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[atopvisenyashill]

I think the people who are the most down on this show are the ones who fell they’ve been robbed of something they were never promised.

this show has not been following book canon for a very long time, since the moment emma darcy’s was monologuing over the great council and Jaehaerys didn’t have a beard down to his ankles lol but now it’s a problem because the parts that they wanted to be book canon aren’t. Which is fine, I get it but… I thought we all kinda of agreed following the canon wasn’t going to happen to the fullest. They had changed the entire of alicent’s character from the beginning and many ate it up, endorsed it, until that canon fell out of their preferred wants and headcanons for this show. Not to say, Alicent didn’t have… problems but they were already there in season 1. We weren’t ever going to get book Alicent and if we do, it’s going to be for Helaena and not her sons which pissed people off because, as someone mentioned before, many of the fans wouldn’t choose Helaena over Aegon or Aemond so why would Alicent.

Even more with Rhaenyra, who I think is following her book storyline for than anyone, even with the few tweaks they made to it. They are mad that she is doing nothing, and taking up screen time but want the writers to follow book canon, as if that isn’t book canon.

Overall, I don’t think people know what they want because they don’t know what character they want. Many take parts from book and show and create a whole new character then are mad about THAT character being off.

They want Alicent to be bloodthirsty and to protect her children and use Driftmark as an example, forgetting that Alicent was trying to phase into the background minute Jace mentioned bastards and Aemond started smiling about it. They want Rhaenyra to be fire and blood but forget they weren’t getting that until another son died. They wanted Daemon to be doing backflips off dragons but didn’t realize we aren’t there yet. Season 2 has problems up the woozow but specific complaints are so stupid and specific that you���d think the writers couldn’t do this correctly without the entire hotd fandom in the writers room with them.

I think the people who are the most down on this show are the ones who fell they’ve been robbed of something they were never promised.

god YES exactly, that is the CRUX of the issue. they wanted the parts of canon THEY liked to be included and the parts of canon THEY didn't like to be jetissoned and their own headcanons to be confirmed and then every time that doesn't happen they FLIP THE FUCK OUT. and it's like LISTEN do i think the age shenanigans were funky, silly, bordering on stupid? yeah, i haven't been shy about saying that lmao. but like, that doesn't mean i can't acknowledge the character that exists on the actual screen and see the way their arc is written and whether they're internally consistent as a character. but for so many people, the sheer idea that maybe the character on screen is different than the one they made up in their mind is a failing when no, you just made a different character up in your mind!!

and it's always always this "team" thing that makes it worse too. everyone wants THEIR side to be fleshed out heroes but when the OTHER side gets to be fleshed out it's a huge problem. i have absolutely bitched about the exact thing you're talking about with rhaenyra - we are so clearly building UP to a ruthless fire and blood queen because that is narratively much more interesting than coming out the gate that way but everyone has an issue with it! "this is a story about misogyny" yeah and the misogyny is still there! they aren't cutting it out by also showing rhaenyra has her own dark impulses! "i don't want to hear about the ratcatchers again after-" can u admit that two things can be wrong or are we in kindergarten. and this is the same issue with baela rhaena and laena - they ARE horrifically underwritten esp when you compare them to other "main but not thee main" male characters a la criston, targtower boys, and jace and we got THREE (3) new white men to focus on. the way they're written in comparison sucks! it's bad! COMMA BUT. there is a constant refrain of “baela should hate jacaerys” “jacaerys is usurping baela” “baela should hate rhaenyra” “why are they so selfish about baela & its not criticized by the narrative” and it’s insane it drives me crazy. i’m sorry that you (general you) wanted baela to be a very different character than she was in the books, but that’s the fucking plot!!! it does NOT actually deepen her character if she were to turn against the blacks - why would she do that. what are the greens offering her??? like, her specifically??? are they saying they’ll make her queen? give her driftmark? no? then why the fuck would she hate jacaerys & rhaenyra when she derives her power THROUGH THEM! "laena would hate that her kids are engaged to bastards" no she would not she would not give a single solitary shit. rhaena liked being engaged to lucerys!!!

and this is the main issue for me is that it often feels like criticism is coming from a place of “how dare they not change it in a way that makes MY FAVES look better” and that always happens but it’s been particularly egregious. you want them to stay close to the books but then you’re mad that they don’t “fix” the books the way you want? come on. it’s why i said i feel for the aemondwives but i’m also a little judgemental bc it’s like no i don’t think this came out of nowhere, i think it was done SLOPPILY in places but alicent turning against aemond for his violence has been loudly broadcasted since aemond was introduced. why are we acting like aemond wasn’t clearly shown to escalate in his behavior throughout s1? and that while he’s escalating, alicent is still holding onto the idea (however naively) of peace?? everyone shaking about how cool he looked when he burned aegon, did they expect her to hug him and go oh thanks for taking out your brother, my firstborn, and the only other battle ready dragonrider to defend the capital, you’ve always been my favorite aemond.

you're definitely right that it has a lot to do with how the audience wouldn't choose helaena over the boys so why should alicent. and that is ALSO FRUSTRATING because on the one hand it's like yes, that's because helaena is not given the screentime she needs and deserves (why did we need to see alicole fucking that often grilled CHEEZUS) but at the same time - the show itself is directly critiquing this idea that helaena isn't "worth" choosing. She's a child bride and a teenage mother living at the whims of her family with little control over her life, and she's outwardly as miserable as Alicent was internally - she is Alicent and that is why Alicent chooses Helaena again and again in s2, after being a bystander and arguably a negative force in Helaena's life up until that point. Alicent choosing Helaena is Alicent choosing herself but the idea that Alicent is not constantly self sacrificing for her sons is just inexcusable to people.

[daenerystargarycn]

they are losing their minds at that Aegon post, good god 😭

you say it’s hypocritical that Rhaenyra has to practically campaign for her heirship while Aegon does nothing is them trying to make a worthy argument, as if there isn’t a child who came from Rhaenyra who was said to be the most worthy 😭

it’s insane how little they’re willing to read before they go off their rocker lmao

i guess i’ll need to watch out for ‘worthy’ as a trigger word. at least their outrage is making it easier to find out who to block.

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[atopvisenyashill]

let’s rant about rhaenyra for a sec.

I don’t think most of the people who wanted her to be vengeful and mean and downright heartless this season wanted it because they wanted to see it and thought it was deserved. They wanted it because then they’d have a legitimate reason to hate her without looking crazy.

they don’t care how good or well Rhaenyra is written, they need something else because ranting about her having sex with whoever and having bastards doesn’t work and a majority of people agree with her, those fans want something real, and true which comes double when they get mad about her girlbossing and not being allowed to do anything wrong.

don't even get me started on the "rhaenyra is bad for having bastards" so much of that discourse is just repackaged "the evil of single mothers" fearmongering and i have very little patience for it. people being like "well rhaenyra was clearly going to name aegon the younger over jacaerys" no she wasn't, you just want her to be ruthless so you can point at that and go "see she is cruel and a bad mother." rhaenyra was never going to unname jacaerys, period, the same way viserys was never going to unname rhaenyra, period. if u don't understand that, you don't understand their characters. same people who whinge about how cutting the silent five made rhaenyra too perfect are absolutely silent about the fact that they took alicent locking the smallfolk into king's landing away from her and gave it to aemond, specifically with the intention of making aemond look worse and alicent look better. they do that shit all the time it is not just a thing they do with rhaenyra but it's something that rhaenyra, and alicent, get picked at for the most. gee i wonder why. and it's all this same idea of looking for a reason to hate rhaenyra. bro you can simply dislike her! it's fine!! but searching for a gotcha to be like "see!!! the greens are JUSTIFIED she's EVIL INCARNATE" is just bald misogyny that people love to pretend isn't misogyny. sorry no one else wants to see her slowly lose her mind as she tries to protect the sons she loves and does not treat as bastards in part due to her own unresolved feelings about her mothers death at the hands of her father + the sudden and brutal death of her lover, but like, i'm having a good fucking time and i think all these other people are fake tragedy enjoyers.

[atopvisenyashill]

im gonna have to agree; daemon is the root of all evil in the dance apparently and if he’s gone, everything is fine is a very weird way to look at it when all in all, he only really pushed viserys to name rhaenyra heir in the end.

like, you’d think he was warging into these characters and making them choose to do stupid shit. otto being so open with his ambitions and getting booted from kings landing is daemon’s fault somehow. alicent worrying for her children’s lives even when daemon wasn’t around is daemons fault somehow. hell, the overall theme of the dance is daemon’s fault somehow even if he’s pushing to not go full blown fire and blood in the beginning and only when lower when the greens went low.

and I say this as someone who doesn’t care about him one way or another, guy is not doing half the legwork for the majority of the dance to be his fault.

yes oh my god and the post i had made that i got a few annoying replies/reblogs on was so annoying bc like, it started off as a little au "what if viserys refused to put himself in the running for the gc 101" and like obviously daemon is going to do some crazy shit but eye had been thinking about how this affects corlys & rhaenys bc viserys abdicating really opens the door for corlys and he is very good at politicking and rhaenys is very well liked AND at that point they had two kids and daemon was point blank refusing to fuck his own wife. next thing i know people are in my replies like "well if daemon wasn't such a RAGING MONSTER to poor innocent otto and if corlys didn't PERSONALLY HOLD VAEMOND DOWN SO RHAENYRA AND DAEMON COULD MURDER HIM maybe the dance never would have happened" and i am going to start PEELING PAINT OFF THE WALLS if people don't stop acting like daemon is the only person in the dance with ambition & an inclination towards violence as if otto isn't practically daring rhaenyra to go to war with him instead of actually making sure that there is a peaceful transfer of power once viserys dies. and anyways in both canons Corlys is on death's door when the Vaemond stuff happens, of all the things to lay at his feet I would say the most egregious thing he does is, ya know, his raging misogyny when it comes to the driftmark inheritance but of course no, it is Most Feminist to talk about how evil and vile and completely at fault for everything Rhaenyra I mean Daemon is for the entire dance. once again, i know it's crazy talk but i am not thinking about daemon 24/7 and hyperfocusing on a character you hate that much is a dumb way of engaging with this series.

guy is not doing half the legwork for the majority of the dance to be his fault.

but YES exactly it's like. Viserys doesn't actually make the succession more confusing, he is doing exactly what Jaehaerys did but in a more stupid way. He makes it very clear that he has every intention of keeping Rhaenyra as his heir, he literally has Jace in his lap on the throne at one point and makes a comment like "one day you'll rule from this seat." Does he do anything particularly useful to ensure Rhaenyra will follow him? Objectively, the answer is no. But acting like he made succession more complicated because "well andal law" as if Jaehaerys doesn't also flout andal tradition and then not elaborate on why he's doing so, and ignoring the fact that misogyny does play a huge role in not only Jaehaerys' decisions, and not only Otto Hightower's decisions, but also in the very concept of Andal tradition is simply taking this fandomified, bs "team" thing a la twilight and thg and trying to apply that to this series. Well sorry but this is a lot more complicated than "which boyfriend is better" and Daemon is not the only bad actor in the dance. He can literally only be in so many places at once (and like. he also stops being a menace for several years while married to Laena and in his early marriage to Rhaenyra. if otto is so fucking butthurt about the velaryon boys maybe he should have asked laenor why he refuses to fuck his wife. but he doesn't because he doesn't actually care about a peaceful transfer of power, he cares about getting his own blood on that throne, just like Corlys, just like Daemon, just like Viserys.).

[atopvisenyashill]

im so happy i dont sound crazy lol.

but ABSOLUTELY. I wholeheartedly think people who are mad about certain character choices are deeply mad that another version of f&b characters are following their headcanons AGAIN.

even more, I think people combine both book and show canon, create a whole new version and get mad that the writers are following that canon either. which makes it so hard for me to take some criticism seriously.

“the pacing is off and some things drag on.” very much so.

“some things can get repetitive.” absolutely.

“the showrunners aren’t following the characters they established (the ones living in my head), aren’t following their plots (that I fantasized going a different way) and are purposely making them worse (aemond would never burn aegon even though he talked about aegon not deserving that throne last season) because they are biased (they don’t like my side).” well, no. not really.

even more, I think people combine both book and show canon, create a whole new version and get mad that the writers are following that canon either. which makes it so hard for me to take some criticism seriously.

ya and like the thing is, i GET this, i think both the book and show have some good things in them and the best "version" is the one that combines both. but like - a story needs to be internally consistent lol, certainly a show can go a way you're not interested in and you drop it but that doesn't mean it's inherently going a "bad" way. if the story is consistent...it's fine lol? like, people really wanted the velaryons to be loudly and actively hostile to rhaenyra's branch and it's like well...but the point is that they're smarter than that, they have a clear vested interested in being loyal to rhaenyra, and, oh yeah, they are loyal to her in the books. i get that people wanted laena to hate rhaenyra for having bastards but well, that's not who laena is, and i don't think you (general you) are actually interested in who she is anymore than condal & hess are! you don't have to like every character but disliking a character doesn't always mean they're badly written! and certainly not having baela be out and out aggressive with rhaenyra isn't them "preferring the blacks" anymore than like, portraying alicent as a victim of the patriarchy is "preferring the greens."

like you said, i mean, aemond is gearing up towards a death where he stupidly goes head to head with his much more capable uncle because he's convinced himself he's an anime protagonist and the power of the faith and anime is on his side and gets got. he's not the jon snow, he's not the beric dondarrion, he's not the robb stark, he is victarian, jorah, joffrey, someone who is in over his head and doesn't realize it because he's too busy giving into every violent impulse that crosses his mind. it's fine if that type of character doesn't appeal to you but to say it's ~favoring the blacks~ because....the pathetic death that awaits him is being broadcasted for what it is, that's just goofy. it's not as if daemon is being portrayed any less pathetically, his own daughter and mother by law basically call him a little bitch right to the camera and he's on strike TWO for domestic violence incidents with rhaenyra like. can we be fr!

[atopvisenyashill]

crazy theory is that jace, luke and joff are drogon, rhaegal and viserion. double points for how they died in the show unironically matching the boys deaths.

oh i’ve seen that one!!!! tbh i find a lot of the dragon parallel theories interesting bc i’m very unsure of how it’s going to play out in the show. obviously it’s not gonna be like, euron just taking rhaegal by surprise with an arrow, or viserion going beyond the wall, and drogon just flying off into the unknown. i’ve theorized a lot about them mirroring the conquerer’s dragons, but i’m open to anything lol.

i think that’s interesting bc of the rhaenyra/dany parallels for one, and also the sort of like. confirmed Targaryen boys aksksk. i do feel like drogon is still a big question mark even with the balerion and jacaerys parallel - what in the fuck is happening to that dragon genuinely lol.

[atopvisenyashill]

fandom game: hotd???

Personal involvement with this fandom: i would say i do a lot of hotd posting but i try to stay away from the fandom, this fandom is radioactive in a way i haven't seen since like, my days in the 100 fandom alsdjflkjsad like these bitches are not just rude and toxic they're also STUPID

Sum your feelings for the franchise up in one sentence: wait let me come up with a second sentence ummm.....I respect the artistic vision but it is frustratingly obvious what kind of writers room they have.

Favorite plotline: i like the "jace as a not so secret bastard" story and how the actions echo from viserys to rhaenyra to jacaerys, everyone who complained about the mongrel comment is, as i have said a million times, simply stupid.

Least favorite plotline: ugh. 80% of what the greens were doing post rook's rest. so all over the place without a real throughline, like disjointed scenes all kinda thrown together without room to let them breathe. too much focus on the men in that storyline.

Favorite character: rhaenyra

Least favorite character: criston

OTP: visnyra

NOTP: alicole

If I could change one thing about canon: i mean too many but probably the one that bothers me is the way helaena is being handled. give her more than 3 scenes a season please for the love of god.

[daenerystargarycn]

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