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tw SA ment, oppression, transphobia etc

okay but sometimes we are treated badly because we're trans men or trans masc though. yes sometimes things are "run of the mill misogyny" or "run of the mill transphobia", where someone just hates women or trans people. but what about trans men who lose access to gynaecologists because of the M on their birth certificate? what about the unique inaccessibility of testosterone because it's a controlled substance? what about the terms "theyfab" or "tranny voice", that were made up specifically to mock transmasc and afab non-binary people? what about the "feminists" who developed the idea of "rapid-onset gender dysphoria", which is both ableist and transandrophobic, because it specifically targets trans men and especially autistic trans men. what about the people who say "trans men really are the men of the trans community" or "I hate all men, that includes trans men"? the myth perpetuated about testosterone supposedly causing "roid rage"? all things that uniquely oppress trans men and trans mascs. should we be referring to the corrective rape of trans men as lesbophobia because lesbians and queer women also experience it? the words exorsexism and transmisogyny exist for a reason, let other trans men describe their own experiences, you can't stop them from using a word.

Anon, i’m holding your hand when I saw this, the anger is not at our identity of men or masc, it is at us being afab and the perception of us as “confused women”. It is anger at our adjacency to femininity and our rejection from those roles that they wish to push on us. Women are the bottom rung of the ladder and femininity has always been used as an insult. That is 100% rooted in misogyny. Rejection from heath services are double ended blade of transphobia and misogyny, its used as a litmus test of identity because ‘well if we need these services we are still women, but if you want to insist you are man then you don't need it”. Cis women and transwomen get tested on this as well because misogyny is the common thread. I find it hard to believe if youve never been in a place “well if you really say you are then you must never been” and had to explain that yea things overlap and things are intersectional. I really dont know how to explain to you the “the theyfab voice/tranny voice” is also misogyny because that one is so obvious, you are deviating from the ideal performance of femininity. Rapid- onset dysphoric targets transmascs because it is an inherently misogynistic idea, that we are confused women, and it TERFs and such espouse that loudly, its a target on your denial of a set role and the inherent negative societal view of women. The man/masc part of our identities are nothing to these people if not entirely ignored unless its a used as a ‘gotcha’. Its also crazy how you completely somehow manage to miss, that yes, corrective rape is misogyny.  The idea behind it is ‘correcting a woman’. You literally listed “hey all these groups that experience misogyny experience this, so shouldn't we call it something else”. Please think for a second instead of angry yelling.

The reason I have an issue with the word transandrophobia is because it displaces blame and doesn't acknowledge the fact that we are dealing with misogyny. To say it is transmisogyny wouldn't be correct. I think it's important we come up with our own language, its just important we recognize the issue to work on solving it and use to talk about our experiences, not come up with words to use like weaponized therapy language and attack anyone else who so much as breathes the wrong direction as others. The fact i got fucking PARAGRAPHS and hate anons not even 5 minutes after posting something shows how fucking hair trigger this community is and its UNACCEPTABLE. It's one of the reasons i left the transmasc community because if i didn't say my feelings within the acceptable language or word of the week were using, I got bombarded and accused of the worse and dealt with misogyny and transphobia from my fellow brothers.. I’m not saying no one can use this, if you find it helps you go ahead i'm not the language police, but i do believe it erases the source of the issue and has become disgustingly weaponized and abused.

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so if a transmasc were to talk about let's say, an intersection between the misogyny and the transphobia they experienced, specifically because they are transmasc that would still be..? misogyny? vanilla, plain misogyny? the misogyny directed at trans mascs is the same as the misogyny directed at women(cis or trans)?

why is it so strange that the only group of men who society sees as women want a word for that specific intersection?

Because the word for the specific intersection isn't accurate, it's not describing misogyny and misplacing the blame. The misogyny directed at transmascs is not the same directed at transfems or cis women, although rarely we might be, but it's not 'androphobia'. I understand why it was made, and I even used it for a bit because that *was* the intention, buts its quickly spiraled out of control into something transmascs abuse transfems over for oppression points or why ever the fuck some of y'all decide to harass others over it.