#so you go along with things that are morally questionable under the guise of loyalty

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the parallels between the first duty and pegasus....I See 

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The problems with Supercorp’s current state and the death of Kara’s characterization

I need to get this off my chest and I will be addressing several things so if you ever come across this post, bear with me.

Anyway, as the title suggests, this will be about the current state of Supercorp’s relationship and its issues.

To start, I have loved this ship’s relationship and their dynamics since its introduction in Season 2 of Supergirl and has been one of its biggest supporters. I have seen its ups and downs, dealt with problems with the showrunners, the cast and even inside the fandom. Through it all, I still had hope.

However, it has been heartbreaking to witness what has become of it. So, let’s begin.

The Current State of Supercorp

Let’s start with a summary. In the finale of Season 4, we finally got what we’ve been waiting for, but also dreading for the longest time, which is The Big Reveal. Unfortunately, but also as expected, it was not in a way that was favorable to us because Lena learned about Kara’s secret in the worst way possible, which was through Lex, leaving her feeling more betrayed than ever. That was where we left it in Season 4, but when Season 5 began we learn that weeks had passed. Naturally, Lena, as Lena would, didn’t immediately lash out and bottled up these feelings for weeks. While Kara had been waiting for the right time to tell Lena because she herself could not stand the feeling of guilt any longer, we still saw hints of Lena being hopeful that Kara would finally come clean but she didn’t, which frustrated Lena even more. It never came. Not until she finally decided to formulate a plan to expose Kara. Because those past weeks, the anger had been eating up Lena on the inside and she was dealing with these feelings of anger in an unhealthy way which was her attacking Kara in the VR world through Andrea’s tech. Kara finally came clean however, and explained her side, which was that she selfishly wanted to keep Lena in her life because she knew she had messed up and broke Lena’s trust as Supergirl but still had faith in Kara. Despite being taken aback, Lena used this to her advantage and feigned ignorance for weeks, testing Kara’s loyalty and using her for her plans, which eventually became something that involved Myriad. She planned to use Myriad to change the nature of humans, removing their ability to hurt people. When Kara caught Lena, Lena also finally came clean and revealed that she had known for weeks that Kara had lied to her for the entirety of their friendship, along with their other friends. This led to Lena leaving Kara trapped in the fortress, Alex almost killing Lena to stop her plans, but these plans were halted when the crisis happened and Lex tampered with history.

Flashforward to the 100th episode, Lena has agreed to work with Lex believing he would be a safer bet for her plans to succeed than Kara who would never see things her way and would only compromise her plans due to her attachment and emotions. After a few apologies, Kara still hasn’t had any luck trying to convince Lena and she receives a visit from Mxyzptlk who shows her the different outcomes of telling Lena her secret in different points in time. The show tries to tell us that there is no ideal time to tell her because they all end in disaster and the episode ends with Kara watching a tape of Lena and Lex and having the realization that she’s done apologizing and done trying to convince other people Lena’s not like Lex and “would treat Lena like a villain if she acts like one”. Her stance hasn’t changed until the most recent ep where, more than ever, Kara only sees Lena as a Luthor.

So that’s where we are the moment. Now, onto the issues.

Kara and Lena’s Problems With Each Other

Kara feels a sense of responsibility to the world and feel that the safety of the world rests on her shoulders so naturally, everything that gets in the way of that would be seen as a threat. She feels betrayed that not only did Lena not accept her apology, but she chose to side with her evil brother instead. This feeling continually built up with each passing moment that Lena stayed on that side despite her warning until it reached a point where Kara had turned a complete 180 regarding how she views Lena.

Lena, understandably so, still cannot forgive Kara for lying to her for 3 years, and having also been deceived by their other friends which left her thinking that not only did they not trust her, but they only saw her as a Luthor this whole time which she had even discussed with Sam in the 100th ep. They seem to just keep proving this, such as when Alex had approached her for help during the Crisis and seemed to suggest that she had to be convinced to save the world rather than thinking that Lena would immediately jump at the opportunity when that was all she had been doing this whole time. Saving people. Not once had she hesitated to help, even when she wasn’t on good terms with Supergirl. Kara, especially, who was her rock and emotional support, had deceived her and played the part of the supportive friend who would never hurt her and had always defended her reputation, convincing her and others that she is not like the rest of the Luthors, was, all along, the same person (Supergirl) who betrayed her trust, doubted her good intentions and called her a Luthor, convinced her boyfriend at the time to also betray her, only apologized when she was called out for it, and then proceeded to stay by her side in the guise of her loving best friend knowing full well Lena wouldn’t want Supergirl anywhere near her, let alone touch her, but Kara continued on, keeping her close, offering comfort, hugging her, even when she was still at odds with Supergirl who still at times doubted her that it had to take her brainwashed sister to knock some sense into her about Lena’s good intentions and finally get her to apologize for how she was treating Lena. Kara on more than two occasions used her last name as a personal attack against Lena, perfectly aware that this was a sensitive topic for Lena which she had only revealed to Kara. This would have hurt Lena even more after learning the truth.

Kara’s God Complex

The writers have always had a problem with continuity, we’re well aware of that. It’s evident in how messy the storylines and characterizations of their characters are, but there’s no character that has been butchered as much as Kara. They also keep going back and forth with her characterization especially when she’s Kara vs. when she’s Supergirl.

We knew Kara as a person who always saw the good in people which is why her relationship with Lena worked so well. Lena needed that person who would see past her last name, see her potential and always understand that, as Lex has said once, “She will always fall into the light”. Kara is that person for Lena so in turn, we see Lena believing in herself, always doing the right thing, helping others in any way she can despite others doubting her because it’s okay, Kara believes in her. Through Kara, Supergirl ended up being one of those people too, who Lena could trust and work with, but this went up in flames in Season 3. Supergirl’s image in Lena’s mind was ruined. Lena couldn’t understand why Supergirl believed she could dictate what was right and what was wrong. She even calls her out on her God Complex (it should be important to note this isn’t the first time a character has called her out on this). Supergirl has also done questionable things such as convincing James to trespass into Lena’s lab, she called out Lena for keeping secrets but at that point, hasn’t even considered she had already been lying to Lena for two years. We can say that Lena didn’t need to know Kara’s secret yet at that point, but when Lena had a personal issue with Supergirl, Kara should have come clean or just distanced herself from Lena and not continue on, staying close to Lena and pretending everything’s fine because she selfishly wanted Lena to stay in her life despite knowing Lena was hurt by Supergirl. She swept those problems under a rug. Not only that, but Lena has shown vulnerability with Kara, admitted her mistakes regarding Lex every time she was made a fool of (Seasons 4-5), but we don’t see the same amount of vulnerability from Kara, especially while in the suit. 

Most recently, Lena found out about Kara using Myriad despite being told earlier that it cannot be used by anyone. Lena even offered her help with alternatives but Kara simply brushed her aside. This makes Lena realize that Kara hasn’t changed and calls her out for being “two-faced”. In the next ep, we see Kara has completely turned on Lena that even Alex is telling her they have no reason to doubt Lena yet. She is also angry at Lena suggesting she was a hypocrite, which, let’s be honest, she was. Kara can’t help being on a moral high ground.

Final Thoughts

We can blame the writing, but if this is what it is now, they’re still in a bad place. They will continue to do so until they can address the underlying issues. Lena won’t be able to forgive Kara fully until Kara can be vulnerable with Lena. Lena can’t put herself in Kara’s shoes if Lena doesn’t know the things Kara knows. There’s no denying that Lena had been problematic this season, with Project Non Nocere, Eve, Malefic, Lex, dealing with her pain in an unhealthy way but, Kara only gave up on her in the 100th ep because she felt helpless, defeated and betrayed. However, in Lena’s head, there were hundreds of times Kara could have come clean and she didn’t take any of those opportunities. We are still hearing “Luthor” from Kara and Lena is still the only one admitting any of her mistakes. As far as we know Kara has washed her hands clean. She also doesn’t consider Myriad to be a sore spot. No one from her ‘friends’ also stopped to consider Lena was once again being manipulated. Even Kara has stopped believing that.

I would hope that this season doesn’t end with them easily reconciling until they have addressed all their problems. Even then, it should take time because one episode is just too rushed. They need to unload all of their emotional baggage with each other until they can start fresh. This can’t be solved easily with favors and kind gestures, what they need is deep conversations and vulnerability from each other.

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@volcania​​ asked  /  snapdragon & violet :))

snapdragon  /  is your muse merciful ? why, or why not ?

to an extent, yes. mercy is a choice that nabooru constantly makes, because she grew up in a world & a war that was distinctly lacking in it, & she’s seen first - hand the consequences of that. people being unwilling to choose compassion when they could instead choose cruelty defined her early life, in the queen & king of hyrule who refused to end the war; in the gerudo chief, yejide, who refused to yield when they finally did, keeping her people isolated & alienated; in the merchants & travelers of hyrule, who hoarded their goods & would rather see crops burned & destroyed than given to the starving, simply because those who suffered were gerudo; in her own king & former friend, when ganondorf decided to play prometheus in pursuit of the power of the gods & use that power to plunge the world into darkness, rather than use it for any sort of good. by the time nabooru came to full power as gerudo chief, she was almost forty, & she had seen some shit, both mundane & divine, & had decided that by that point, enough was enough. no more would grudges be held simply for the sake of there being a grudge, & no longer would ill - informed souls who stumbled into the gerudo fortress be imprisoned for trespassing, unless they could prove ill - intent, & no longer would she allow her people to be ruled by someone who allowed stubbornness & pride to be the compass by which they set their morals. she was lucky in that zelda came into power when she did, & the two were willing to reach out & work together in order to establish a much more peaceful hyrule, a direct contrast to their predecessors, but still - mercy only extends so far if you’re the only one giving it. having someone else willing to meet her half - way & choose the same sense of compassion, rather than cruelty & spite, helped nabooru make her choice.

but again, nabooru is merciful to an extent. she wants to make the world a better place than she found it before she leaves it, & that doesn’t mean kindness just for its own sake. those who still swear allegiance to ganondorf, or hold on to prejudices of the past, or attempt to make the lives of the gerudo harder simply because oh, they’re gerudo & they deserve it earn no leniency from her. she’s merciful to the deserving, & she’s generally a good judge of character to go along with that, but she’s not a fool, & she doesn’t suffer them either. it also tends to vary depending on what verse is being written, too ! nabooru in her canon verses is a much nicer person than, say, either of her twilight princess verses, & there’s a split between those, too. the nabooru who dwells in the desert is ruthless, but not merciless, & will let trespassers go in the end. the nabooru who lives in the hylian court, however, is that terrible combination of both ruthless & merciless, fuelled by a not - entirely - unjustified hatred, & would spare no - one in her pursuit of revenge.

she has a great capacity for mercy, for sure. her base personality in all verses, before the events of them get to her, is almost always one in which compassion is a core tenet. whether or not that stays a part of her personality depends on just how determined the gods* are to beat it out of her in any given part of the timeline.

(  * it’s me it’s all me i’m not even sorry sometimes she’s fun when she’s evil.  )

violet  /  how does your muse respond to betrayal ?

in a word ? terribly, if the betrayal is serious enough. after all there’s a difference between  ❛  i ate the last persimmon even though i said i would leave it for you  ❜  &  ❛  i’m going to allow my surrogate mothers to brainwash you & allow you to rot alone in a defiled temple which holds religious significance to you for seven years whilst i sit in a tower & play some funky fucking music  ❜  isn’t there, ganondorf.

in all seriousness, to betray her is one of the worst things a person can do to nabooru, because it isn’t something that she, herself, would ever dream of considering. loyalty is built into her very bones, & the clearest example of this is when the civil war ended, & the gerudo chief at the time, yejide, announced the terms the queen & king consort had provided weren’t good enough, so she was going to tell them to go to hell. nabooru was seventeen at the time, & the war had been going on for her entire life. to see her leader throwing two fingers up at the peace terms left her fairly demoralized, & she wasn’t the only one - but she was the one who found herself utterly horrified when a few people began to talk of breaking ranks, & throwing themselves upon the mercy of hylian royalty. in her eyes, that was a betrayal of their people, & she could honestly say, hand to goddess, she would rather die than do anything of the sort.

so loyalty informed a lot of nabooru’s life. she was loyal to her mother, & to her sisters - in - arms, & her people, & once he ascended to the throne, she would have died for her king if he had asked. there’s simply no question about it. if the choice was between her life or ganondorf’s, she would have thrown herself in front of a thousand blades. his betrayal then, it’s safe to say, utterly broke her. (  & it isn’t even necessarily because it was a personal thing ! i write a neutral nabooru in regards to ganondorf unless we’ve explicitly plotted a different dynamic. she simply thought she could comfortably assume that the literal king of the gerudo could put his people’s wants & needs above his own, & wasn’t expecting to be proved so spectacularly wrong.  ) it truly was the one betrayal she never expected to see. ganondorf broke the code of the gerudo in needlessly murdering men, women & children, & then under the guise of going to help them, utterly abandoned his people in pursuit of divine power. even after the events of ocarina of time, trying to understand why ganondorf did it absolutely haunts her. she dwells on it deep into her twilight years, because she was his second - in - command at the time, & she blames herself for not seeing it, or if she did, not pushing back hard enough against it, or if even then, not being enough of a steadying influence, or a guiding hand, or -

it sends her into a spiral, as you can see, & although ganondorf’s betrayal is an incredibly extreme example, her reactions would remain fairly consistent, if on a smaller scale. a lot of second - guessing herself, wondering how she didn’t see it coming, wondering where she could have changed something, if it was even possible to prevent it at all, just. a whole lot of dwelling on circumstances that were probably outside of her control, but would greatly vex her forever after. it would certainly put a pretty big dent into her sense of trust, & that would go on to affect how she sees everyone, make her more suspicious & less open. nabooru’s response to a betrayal would be to close herself off, put up walls, & obsess over it, despite herself, & again, that’s in her canon verse, in a good verse - circling back to the twilight princess verses once more, those two would just immediately start planning a murder. different ways of processing things, i guess !

botanical headcanons  /  accepting.