.S. Army adopting a 6.5 mm cartridge to provide something harder hitting.

I think one area for innovation will be for carbines used by para-military forces/constabularies/ gendarmeries in Fourth Generation Warfare. Something along the lines of the M-1 carbine using a cartridge not too powerful for urban settings but light and compact.  A weapon using the 9 mm pistol cartridge with an extended barrel longer than a pistol for increased range and muzzle velocity might be one direction. Personal Defense Weapons (PDWs) might be the wave of the future.

20th Century Small Arms: The Cold War published first on https://sixchexus.weebly.com/

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Lee–Enfield

This article is about the early twentieth-century British rifle. For other uses, see Lee rifle and Enfield rifle (disambiguation). Lee–Enfield Short Magazine Lee–Enfield Mk I (1903), Swedish Army Museum, Stockholm. Type Bolt-action rifle Place of origin United Kingdom Service history In service MLE: 1895–1926 SMLE: 1907–present Used by See Users Wars Second Boer War World War I Various Colonial conflicts Irish War of Independence Irish Civil War World War II Indonesian National Revolution Indo-Pakistani Wars Greek Civil War Malayan Emergency French Indochina War Korean War Arab-Israeli War Suez Crisis Border Campaign (Irish Republican Army) Mau Mau Uprising Vietnam War The Troubles Sino-Indian War Bangladesh Liberation War Soviet invasion of Afghanistan Nepalese Civil War Afghanistan conflict Production history Designer James Paris Lee, RSAF Enfield Produced MLE: 1895–1907 SMLE: 1907–present Number built 17,000,000+ Variants See Models/marks Specifications Weight 4.19 kg (9.24 lb) (Mk I) 3.96 kg (8.73 lb) (Mk III) 4.11 kg (9.06 lb) (No. 4) Length SMLE: 44 in (1,118 mm) Barrel length MLE: 30.2 in (767 mm) SMLE: 25.2 in (640 mm) Cartridge .303 Mk VII SAA Ball Action Bolt-action Rate of fire 20–30 aimed shots per minute Muzzle velocity 744 m/s (2,441 ft/s) Effective firing range 550 yd (503 m) Maximum firing range 3,000 yd (2,743 m) Feed system 10-round magazine, loaded with 5-round charger clips Sights Sliding ramp rear sights, fixed-post front sights, "dial" long-range volley sights; telescopic sights on sniper models. The Lee–Enfield bolt-action, magazine-fed, repeating rifle was the main firearm used by the military forces of the British Empire and Commonwealth during the first half of the 20th century. It was the British Army's standard rifle from its official adoption in 1895 until 1957. A redesign of the Lee–Metford (adopted by the British Army in 1888), the Lee–Enfield superseded the earlier Martini–Henry, Martini–Enfield, and Lee–Metford rifles. It featured a ten-round box magazine which was loaded with the .303 British cartridge manually from the top, either one round at a time or by means of five-round chargers. The Lee–Enfield was the standard issue weapon to rifle companies of the British Army and other Commonwealth nations in both the First and Second World Wars (these Commonwealth nations included Australia, New Zealand, Canada, India and South Africa, among others). Although officially replaced in the UK with the L1A1 SLR in 1957, it remained in widespread British service until the early/mid-1960s and the 7.62 mm L42 sniper variant remained in service until the 1990s. As a standard-issue infantry rifle, it is still found in service in the armed forces of some Commonwealth nations, notably with the Bangladesh Police, which makes it the second longest-serving military bolt-action rifle still in official service, after the Mosin Nagant. The Canadian Forces' Rangers Arctic reserve unit still used Enfield No.4 rifles as of 2012[update], with plans announced to replace the weapons sometime in 2014 or 2015. Total production of all Lee–Enfields is estimated at over 17 million rifles. The Lee–Enfield takes its name from the designer of the rifle's bolt system—James Paris Lee—and the factory in which it was designed—the Royal Small Arms Factory in Enfield. In Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Southern Africa and India the rifle became known simply as the "three-oh-three" or the "three-naught-three". More details Android, Windows