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Two big what Ifs

1-What If Ibrahim Pasha lived longer would he dethrone Sultan Sulieman for Prince Mustafa?

2-What if another prince ascended the throne instead of Prince Selim (Mustafa, Bayezid , mehmet)?

interesting….

1-Well it is somewhat hard to predict it. Ibrahim generally never showed that he is willing to give up SS , even times where SS got sick he was the first one trying to stop Mahidevran from putting any ideas into Mustafa’s head. Of course if it happened and SS fell dead he was going to move on with Mustafa. Would he rebel tho against SS? I can’t see it but I don’t think it is far fetched to say that he would. Towards the end his arrogance grew so much he considered himself on equal foot with SS if not higher cause he believed he tamed to sultan. Could just be some diplomatic words to make foreign ambassadors be like “if the pasha like this imagine how the emperor would be”. Of course belittling the sultan in front of them was not serving the purpose he thought it would. But truly he was getting brave and if he wasn’t executed his bravery would double but to what extent will his bravery lead him I can’t predict. But generally any ruler will hear one of his subjects belittle him like that , specially if his subject is close to his mega popular heir…SS was rightfully paranoid.

2- Bayezid is the easiest to predict. During that time it was him and Selim and he 95% would’ve ended Selim. The remaining 5% is if he ever wanted to sit an example for his many sons to not kill each other even if there is tons of problems between them ,like him and Selim, to still remember they are flesh and blood.

Mehmed is kinda hard because we don’t see his relationship with Bayezid and Selim, they were teenagers. If Mehmed ascended the throne it means that Mustafa is obviously dead cause that ths only way. First scenario is he won’t kill any of them because of Hurrem and Mihrimah but would definitely side eye them all the time like Mu rat side eyed his brothers (he’ll do it in a less psychotic way) or He will kill them but Hurrem will also be dead. The problem with him is that he died young at the age of 21-23 , he didn’t clash with Selim or Bayezid and he didn’t clash with Mustafa either cause he was young. We most see him in his innocent and naive youth. From the look of it he won’t kill anyone as long as Hurrem is a live.

For Mustafa it also depends. If Mahidevran is still alive (which is very likely she lived long) then Hurrem’s kids will get killed gradually. First to get killed will be obviously Selim then bayezid. Bayezid will probably be kept as long as he is swallowing his pride bowing to Mustafa and how he will handle his family being in danger. Idk what will Mustafa do with Cihangir he will likely keep him alive cause unlike the other two, Cihangir can do nothing even if Mustafa killed everyone he loved in front if his eyes. The only situation their is a tiny chance for Hurrem’ sons to live is Mahidevran dying. But again it is also dependent on Selim and Bayezid attitude and if they are considered a threat they will probably be gone. For Hurrem, if her sons will be kept alive then Mustafa will probably exile her cause it wouldn’t make sense to have her sons beside him but kill their mother and expect them ,the grown men, to keep it collected. Mihrimah too will be with Hurrem cause Rustem will certainly not have his head in its place if Mustafa ascended the throne (okay I might be exaggerating but if not executed for Mihrimah and her daughter, probably exiled on an island to not have any human connections)

Anyway we have to understand fratricide law isn’t something they could’ve easily let go through that period. The brother of Ahmed I , Mustafa I, was kept alive only because Ahmed I couldn’t father a child , Ahmed used to get sick when he was young and they were afraid he would die suddenly so the better option was having Mustafa alive cause even if Ahmed fathered, babies dying in that period frequently too. Later Mustafa was never executed after Ahmed had many healthy children for being mentally ill and probably because Ahmed was traumatized and didn’t wanna waste blood specially when he had the chance to actually not waste Mustafa was no threat. So see? The fratricide law started to gradually decrease by merely luck. If Ahmed wasn’t young and Mustafa wasn’t ill mentally fratricide law would’ve been practiced immediately. It was practiced in Osman and Mu rat’s reigns because the princes could try to rebel specially in Mu rat’s case they certainly could (not that they would do it but you get the point)

Anyway I am sorry for the rather long post you probably just wanted short answers. I am afraid I went off topic I quite talkative…