#specifically this is about spike/buffy and logan/veronica

[horsegirlhob]

Genuinely one of the things I miss most about my ex is that we had the exact same opinions on fictional relationships. Now I have to try desperately to explain to all my friends who like healthy chill relationships why I'm so obsessed with these two deeply traumatized motherfuckers who have done horrible things to each other and I feel like I sound like a crazy person

[in-love-with-writing-whump]

All of my favorite characters are whumpees & there’s so many different kinds. I personally love sassy AND stoic ones best, so here’s a venn diagram of some of my all-time favorites. Reblog with what you think!

Sassy:

-Spike (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)

-Lucifer Morningstar (Lucifer)

-Arya Stark (Game of Thrones)

-Logan Echolls (Veronica Mars)

-Sawyer (Lost)

Sassy AND Stoic:

-Bucky Barnes (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

-Natasha Romanoff (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

-Levi Ackerman (Attack on Titan, specifically in the prequel OVA A Choice With No Regrets)

-Dean Winchester (Supernatural)

Stoic:

-Aaron “Hotch” Hotchner (Criminal Minds)

-Jon Snow (Game of Thrones)

-Erwin Smith (Attack on Titan)

-David Budd (The Bodyguard)

-Kaz Brekker (Six of Crows)

-Levi Ackerman (Attack on Titan, main episodes)

-Leroy Jethro Gibbs (NCIS)

-Castiel (Supernatural)

Stoic AND Nerdy Sweetheart:

-Peter Petrelli (Heroes)

Nerdy Sweetheart:

-Spencer Reid (Criminal Minds)

Nerdy Sweetheart AND Sassy:

-Malcolm Bright (Prodigal Son)

-Shawn Spencer (Psych)

-Steve Harrington (Stranger Things, post season 1)

-Peter Parker (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

All of the Above:

-Ash Lynx (Banana Fish)

-Patrick Jane (The Mentalist)

Overall, stoic and sassy combos are my favorite, but most of the shows/books I like are stoic whumpees. What about you?

[cellsshapedlikestars]

What fandoms/pairings did you get into before Jonsa? Or the first work/story that made you discover fanfic?

Just randomly sharing, broke my phone other day and looking for my downloaded fanfics made me look even further back.

😭 Final Fantasy VIII rpg game was 25 years ago and beloved fanfics of it published 20 years ago (still there in internet).

Also realized my love for broody, sulky male protagonists with angry chip in their shoulders and female characters that receive hate just bc they’re “princess”-y, “damsel-in-distress” not-the-strongest type was there too. (Prob started it.)

(we def share a ship preference for broody/princess lol)

It's been so long, I can't remember how I found fanfic. Probably in my Sailor Moon phase (elementary school-ish) because I absolutely wrote Sailor Moon fanfic. (I never posted it online or showed anyone, though. I can distinctly remember writing a Sailor Pluto fic where she's still alive after all the other sailors are killed, and she just stands there as the keeper of time waiting sad and alone for millennia for them to be reincarnated. Really fun and chill story, 12 year old me!) I can't remember any fics specifically that I read, though there was this website that used to MST3K "bad" Sailor Moon fanfics, and I remember reading a lot of those. I didn't ship anyone in Sailor Moon.

If you want to know about any prior ships/fics I wrote, below the cut!

Considering how much media I have consumed over the years, I don't tend to ship very hard. I tend to go with what the piece of media tells me the ships are tbh. Jonsa is the first that wasn't canon.

InuYasha

The first fandom I had a ship for, and the first fandom I actively remember reading fic for. I was big into Miroku/Sango. Never wrote anything for that, though.

Harry Potter

I did vaguely ship Harry/Ginny while the books were coming out, and even wrote a few chapters of an alternate book 2. That was on ff.net and is probably purged at this point. I could not tell you what my username or the fic title were lol.

Later, I dipped my toe into the Marauders/Jily fandom, but never went all out, because by that time, I'd become disillusioned with Harry Potter. Every once in a while, I'll go read a Jily fic.

Buffy

While this is my favorite show, I didn't ship too much. I kinda shipped Buffy/Spike (have thoughts on it now) and also Angel/Cordelia. I never read nor wrote fic for either of these pairings.

Veronica Mars

Veronica/Logan. Read some fic, never wrote anything.

Skins

I wrote a one shot for Sid/Cassie. Posted on my old livejournal and now re-posted to an alternate ao3 account. I don't hate it. I'd probably change some things if I were writing it now, but I think it's pretty solid.

(No, I just re-read it and it's very solid. Kinda proud of this one)

Glee

I am SO embarrassed to say this, but I wrote a Rachel/Puck one-shot after the episode where they decide to date because they're both hot and Jewish. It wasn't a super shippy fic and mostly centered around him telling Rachel Quinn's baby was his. I stopped watching Glee after the first season lol and did not repost that fic from my livejournal to ao3. It can die on livejournal.

Elite

Carla/Samuel!! LOVE me some poor boy/rich girl dynamics. I got really into them and even read some fic, though there wasn't much out there. Never wrote anything. Have debated writing a Jonsa Elite AU

The Other Fandom

Now. I have hinted in the past that I used to be in another fandom that I wrote fic for.

Oh, the OC. You held my heart for so many years (well. 2 years). I wrote so much fic for you (mostly in the first year, kinda fell off and did more experimental stuff in the second).

That fandom was the O.C.

I'm kind of afraid to say the pairing, because there's only 1215 OC fics total on ao3, and for my pairing is not one of the popular ones, and I wrote about a quarter of those, so I feel like you could find my alt account pretty easily...

I dunno. I'm a little embarrassed about some of the fic I wrote back then. Some of it is SO unnecessarily dramatic (AND IN FIRST PERSON. I HATE FIRST PERSON POV!!). I also wrote a wild amount of smut for someone who didn't really know what the fuck she was talking about lmaooo. I've spoken a lot about how skittish I am about writing smut now, but as a teenager I was cranking that shit out. (ok I actually just looked and it's only 5 explicit fics, but still. That's about 1/5 of the fics I wrote)

I'm probably making too much out of it, because there are some fics I'm proud of, but enough that I'm embarrassed by that I have yet to be able to publicly say what my apt account is

[italianpersonwithashippersheart]

Hello.... If you don't mind me asking, who are your favorite romantic relationship's couples in books/ manga/ anime/movies/tv series (can be canon or non-canon)? Feel free if you want to write the reasons or not of why you love them...Thanks if you want to answer....

That is a very broad ask and I am very bad at lists so I will only speaks of ships that I think have some formative long lasting impact for me.

Lizzie and Gordo were my first live action ship.

My very first ship was from an anime, Their og names were Sana and Akito from Kodomo No Omocha. I knew it as Rossana (Italian name). This ships was my childhood!! When I was a baby that was basically the age of the actual characters. There are a few other anime with ships that got me, like Card Captor Sakura and Tokyo Mew Mew.

Buffy x Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer

There are a couple of misc Disney/Nick and Italian Shows ships that I loved but I wouldn't consider formative. Except for Logan and Quinn from s4 of Zoey 101. Unfortunatly the author that must no longer be named is in this as well. Originally Ron and Hermione then Draco and Harry later. There is also a few that I think are too obsocure like Wicked Sciene (Toby and Elisabeth) and Wildfire (Chris and Junior) or the Sleepover Club (Frankie and Mattew for s1 and Charlie and Jason for s2).

Veronica and Logan from Veronica Mars - They were everything to me, I remain devasted about the so called s4, I have not been able to watch this show again since I saw s4.

Set and Summer from the OC (don't judge too much I was a teenager)

Lovely Complex was also an anime I loved

And Toradora

Enjolras and Grantire (frist MLM ship I started reading fics for)

GMW Farkle and Riley + Styles and Lydia and Stranger Things (though I never shipped byler nothing against the ship I just don't see it) -> The first two fandoms that brought me on tumblr.

From early tumblr years we also have:

Evak (and various spin offs)

Keith and Lance from Voltron

Newsies (various ships)

Star Wars, Rogue One in specific. And Still Star Crossed which I will stay mad that they cancelled!!!! Benvolio and Rosaline were such a great ship.

Some famous YA Books: Red White and Royal Blue; Six Of Crows Ari and Dante; Simon VS.

There are obviously many many more. But these are the ones that I think made more of an impact. I used to be the kind of person that likes canon ships, and took me a while to understand non canon shipping and get on board with non-canon shipping. I was mostly over it by the time I got too tumblr. But it took a while longer, when I start to get into queer ships, that I started to see the appeal. I hesitated with queer ships at first because it didn't feel like I should be shipping that, since I thought I was straight at the time. So I was a late bloomer in terms of non-canon ships and queer ships.

Then of course there is the BL era (which I am still on) which honestly should be a list of it's own, there is way too many. But I have to shout out the very first BL ships I had, which are the ones that made me fall in love with the genre

DeanPharm from UWMA

AePete from Love By Chance

And shout out to this nice anime movie (I started watching Yaoi before we really had that many live action, but I kept finding list with raccomendation with problematic contents, which I am more ok with now but at the time it turned me off so this movie was a nice little change): Doukyuusei

My favorite ships dynamics are friend to lovers, enemies to lovers, enemies to friends to lovers; Or anything that involves two characters having a deep bond/connection (rival, friends, bodyguard, savior, soulmate) before they start dating.

Thanks for the ask, I hope you enjoyed it, I tried to be as varied as I could.

[you-are-so-much-better-than-that]

Happy Saturday! Favorites, time! Give me your top five... Favorite colors Favorite musicians Favorite songs Favorite TV shows Favorite ships Favorite characters

Hi Anon!!

Please forgive my tardiness in answering this! I am literally months late. Let's see if I can figure this out

Colours: Deep forest green, mustardy yellow, bright happy yellow, lavender, pale dusty blue.

Musicians: Bro....this is hard. I'm bad at music.

Songs: Oof! Ummm ok. In no particular order and because these songs remind me of specific people and places: 1) All the Small Things - Blink 182, 2) ....... listen. I tried....I stared at this for like an hour. I can't think of a single other song. Like at all! I don't even know if All the Small things is my favourite, it's just my song with my best friend. I'm so bad at music I literally listen to basically just Broadway music. I'm a dork.

Tv shows: Ah yes! Much easier! These are all shows I've watched at least twice, some way more than that! I almost never watch tv shows more than once. 1) Buffy. Always. 2) Game of Thrones. Except for the end. There's a video of me ranting about the final season that my friend took of me after that finale. But until that final season, it was some great television! 3) Scrubs! I maintain it is the greatest sitcom ever written. Fight me Seinfeld! 4) The West Wing. Could you imagine if President Bartlet was president? 5) Shameless. It's why I'm here folks! 6) Schitt's Creek. 7) Veronica Mars 8) Killing Eve (I'm cheating. I don't care!)

Ships: 1) Spuffy. Always. 2) Gallavich. Honestly, since Spuffy, nothing has captured me quite like this. 3) David and Patrick. 4) Loralie and Luke (and on a lesser level Rory and Jess -- even though Rory suuuucks). 5) Veronica Mars and Logan (and I refuse to believe that last movie ends the way it does)

Characters: 1) Spike, 2) Buffy, 3) Ian, 4) Mickey, 5) Veronica Mars, 6) Fiona Gallagher, 7) Arya Stark 8) Lip Gallagher 9) Sansa Stark 10) Jon Snow (Sorry I keep cheating!!)

Ask me about TV and I'll talk all day! I watch an obscene amount. I'm so bad at music.

[anditjustmadeherkind]

Deep, soothing breaths, everyone, or, 'how I learned to stop worrying and love Rob Thomas'.

Comment to the author of meta on the following link: 

http://cadhla.livejournal.com/?skip=50&tag=veronica%20mars

Deep, soothing breaths, everyone, or, 'how I learned to stop worrying and love Rob Thomas'.

Mar. 14th, 2005 at 3:28 PM

All right: there's a lot of kerfuffle in 'Veronica Mars' fandom right now, over some spoilers that have managed to get leaked to the general public. There's always a chance that they're actually foilers*, but since that's difficult to count on, there's been an understandable amount of consternation. I will now weigh in. Because I am a very pushy blonde who does this sort of thing, especially when she can't put everyone involved into a hot bathtub with lots of lovely bubbles until they feel better.

(*For the fandom-impaired, 'spoilers' are leaked bits of information about the show -- things like 'Smurfette was actually created by Gargamel, gasp!' or 'Doctor Who regenerates in this episode!'. 'Foilers' are bits of false information leaked intentionally to confuse the issue; 'Buffy decides to kill everyone and stay in happy la la psychosis land' or 'Megan and Firefly finally get married in a simple, tasteful, trans-species ceremony'. Simple, universal terms.)

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So here's the basic skinny: Logan turns out to have been involved in Veronica's rape, in that he a) supplied the drugs used on her (although they weren't intended for her, and nothing says he would have agreed had he known she was the target), and b) did body-shots off her while she was out cold, for which he winds up apologizing, and for which she apparently forgives him, as they appear to be dating, and are, in fact, caught making out at a surprise party for Logan. He winds up defending her in front of all his friends and family, and takes her back to his room. Veronica is waiting on the bed, alone, when she catches sight of a camera on the ceiling, and flees. The next shot is of her riding away with Weevil.

The actual spoilers are more detailed than this (as

ohimesamamama

will doubtless point out, when she sees this post), but that's the general gist of it. The item causing the most furor is, obviously, the camera. 'How DARE they?!' shriek the fans. 'How can Logan DO that to her?! How can Veronica run out without telling him?! How...' And then there is wailing and gnashing of teeth and rending of garments, and then comes the lamentation of the women, especially those women who like the Logan/Veronica pairing. There has been, unsurprisingly, a

lot

of lamentation. Nothing laments like a 'shipper who fears their cruise has been cancelled.

But worry not, lamenters! Worry not, because there are a few facts we're tending to overlook in the general wail-gnash-rending. Most notably, these are:

1. Rob Thomas is not Joss Whedon. Say it with me, folks: Rob Thomas is

not

Joss Whedon. More importantly,

Rob Thomas is not Marti Noxon

. Look. Joss was a great guy; he created great characters and a great universe; he poured his heart and soul into making something we could care deeply and passionately about; then he went away and left it all with a half-crazed Romanian au pair who thought the original 'Dark Shadows' was the height of thematic subtlety. Rob? Rob has not done this thing to us. Rob has not said 'wow, I think I'll go play in another sandbox, here, Angst Queen, use your super angst powers to keep the viewers coming back while I enjoy myself elsewhere'. Rob is, in fact, right there, every day, working his butt off to make the show as good as it can possibly be. If he has a Romanian au pair, she's chained up in the closet, being used as a script-checker -- whenever she gets excited, they drop that plotline.

2. Logan is not Spike. Veronica is not Buffy. Logan and Veronica are not Buffy and Spike. Logan? Is not so sick and crazy with denied love that he's going to throw her down on the bathroom floor and try to claim his territory. Veronica? Is not so self-centered and neurotic that she's going to wind up him up with disgust and lust and need and loneliness, then dance a happy contra on the shattered wreckage of his heart. They are, in short, not making each other cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. They annoy each other. They irritate each other. They brace each other up. But they don't cause raw insanity to come into the picture. For which I am very thankful. Also, Veronica, while she can be both careless and heartless, is not self-centered -- if anything, she's self-

sacrificing

. She's giving up what she wants in favour of what she thinks is right: she's throwing away her chances at going back to a happy obliviousness in favour of finding the answers about what happened to Lilly. If Veronica were the Chosen One, she wouldn't whine, she'd just go kick some undead ass.

3. Just because you get hurt once, that doesn't mean you're going to get hurt every single time. Joss Whedon comes up a lot in discussions of the current spoilers, and the basic theory seems to be 'Joss wouldn't have let them be happy, so Rob won't either'. Folks, it doesn't work that way. Seriously. One girl saying something mean about your hair doesn't mean all girls hate it; one show creator whose outlook on romance seems to make the relationships on 'Swan's Crossing' look stable doesn't mean all show creators are going to rip away the happiness of their characters just for fun. Let 'Veronica Mars' rise or fall on its own merits -- and so far, those merits lead me to trust in Rob.

This is also where the topic of tropes has to come in. Every creator, from the rawest writer of fanfic to the most well-established and famous producer, has tropes. Wes Craven loves him some unexpectedly evil boyfriend who was totally supportive right up until he tells you that he's the one who boiled your bunny. Stephen King adores putting beautiful girls with men who do some form of physical labour, and destroying writers with the products of their own imaginations. Michael Swanwick likes modern pageantry as a means of showing you the corruption that underpins society. Tropes are unavoidable. What does Rob Thomas believe in?

Well, if we go by his own work, he believes that opposites attract. He believes that love is fundamentally broken but just as fundamentally necessary, and that if you work for it, it will happen. He believes that the snarky guy gets the girl. He believes in true love, lasting love, love that is forever, love that redeems your sins, love that sees you home. He believes that the surface is only one layer, and that there's a lot more out there worth looking at.

Rob Thomas believes in happy endings. And Rob Thomas believes in redemption. Two things Joss never really showed us he had any faith in.

That message is there in his fiction -- most specifically in 'Rats Saw God', although most of the stories in 'Doing Time' are redemption stories, one way or the other -- and in his television work; I mean, 'Cupid' is one long story about redemption

through

true love, and if

that

isn't support for calling those his tropes, I don't know what

is

. He doesn't believe that these things come easy, but he does believe that they will come, given time and sufficient effort on the parts of the people involved.

That's another thing. Rob Thomas doesn't waste effort. Especially in a show as crammed with symbolism and meaning as 'Veronica Mars', there just isn't

time

to spend this much screen time and energy making the audience fall in love with Logan, a statement that becomes even more concrete when you consider the fact that he's extremely unlikely to have been Lilly's killer -- there won't be a zero-hour unmasking of the Luna Ghost in which we find out that it was Logan all along, and he calls Veronica a 'meddling kid'. Logan has had a

huge

redemption arc this season, and there's simply no point to that if you're going to turn around and throw it all away doing something that most of your audience is guaranteed to hate. Can he be villified next season? Sure. But this season? The timing is off. If Rob wanted Logan to be a bad guy in season one, he'd have just left him that way. As it stands, he's used Logan to prove one of the essential concepts of noir. Namely:

Your narrator is wrong.

Veronica starts out by lying to us: she tells us Logan is a psychotic jackass. She doesn't tell us until later how close they were, how good a friend he was to her and to Lilly, or that she used to enjoy his company. Just that he's a jerk. We get the details on Duncan right away, but on Logan, her glass is clearly clouded. Logan, meanwhile, targets her a lot, but never actually hurts her. Now, he does hurt her car -- which

ohimesamamama

has symbolically explained better than I could -- but he never lays a hand on her, never strikes her in anger, and isn't even seen being particularly active in spreading the nasty stories about her. There's old love there, and old love gone sour hurts more than almost anything else.

Logan is, oddly, a very honest person; he doesn't like to lie, he doesn't like to act, and when you push him far enough to make him hurt you, it's either calculated, distant and remote, or it's immediate and in your face. Planting a camera to catch Veronica, who he's publically called his girlfriend, having sex? Doesn't fit either of those categories. Also, frankly...okay, great. You now have a tape of yourself having sex with someone largely regarded as the town slut. How does this hurt her? Other than the betrayal -- and she's nearly numb to those -- what does this get you? You could hand the tape to her father, but he'd kill you. And as high school students on their age and social level, and little boyfriend-girlfriend sex? Sort of expected. It's not

surprising

. Doing that to Meg would be calculated and mean. Doing it to Veronica? Is pointless. It's not Logan's style.

Something is missing. The spoilers don't include dialogue; they don't include context; they don't include Veronica's voiceover. There is, in short, something very large missing from the scene -- we're panicking over a picture without words, and those can mean

anything

. If you step back, and take a moment to trust in Rob's already-proven ability to be true to character, genre, situation and plot? We have to have it wrong, because right now, as stated, the scene makes no sense. Rob has always been very true to his characters. This? Is not true to his characters. And that means something we don't see yet will put it all into focus -- another major trait of noir.

Veronica is the detective; Logan, in a way, is thus the gangster's moll. And since Veronica's real enemy is the town of Neptune -- the 'gangster' Logan belongs to, whether he likes it or not -- her winning him away from it, bit by bit, stumble by stumble, is part of the long-term observance of the genre. In noir, in the end, the hero walks away. Sometimes with the dame, sometimes without, but always having made the choice. That dame may betray him, reject him, stab him in the back, but they always find each other again, until the sun is going down and the gumshoe rolls out of town. Veronica has a long way to go before she sees the city limits. That means, by genre, that she and Logan can't be finished yet.

Trust Rob. Just because Joss let Marti take us into a dark alley and beat us up until we handed over our lunch money, that doesn't mean Rob's going to. Trust the man who gave us Trevor and Claire. Trust the man who introduced us to Dub. He's a good guy. He's never handled me wrong, and that's saying something.

Also, breathe.

[asexual-fandom-queen]

I was tagged by @tabihe to list my top 5 OTPs. I don’t know whether that means in a particular fandom or right now or of all time, but I’m gonna do of all time (bearing in mind that I’m probably forgetting something because that’s how my brain works)

Spike/Buffy Summers - Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Logan Echolls/Veronica Mars - Veronica Mars

Barry Allen/Leonard Snart - The Flash 

Jeff Winger/Annie Edison - Community 

Phoebe Halliwell/Cole Turner - Charmed

So apparently I have a type when it comes to ships, as if I didn’t already know that before making this list. A lot of enemies to lovers (or in the case of Jeff/Annie, occasionally antagonistic friends to lovers) And lots of Jerk With a Heart of Gold characters paired with Sunshine Puppies. Bad Guys with Good Guys. Cynics with Believers. The Hopeless and their Hope. A pretty common thread of love redeems overall, which is again, not surprising. 

If anyone wants to gush about any of these pairings or ask specifically why I chose them, drop me an ask! I think people’s favorite ships say a lot about them, and this is no exception. 

(also if anyone wants me to do a list specific to a particular fandom or what I’m most invested in right now, or wants to know what almost made the list, ask that, too)

I’m actually a huge fail at tagging people to do things, but I’ll tag @duckgirl16, @coldflashwave-baby, @pheuthe, @42wallaby-way-sydney, and @ultimateteadrinker

[raelis1]

Wait, Jaime/Brienne is canon in the books?! Maybe I should pick them up again (I never made it past book 2).

Aside from this, I’m only familiar with the Disney/Austen ones (and Megamind and Spirited Away).

I was just thinking that there are very few canon het ships I truly enjoyed. Most of the time it’s either ‘ugh, boring forced het time’ or indifference. I was wondering what others’ experience was.

(And yes, all this is related to me trying to figure out whether I count as aromantic. Do I dislike most of canon romance because it’s romance or because it’s badly-written - or simply because I only enjoy some specific tropes?)

The ships I enjoyed are:

Shepard/Garrus from Mass Effect (actually, I enjoyed most of Bioware het romances to some extent, but the good thing about them is that they’re all optional, so even if some of the romances don’t work for me, I can’t dislike them fully because I don’t have to see them)

John/Aeryn (Farscape)

Peter/Olivia (Fringe)

The sort-of-not-quite romance from Garden of Words

Veronica/Logan (Veronica Mars)

As a child, I really loved Fantaghiro/Romualdo from Fantaghrio (The Cave of the Golden Rose)

Buffy/Angel and Buffy/Spike are kind of a weird case because they’re both canon, but I only enjoyed them when they were not officially together.

Right now I’m enjoying Jim/Pam from The Office (to my surprise).

There are romances I enjoyed superficially (most of the Disney ones, the Austen ones, Shrek/Fiona, some romantic comedies like While You Were Sleeping, Romancing the Stone, that sort of thing), but I did not have shippy feels about them.

Question for my followers (or anyone who happened to drop by): could you guys tell me what canon het romances (in any media) you really enjoyed?