#so what is it with eddie... why does she feel so strongly about him in such a negative way...
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please break this down for me who has autism and cannot for the life of me read nuanced facial expressions because I don't get the excitement? Nothing significant happened? Why is everyone taking this as literal confirmation? I hate my brain sometimes because I don't get it 😞
I'll try my best Nonny.
The entire Buddie scene was gold. The way Buck just walked in as if he is used to doing this, even though this isn't his own home? The way Eddie obviously doesn't seem to mind that Buck does this?
All of this is a big tell that these two are closer than close. That this is something that regularly occurs. Even Maddie didn't just walk into her brother's loft last week when she brought Jee over.
The kitchen scene was also amazing. Eddie complimenting Buck on his baking, Buck giving him that little pleased smile, while rummaging through Eddie's cupboards as if it's his own home. And again, Eddie lets him. He doesn't seem to care. Every single frame of this scene shows us just how comfortable Buck is in the Diaz house. He belongs there. And Eddie loves it.
Then Buck sees Eddie turn over the tablet. He's immediately curious why Eddie does this. Instead of letting it go, he actually picks up the tablet and looks, while Eddie doesn't even protest.
This is something I would never ever think of doing when I'm around my friends. When my friend's tablet or phone is lying around, I won't just take it to see what they were doing on it earlier. That's just so impolite and a breach of trust. The only person I would allow to do something like this or the only person I wouldn't feel uncomfortable doing this to would be my significant other.
So again, this is a very telling scene.
Buck's face falls when Eddie reveals he's looking at houses in El Paso to be closer to Chris. But he quickly recovers and tells Eddie he's helping him out. Once again, Buck is stepping right into Eddie's mess to help him.
As he sits down, Eddie looks at him fondly, obviously appreciating Buck wanting to help out like that. Then we focus on Buck's face and he goes through an entire face journey:
First he is still smiling a little, but as soon as Eddie turns around, his smile drops away. You can clearly see him process the news that Eddie is leaving. You can see on his face that it's hitting him that he'll lose Eddie (and Chris) forever if he goes back to El Paso. He is blinking quickly which is a sign of distress. He then looks down at the tablet that's still on the website with the houses and for a brief second you can see the despair on his face. He is going through all the stages of 'OH FUCK NO! I DON'T WANT HIM TO LEAVE ME!'.
Now, I don't think he quite understands why he is feeling so strongly about this, but as 8b will progress, he'll most definitely do some more introspection and it will hit him like an anvil then, that he is in love with Eddie.
Hope this helped Nonny. ❤️
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What’s up with the ties between Sally & Eddie?
There are quite a few - to the point where I’m starting to suspect that they may be foils, or at least inherently tied together in the story.
First let's bring things back to the clocks. The “day” side has an obvious resemblance to Sally, like how the “night” side resembles Eddie. There’s not really much I can say here since we don’t know much more yet, and who knows if this has changed behind the scenes. But just think about that, the rarity of the color purple, night vs day, and the “monster”. Keep it in your head, I think it may be important.
Also the fact that Eddie is the only one with a watch, but Sally’s face has an incredibly similar face on her door.
Obviously Sally has some sort of beef with Eddie, despite him being nothing but friendly and (to our knowledge) being undeserving of it. One thought I entertained was “maybe Sally is dismissive of him because he’s a worker,” but that holds zero water when you consider how perfectly friendly Sally was with Howdy (karen Sally debunked <3). The second thought I had was “maybe Sally senses the queer in Eddie and it intimidates her” - which would make sense if Sally is a lesbian like I suspect. Internalized homophobia, anyone? This holds up if Eddie is going to turn out to be - not open about himself, but comfortable in his skin in a way that, say, Frank isn’t. Which I have a feeling that will be the case, which would likely make Sally put on airs even more so than usual.
Anyone else seeing a continuous trend of (social) masks and performances unfolding in the Neighborhood? I sure am.
But let’s talk about why I think they might be foils. They balance each other out in an interesting way, despite their only solid similarity being that Both will work/perform no matter the weather. They have a lot of closely related differences:
Eddie has been mentioned (and implied within the story so far) to have a deeper well of knowledge than he lets on, but acts humble about it. Sally has been mentioned (and implied) to know less than she portrays, but acts like a bit of a know-it-all - she pretends to know things that she doesn’t.
Eddie’s role is about helping others at his own expense, while Sally’s is using others to reach fame.
Eddie strives to connect with his Neighbors and is all about accuracy/precision. Sally is in her own little world and has proved to be more than willing to improvise / not think things through before acting.
Eddie is slow to anger, and Sally is easily irritated.
Selfless vs Selfish.
Night vs Day.
And to put them in the Johari Window - i believe that Sally resides in the Blind Spot (known to others, not known to self), and Eddie resides in either the Facade (not known to others, known to self) OR the Unknown (not known to others, not known to self). Personally I’m starting to believe that Eddie may reside in both.
It’s far too early to draw any real conclusions, and theorizing on all of this is difficult. I feel as though - as usual - we have puzzle pieces but no frame of reference for the way they fit together, what picture they build. And who knows, tomorrow’s update may shred this to ribbons, but I doubt it.
One thought I had was that they’re in cahoots about something - it doesn’t have to be something malicious or some sort of secret plot, it could simply be something they both know and are trying to keep quiet about. Eddie is trying to connect with Sally since they have this in common, but Sally is actively putting distance between them to preserve their secret / plausible deniability. Do I actually believe this? Meh. I’m just throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks.
So current base thoughts: Sally is dismissive of Eddie either because he intimidates/scares her on an internalized level, or she’s actively trying to put distance between them for a currently unknown reason. There’s probably a secret third option I haven’t even considered!
#she's just so fascinatingly dismissive of him in a way she isn't with anyone else#she exclusively calls him 'mailman' she brushes him off when he tries to talk about her halloween costume-#i bet if anyone else has so much as Mentioned the word 'pedrolino' sally would be on them abt it#much like how barnaby had to Escape a convo w/ her bc she was that passionate#so what is it with eddie... why does she feel so strongly about him in such a negative way...#ITS KEEPING ME UP AT NIGHT <3#there is so much to unpack there i feel but i dont have the right scissors yet...#homebogging#welcome home speculation#wh speculation#man i feel so bad for eddie#he's trying to be friendly!!! he's trying to be her friend so hard!!! MAN.#i suspect that if eddie snaps in some way (he probably will) it will likely be in relation to sally#bc no one else treats him that way. like. even like... howdy keeps up an amicable pretense#but sally is straight up out here treating him like a pack mule named 'mailman' and brushing him off with obvious disinterest/frustration#LIKE DAMN. GIRL. WHAT DID HE DO TO DESERVE THIS#i love it. its fascinating. i cant wait to see how that unfolds
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I wanna ruin our friendship (we should be lovers instead)
After losing a bet with Will about the lyrics of a Prince song, Steve has to take the kids to a new arcade a town over.
They end up having a great time and because they somehow manage not to leave him broke he takes them to dinner after, so by the time they return home, it’s pretty late at night.
Between yawns, he drops them one by one, the last being Max, who, after the trailer park was destroyed, is living in an apartment with her mom not far away from the small duplex Steve is sharing with Robin.
They are sitting in comfortable silence, music playing low on the radio when Max says,
“I need advice”
Steve raises his eyebrows, surprised she’s asking him for advice, but keeps quiet and waits for her to continue.
“Love advice” she elaborates.
At this, Steve can’t help but snort, “You know I'd love to help you Fiery but I’m probably the worst person to ask love advice.”
“Don’t be stupid Steve, you are the best person to ask. I don’t know anyone who loves as strongly as you do.”
It’s a good thing they just got to a stop because Steve could’ve swerved the car at that if they had been moving. He looks at Max but she’s looking out the window, though he can see her ears are as red as her hair right now.
He barely resists the urge to hug her and softly says, “Okay, ask me then.”
“I’m in love with Lucas”
There’s a silence and Max turns to him frowning when he doesn’t reply, he laughs softly, “I knew that. And Lucas loves you Fiery, so what’s the problem?”
She stays silent, looking out the window and hugging herself so Steve takes a guess, “You are scared of losing him?”
“I just-! What if he wants to get back together because he’s clinging to the past? What if we do and then he realizes I’ve changed and he doesn't want me anymore?!”
“Max…”
“I’m not the same person I was when we met, we were just kids! I-”
“You are still just kids” Steve interrupts her and she rolls her eyes at him,
“We were younger- whatever, the thing is……I’m scared” she finishes with a small voice.
Steve sighs, making a turn on the street to Max's apartment, as he thinks about what to say.
“Look, Lucas is a smart kid, he’s not clinging to anything, he knows you’ve changed, he’s been there the whole time and he still wants you. And I get how you feel, but it’s worth isn't it?”
They get to the apartment building and Steve just gets out of the car with her and follows her up the stairs as he keeps talking,
“Being with the person you love it’s worth taking the risk, and I know you are scared and it’s not always going to be easy. You... are not easy,” he tells her and bumps their shoulders lightly making her snort.
They are standing in the hallway outside Max’s door now, but they just stop and keep talking,
“But you are worth the trouble Max, and so is Lucas. So you’ll make it work. I know you will.”
He smiles at her and she rolls her eyes but smiles for a second after and slaps him lightly on the chest.
“Okay,” She says simply and moves to open her door but then turns and looks at him, “Why don’t you take your own advice, Steve?”
“What do you mean?” He asks confused.
And Max raises her eyebrows and looks pointedly behind her, at the door of the apartment across from hers…
Eddie’s apartment.
Fuck.
He skips the denials and the questions about how she knows out of respect for her and goes straight to the reason,
“It’s not the same,” he says and then lowers his voice as if Eddie is just behind his door listening to them, “Eddie doesn’t like me back.”
Max rolls her eyes again and Steve is starting to get worried her eyes are going to get stuck like that as he likes to tell Mike all the time.
“Of course he does. But that’s beside the point. The point was love was worth taking a chance and you’ll never know if you don’t take it, right?” she says knowingly raising her brows at him and making him feel like he’s the younger one of the two.
He huffs and then blinks, “Wait, what do you mean of course he likes me?”
“Steve how come you didn’t ask me how I knew you liked Eddie?” she asks instead of answering.
“I assumed you figured it out 'cause you are smart, observant, and mature” he answers naturally and blushes a little at Max's huge answering smile.
“That’s your answer,” she says smugly, “Ok I’m done with the heart to heart” and she turns to open her door, “Don’t be a hypocrite follow your own advice.”
“Wait! Two-second hug!” Steve warns her before he hugs her,
Max laughs and counts, “one, two, ok! Times up!” and Steve lets her go, both of them chuckling.
“Gnight Steve” she says getting inside.
“Gnight Fiery”
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And then he’s left standing there in the hallway. He turns and looks at Eddie’s door as he feels it looming behind him.
Now that the hallway is quiet he can hear the faint sound of Eddie’s acoustic, and Steve melts imagining the sight of Eddie sitting there plucking at his guitar.
‘Fuck it’ he thinks, takes a deep breath, and knocks on the door.
‘fuck it, fuck it, fuck it, fuck it, fuc-’
“Hey, Steve”
“Fuck- I mean! Hi, Eddie.”
Eddie is standing in his doorway, with his hair up in a messy bun, crop top, and sweatpants, and the light from the kitchen illuminating him from behind and making him look ethereal.
It takes Steve’s breath away.
Eddie smiles at him amused, “Sure! Fuck. What’s up, man? Everything ok?”
“Yeah! I just wanted to tell you something, can we talk?” He smiles back.
“Sure dude, please trespass,” Eddie tells him moving away from the door and making an exaggerated bow.
Steve smiles amused and wipes his sweaty palms on the back of his jeans and stands awkwardly in the middle of the room.
“Table, couch, or counter?” Eddie asks and Steve blinks and shakes his head because there’s potential for a joke involving Eddie’s bed there but he needs to keep his head in the game.
Instead of answering Steve moves to the couch and sits leaving plenty of space for Eddie to sit too.
If Eddie thinks he’s being weird, he pays it no mind, he just shrugs and sits on the arm of the couch, knees bend and feet on the pillow, facing Steve.
Steve keeps facing forward, unable to look at Eddie as he starts talking, “Just left Max at her place, and we were talking on the way here… about- about things that were worth taking a risk for.”
He chances a glance at Eddie, who is looking at him intently with his hands placed on his knees and his chin on top of them.
It makes the back of his neck feel like fire and he scratches at it absently taking his eyes off Eddie, “Things like relationships with the person you lo-like” he says and cringes at his slip-up.
He waits for a beat, then two, and looks at Eddie when the silence extends for too long, Eddie is staring at him with a small crease on his eyebrows, “So… you knocked at my door at midnight to talk to me about… a relationship?” he asks unsure.
And Steve turns on the couch to face Eddie and nods, once.
Eddie opens his mouth and closes it, and blinks at him. “Why?”
“Because you- because I need to know if there’s even the tiniest chance you could possibly like me back, because- because you are worth taking that risk for,” Steve answers.
And Eddie sits up straight, gapes at him, eyes huge, and blinks a couple of times.
“YES!!” He suddenly screams falling forward on the couch and kneeling closer to Steve. He gasps and covers his mouth for a second before placing both of them on Steve’s hand.
“Sorry, I didn't mean to yell,” he says sheepishly and Steve smiles at him, “Steve, of course, I lolike you back,” he tells him smiling knowingly at him.
And Steve snorts, because of course Eddie wouldn't let that slip past him, “So, Eddie,” he starts, and leans closer to him, putting his free hand on top of Eddie’s, “Would you be my boyfriend?” he asks shily but Eddie sighs and says,
“I don’t know Steve, depends on how good of a kisser you are ca-” Steve cuts him off with a kiss.
He goes all out, pulls all his best tricks, determined on leaving Eddie breathless. And Eddie responds enthusiastically, the corners of his mouth pulling slightly up like he can't stop himself from smiling.
Steve places his hands on Eddie's face, and tilts it to the side, deepening the kiss and making Eddie moan when he sucks on his lower lip and pulls at it with his teeth.
Eddie moves on the couch and straddles Steve not once stopping the kiss as Steve moves his hands to Eddie’s hair, and pulls at it slightly which makes Eddie rolls his hips onto Steve, and he breaks the kiss with a gasp.
Eddie chuckles breathlessly, ”Hell yes, I knew you’d be amazing at this,” he tells him, kissing his forehead and then his nose.
And Steve scrunches it in return, “Asshole” he tells him.
“Your asshole” Eddie whispers and Steve smiles wickedly at him,
“Yeah?” he murmurs, moving his hands on Eddie’s waist lower and grabbing his ass, letting his fingers move dangerously close to the aforementioned asshole.
Eddie sucks air through his teeth and grinds on Steve again, “Oh, hell yes” he breathes before claiming his mouth again.
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Max is standing in her kitchen, phone in hand, and trying to gather the courage to dial Lucas's number to ask him on a date when she hears Eddie scream a very enthusiastic ‘yes’. She snorts, ‘Guess Steve got his answer’ she thinks with a smirk before she sighs and starts dialing, there’s no way she’s gonna let Steve one up her like that.
fin
☕🥐💕 cafecito?
#steddie#stranger things#eddie munson#steve harrington#max mayfield#lucas sinclair#i wrote something
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okay SO. i know i don't even go here, i'm a janitor!eddie girlie BUT i feel very strongly about hockey!eddie because he's insane but also so dumb and i love dumbasses. anyways. i was reading what you said about him being grossed out by his teammates when they cheat and i had this idea so i wanna share it with you
imagine, if you will, that reader becomes really good friends with another hockey wife. young couple, maybe they recently had a baby and reader is obsessed, eddie is obsessed because omg my girl with a baby why is this awakening something in me, it's all very cute. double dates type of shit, maybe this is the first time reader has felt included in the wives and girlfriends club! and then eddie's teammate cheats on his wife and reader finds out. she's DEVASTATED because that's her friend!!!! that's her adopted nephew/niece!!! why would that asshole do that??? so ofc she goes and tells eddie and eddie is LIVID. next day at the locker room eddie breaks his nose or something lmao
god this is so sick and so good because i feel it. like i can see it so vividly.
she finally gets into the group, feels apart of it, and is enjoying herself. plus, she's with this other wife, who seemingly has made it work ya know? husband still plays and she's with him, but also has a balance to her life and schedule, and a baby??? it's like everything reader has wanted, and she's seeing someone have it, and it gives her hope. like all these fears, they're silly bc this can work!
eddie's close with the teammate, but not the most close, bc they're on opposite sides (defense and offense) so they don't really practice and play as much. but still, he likes him, thinks he's a cool guy.
they all get super close, especially during off season, and hang out all the time. guys got a wife, a career, a baby? he's older, been traded before and kinda takes eddie under his wing. truly, they're very very fast friends.
then they go out one night. maybe they had a press thing to do, or a team meeting, decide to go for a beer after it.
eddie's thinking nothing of it, they're sitting at some bar or club or whatever, and next thing he knows, there's two girls?? the guy had called them?? he kisses the one girl in greeting and eddie is immediately sick to his stomach. floored, shocked, disgusted, hurt- all of the above.
he leaves, right there. no warning, nothing, just leaves. is visibly shaken when he tells you later, rambling, eyes wide, just perplexed.
i feel like he wouldn't jump right into beating him. you both talk and are like "no way, there's no way, right?" maybe they're in an open relationship? maybe they swing? maybe they're freaky like that?
so eddie tries to talk to him the next day about it. "i know you'd never do that, man. i'm sorry. i just, i kinda freaked."
but his teammate doesn't reassure him. doesn't tell him that his wife knows. he kinda gets quiet. "i mean, no, she doesn't know, but she really doesn't need to. now does she?" he kinda shrugs. "i mean, we just had a baby, and ya know, she's so tired all the time. it'd be shitty of me to ask her."
eddie is, once again, sick. jaw dropped, he can't even speak, he's so fucking sick. "plus the road gets lonely. you know what i mean." the teammate continues. "look, i love my wife. i don't think there's anything wrong with getting a little something every now and then. it's purely physical. i wear a rubber, get what i need, and come home and keep them happy. i mean, what's the point of causing issues in my own marriage, when i could do this? take care of it."
"you don't think fucking around on your wife is causing issues in your own marriage?" eddie sneers.
"no." he scoffs. "not unless she finds out. what she doesn't know won't hurt her, right?" he shakes his head, shrugs it off nonchalantly. "look, kid, i get it. you're in love right now with your girl. it's all about her and nothings better, and that's great. for now. then you'll want a little more, and, hey, there's nothing wrong with that. it's biologically encoded in our dna as mammals to need more than one mate. monogamy, it's barbaric. and you'll understand. one day... you know, shit won't look the same, feel the same, and you'll-"
that's when eddie breaks his teeth. knocks him clear out, his coaches and team mates running to break it up, confused why there's a fight on the sidelines? no regrets from eddie. he got fined, had to run suicides until he threw up, but it was worth it. knocking that piece of shit out, totally worth it.
#oneforthemunny#munnytalks#hockey!eddie munson#hockey!eddie munson x reader#hockey player!eddie munson
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Stranger Things Endgame ships
Jopper 110%
No happy ending without Jopper, not even a bittersweet one. Mom and dad.. Solid as a rock. Forevvva!!
Byler 100%
Might be under Jopper, but still a solid 100%. Iconic, legendary, best thing about the show. Will improve the rewatchability of the show by also 100%! Literally people will gasp when watching S1 after finishing S5. GASP!
Duzie 95%
They gave Dustin the perfect girlfriend. There is no reason to take her away.
Rockie 90%
Obviously happening, as promised in S4. I guess one of them could die, but not likely. Or they could kiss but somehow separate in the end? Very unlikely.
Lumax 85%
I wish they were higher, but I'm not fully convinced she is going to be okay? I really hope they are endgame and I believe so.
Jancy 48%
Could be endgame. I just don't know. It doesn't feel like the resolution of their arc? Jonathan wants to go to that one specific college and be free of his responsibilities, just live for himself for a while and thrive. Nancy feels like another responsibility to him to go to some other college and whatnot... Nancy wants to go to her specific college and pursue a career. What does Jonathan add to her dreams? Both were relieved not to see the other at Spring break even though they love each other, you know? Yeah, sry, I hope they are not endgame. (Better than Jonathan dying tho!!!)
Stancy 10%
I don't think so, as you can tell from the percentage, but I guess they could go crazy to be surprising or something. Please not! Steve deserves real love too and not "I guess you are not as dumb as back in the day and your chest is not bad at all"
Steddie 5%
I'm surprising myself, but I guess the possibility is above 0. No real reason why not. Sure Steve is straight and Eddie is dead, but would you bet a limb on either of those facts? It would be kinda unserious, so I strongly doubt.
Mileven 0%
But I secretly love them and they are canon, so they get a pic. Hope there will be lots of sad Mileven edits for my viewing pleasure post S5! They so cute! Lookatmypookies! Cuuute. And doomed.
#and everything else is below 0#stranger thinngs#stranger things 5#byler#jopper#lumax#duzie#rocvickie#elmike#my beloved#stranger things predictions
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Do we see anybody that we knew as a human turned into a vampire after The Harsh Light of Day? Do we see how the others react to that?
(I know we see Sandy from Doppelgangland as a vampire later, but that's not what I have in mind: I'm talking about characters that Buffy or the rest of the Scooby Gang actually knew as people.)
I've complained about this before at least a couple of times (although Tumblr's search feature wants me to believe otherwise), but the way the gang react to finding out that Harmony is a vampire in that episode just feels iike such an abrupt tonal shift. And I'm wondering whether it marks a genuine change in how the show deals with newly sired vampires completely, or if it's just the last time the issue ever comes up.
Yes, Buffy's vampire lore isn't particularly well-developed, but prior to this point the show had been pretty consistent. You don't 'become' a vampire, there is no true continuity of self. You die, and a vampire with your memories takes over your corpse. Yes, that vampire's personality is often based on yours -- even if the show isn't explicit about it until Season 3, that's obvious from the first time we see Jesse become a vampire in The Harvest and continue his obsession with Cordelia, and it's the only reason that can explain why Giles keeps telling people that various vampires were hardened killers even "before" becoming vampires, which he does as early as Season 1's Never Kill A Boy On The First Date -- but the show maintains a clear distinction between the vampire's victim and the newly risen vampire. You do not become a vampire. You are not them, however similar they are to you in appearance and behaviour and desires. You are dead.
So we have Giles talking to Xander about Jesse in Season 1's The Harvest:
"Listen to me. Jesse is dead! You have to remember that when you see him, you're not looking at your friend. You're looking at the thing that killed him."
And Buffy talking to Ford in Season 2's Lie To Me about his plan to "become immortal":
"That's not how it works. You die, and a demon sets up shop in your old house, and it walks, and it talks, and it remembers your life, but it's not you."
Even in Season 3's Doppelgangland [which has the gang treating Willow's vampire alter ago very oddly at the end] everyone's reaction to seeing Willow as a vampire is still to be shocked and saddened and speak about Willow in the past tense.
Here's Angel breaking the bad news:
"Something's happened ... Willow's dead."
And earlier, Buffy blaming herself for her friend's death:
"I-it's [my fault]. She must have gone out and gotten attacked [...] And now my best friend is..."
Or Willow when she walks in on them mourning:
"Jeez, who died?"
As late as the Season 4 opener The Freshman we have Buffy's reaction to finding out what happened to her new friend Eddie:
"I was worried that something had happened to you ... and of course it has, 'cause you're a vampire. I'm sorry."
Not explicitly saying that Eddie's dead, sure, but certainly acknowledging that something bad happened to him (and completely consistent with the take on vampires that goes all the way back to the beginning of Season 1).
Then we get to The Harsh Light Of Day, just a couple of episodes later, and the collective reaction to finding out that Harmony is a vampire -- Harmony, who Buffy's known for years and the others have known for longer, who it's at least strongly implied was killed during the battle against the Mayor in Graduation Day, meaning that unlike Eddie or Theresa or Jesse or whoever else Harmony's death actually is Buffy's fault, at least a little bit -- and how does Buffy react?
She laughs.
"Harmony's a vampire? She must be dying without a reflection."
And I know none of the gang like Harmony -- I know Harmony was very hard to like -- but isn't this just remarkably callous? Harmony isn't "dying" -- she died months ago, helping them all fight against the Mayor's Ascension. She didn't decide to "become" a vampire on some fickle whim. She died saving the world. The Gang could at least pretend to be sad about that for five seconds.
#btvs#of course nobody ever shows any sign of being sad that Larry died either#(the way Harmony is treated within the episode itself is also repellent but that's a different conversation)
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eddie or chimney for the character asks
Why not both?
Eddie
How I feel about this character: I like Eddie and I'm looking forward to his storyline this season to see what he'll do while Chris is in Texas.
All the people I ship romantically with this character: Shannon, Josh, Lucy, Linda, Vanessa, Dr. Salazar. I don't feel that strongly about any Eddie ship, though.
My non-romantic OTP for this character: Buck.
My unpopular opinion about this character: More like Ramon than fandom thinks. I feel any opinion about the mustache is unpopular because it's so divisive but I hate it.
One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: I'd like him to have more scenes with characters who aren't Buck or Bobby. Hen's perspective on the Kim situation would have been fascinating - it's not a 1:1 map onto the Eva situation, but it's close to something she's experienced and would be able to give advice about.
Chimney
How I feel about this character: Watching season one, he was my least favorite; now I love him.
All the people I ship romantically with this character: Maddie! <3 And Bobby, and I think Chimney/Kevin has possibility, as does Chim/Tommy.
My non-romantic OTP for this character: Hen, of course.
My unpopular opinion about this character: His Begins episode is the best. (Is that unpopular?) Should chill on the gum chewing because sometimes I feel like I'm watching bad ASMR. Actually has the worst dad, which is a high bar to clear.
One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: I want to see a daddy-daughter day out; Madney wedding reception; I want more scenes between him and Bobby.
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Hii, about your buck/natalia post i think https://www.tumblr.com/poughkeepsies/717587338097754112/okay-heres-the-thing-about-the-stupid-fucking?source=share this one explains it very well imo and theres another couch meta that when i find ill send it to you, but yeah like you said everything they show us is the opposite of what buck pov tells us
These are excellent points and had it been any other episode I’d be all over them.
I don’t buy into this being a deliberate choice. They wrote the episode to be the series finale and they put every character exactly where it’s supposed to be (they decided that meant with their romantic partner and i strongly disagree but that’s another thing): Athena and Bobby are on that honeymoon they wanted since season 3, Hen and Karen finally have a little girl, Maddie and Chimney found their happiness and are planning their wedding, Eddie “finally moved on” (I also have a lot of problems with this).
It’s like every other series finale, they want to leave the characters in a place where the audience can imagine they’re gonna leave a long and happy life. “Letting go of the past and moving on to the future” as Bobby says. So why would they leave Buck hanging and making what the audience can see is yet another mistake? What those great meta are saying and what other people told me is “this is Buck’s pov, she’s not the right person for him, Buck thinks/decides she’s the right person for him but we can see she isn’t. Eddie and Christopher are the right people and they told us with all the couch scenes at Eddie’s place during the season”. That’s what I also thought before the episode and that fits perfectly with the couch metaphor and it would have worked perfectly if this was a mid-season finale or even if 6x18 felt less definitive.
But it feels like an ending. They closed every other arc. I don’t think they said “let’s wrap everything up and let’s just leave Buck in the same place he was when Abby left, when he asked Taylor to move in after he kissed Lucy, when he decided to run to Eddie instead of facing Taylor after she betrayed his trust: desperately clinging to yet someone else even though it’s clear to everyone that it’s not gonna work. Just in case we get renewed”. Because that means they think that’s enough to make the entire audience tune in next season (do you remember when that shitty journalist wrote “if you don’t love Buck why are you even watching 911”. I love Buck but I refuse to believe he’s right). But even if they decided Buck’s actually the main character and that’s why his ending is different than everyone else, it’s not different enough and it doesn’t work as a starting point for next season. You know what could have been a great starting point for next season? Buck deciding to quit LAFD because of how he feels after he died. And they laid down the groundwork for that.
But he didn’t. He’s pretty settled. That’s why i think the audience is supposed to think he got a “happy ending” like everyone else and she’s the right person for him. But like I said in my previous post (x) it doesn’t work at all and everyone can see that.
And now my unpopular opinion on why this happened: it wasn’t a choice, it doesn’t work because they fucked up. They wanted to have it both ways: they didn’t write a character who feels like Buck’s soulmate, they wrote as little of her as they could and they described her exactly like every other Buck’s ex girlfriend because they didn’t want to alienate buddie fans. They deliberately wrote her as bad for Buck and you can see this if you compare her to Kameron who wasn’t, she was written as pretty neutral for Buck. We also don’t know much about Kameron and it still feels like she likes Buck more than Natalia does.
But they also didn’t plan to make buddie canon. So Buck ended up being the only character who found his happy ending in someone who was written like every other character who made him miserable. I just think he deserved better.
#and I’m mad not because of buddie but because they refused to make a choice#you don’t want buddie? fine. at least write someone who actually cares about him#buddie#buck#911 fox
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Iris West-Allen for the character ask game?
1: sexuality headcanon
Bi or pan
2: otp
Westhawne or Westhallen - while westallen did grow on me, I can't say I ever got over the feeling that Iris got together with Barry because she had everyone and their doppleganger telling her that she was destined for Barry and... not because she actually chose him for herself. Whereas Eddie? Saying screw destiny? She wanted that, enthusiastically so.
And, well, close the triangle!! Westhallen!!
3: brotp
When not shipping her with Barry, definitely brotp with Barry. But also Linda and Wally and Kamilla. She deserved more time with those three.
4: notp
Kamilla. I was so desperate for Iris to have a friend again that when she got one I shipped them platonically so hard that I just don't see Iris/Kamilla in a romantic way.
5: first headcanon that pops into my head
Iris is a roller coaster fiend. She loves them so much, going so fast and all the ups and downs and upside downs and spins... so of course she loves it when Barry runs with her because it's such a similar experience.
6: favorite line from this character
I have a few different favorite lines, but... summing up why keeping her locked out of the loop was a terrible idea
Did you ever stop to think that looping me in would keep me safe? That if I knew what was out there that I could prepare for it? Maybe I could have helped you and Barry put the bad guys away instead of being in the way!
She deserved to call them out on that and I'm glad she got to.
7: one way in which I relate to this character
I've had people try to tell me that I'm obviously attracted to someone that I was not before and since I hadn't figured out I was aro yet I really wondered if they were right in telling me that. It was definitely a very confusing and upsetting experience. So everyone shoving Iris at Barry in S1 and her being confused and upset over it is something I very strongly related with.
8: thing that gives me second hand embarrassment about this character
not so much stuff that she does but the way people often treat her. There's very much a tendency towards other characters to treat her like they've got the right to make her decisions for her and it's super painful to watch when it happens
9: cinnamon roll or problematic fave?
cinnamon roll ^_^
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Ship Ask Game: 4 & 11 any ship?
I'll do both a fandom pairing and an OG pairing, since idk what side of the aisle you're coming from so to speak.
Who initiates affection? Why does the other not initiate affection as much?
Eddie/Jessica (CTM): Jessica. Eddie is SHY. And also inexperienced in terms of romance and affection. Fred is affectionate but mildly touch-averse, Angel and Dido have been out of the picture for long enough that Eddie can't really remember how showing affection between them went, and she's never had an actual girlfriend before (only hook ups). Also. Lmao. Jessica is intimidating. It's not so much that Eddie always lets her lead because she's insecure or scared of her or whatever, but like. She'll just never not have "butterflies" type nerves, and blush and stutter and all that. And Jessica can't resist kissing her or petting her when she stumbles over being a gentleman. Ed/Izzy (OFMD): Ed, provided we're only counting "words of affirmation" and "physical touch" styles of affection here. Izzy just is not a very touchy guy generally and he doesn't really need as much physical intimacy to be happy and secure as Ed does (though he has no particular problem with it when Ed initiates, even PDA). He also has a thing (autism) about not really knowing where boundaries are and what's appropriate when so he basically just treats every environment like a work environment (the environment that he's most familiar with the Rules of) in terms of intimacy/vulnerability that involves other people. He's also just plain not good with words, except a good ol' theatrical complain/insult (he also has Jewish). Additionally, he really doesn't think how he feels about someone in any specificity is anybody else's fucking business - so while I don't think he'd be too repressed or embarrassed to say "I love you" he'd be a bit consternated for other people to be all up in his business about it. His feelings are perpetually an A-B conversation. HOWEVER. He will do "acts of service" style affection at literally any moment any time in front of anyone at any provocation. And if he doesn't get enough "quality time" style affection he will literally shrivel up and die like a salted slug.
How do they feel about nicknames/pet names? If they like them, what pet names do they use? If they hate them, why do they feel that way?
Eddie/Jessica: Eddie is pretty neutral on pet names (in the affectionate way, she likes to use them as emasculating insults lmfaoooooo). Jessica likes them, though! She has a very large pet name vocabulary too. Eddie really only reacts strongly when Jessica uses them in particular ways (i.e. not casually, but Purposefully), in which case they make her feel very Baby. Ed/Izzy: Ed likes them a lot! They're novel for him, because in the past he's had all kinds of affectionate (or not) nicknames with his partners (i.e. "Blackie" and of course we've seen that his actual given name is Something Special too), but never anything sweet. It's a bubbly little thrill every time he's "allowed" to use one. Izzy doesn't use them very much, just because they don't ever occur to him lmfao. He does use Ed's given name a lot though, in that Special way. (And Stede does use pet names a lot, so Ed gets that regardless.) Also when Ed uses one for him, that makes Izzy melt into a brainless sack of goo. The only way he can continue to function is if he has some Specific Task that he can cling to and power through. Ed likes to test him, follow him around while he's assigning chores or whatever, calling him "love" and watch Izzy start to actually physically sweat with the effort to stay focused and not go 🥴 (which he would be embarrassed by).
Ship Basics Ask Game Thanks for asking, anon!
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So I’ve been playing around with a little HC in my head which for me is very amusing and I thought y’all might get a kick out of it too.
So The Losers Club have kids (which I know isn’t a hella common HC but I personally love it) and for semantics sake: Also please forgive the eye saw of how I wrote this out.
Bev and Ben: Joey= Daughter
Richie and Eddie: Maggie= Daughter (After Richies mum)
Stanley and Patty: Corbin=Son (bird-wise but you KNOW that Richie keeps referencing High School Musical around him which confuses the hell out of everybody!)
Mike and Bill: Georgie=Son (I mean obviously and also because FEELINGS!)
So let’s just say they are all like 10-12 in this scenario
Georgie: I’m just saying, our parents had a name for their group so we should have one too.
Joey: I mean, it’s stupid but it does make sense.
Maggie: Boom! So they’re the losers club? Well what’s better than a loser… a winner! So I therefore think we should name ourselves the Chicken club!
Corbin: Should I even ask?
Maggie: You know, like “Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner” honestly Corbin, I really thought you’d be the one to get it.
Corbin: First of all, WHAT?! and secondly why not just call it the winners club??? And if we call ourselves that it’s just gonna make us sound like wusses
Maggie just pauses and has a confused side eye while thinking
Joey: Guys, they didn’t even name the group themselves. It started as a bullying thing which they claimed. If you guys feel so strongly about naming our group, we can’t just bestow it on ourselves. It has to happen “organically”
Maggie: THE ORGANICS CLUB!
While Joey, Georgie and Corbin all express their feelings on that name the original losers club are in the other room listening to their conversation.
Bev: ok so I know that Mags is biologically Eddie’s but damn she is sounding more like Richie everyday.
Richie: I know, I’m so proud
Eddie: And I’m exhausted
Bill: Maybe we should start calling their club different things to help them along and see what sticks?
Ben: Honestly not a bad idea there Bill.
Mike: He’s pretty full of them
Stanley: Yeah, just don’t get him to make any final decisions
Thus leading this room also erupting into laughter and havoc.
#I know it’s not written well but this is the stuff my brain thinks about and I will not apologise for that#everybody deserves a happy ending and I live in constant denial#it chapter 2#eddie kaspbrak#richie tozier#beverly marsh#ben hanscom#mike hanlon#bill denbrough#stanley uris#patty uris#the losers club#losers club hc#it headcanons#it chapter two#fuck Pennywise#eddie lives#i will go down with this ship#this fandom will never die#I’m hanging on the edge of this cliff and nobody can stop me
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Ok ok so reasons to lie sounds really cool and so does operation crossiant!! (I have a feeling ik what the second one is about)
Because I love you I'm going to give you a little bit of both <3
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Reasons to Lie:
The reactionary fear in Richie’s stomach knotted into dread as he stared through the window at a soggy, desperate-looking Eddie Kaspbrak, crouching on his porch roof like a disheveled stray cat. He wanted to ignore him, but couldn’t leave him out in the rain.
Richie sat up and opened the window, and Eddie practically fell into his bed.
“What the fuck are you doing here Eddie? It’s like two AM!” Richie demanded, trying to hide the fear in his voice.
“Wait-” Eddie gasped, pulling his inhaler from his pocket. “Wait let me-” He put the device to his mouth and inhaled strongly, breathed for a moment, then inhaled from it again. Richie watched him and grimaced, but didn’t say anything.
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Operation Croissant:
“That’s not even remotely close to what Schrodinger’s cat is.” Nancy said, but it was not venomous. There was even a hint of amusement mixed in with her exhaustion. She sat on the edge of the bed with a little sigh.
“Maybe not,” Robin agreed, sitting down beside her. “But you do feel better now, don’t you?”
Nancy frowned at her, confused. “What do you mean?”
“Well don’t you?”
“I… I guess so. But why?”
“Sometimes you stress out about things and get all defensive and push people away. You say some pretty hurtful stuff sometimes.”
Nancy felt her face go hot with shame. “I’m sorry.” She said, glancing away.
“But,” Robin continued, “If I don’t take it personally and just keep bugging you, you get tired of being bitchy pretty fast. And then we can actually figure things out.”
Nancy was silent. She stared down at her hands, which lay loosely in her lap. Robin watched her expectantly. “I’m just, I’m worried about the tickets, that’s all.”
Robin raised her eyebrows skeptically. "That's not all, though, is it?"
#just firefly stuff#thank you sm for asking me abt them#I'm really excited about these two in particular
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You know what? I'm not done with this. A Billy + Eddie friendship would have been so good. Billy in S4 would have been so good. So bittersweet. Billy being very angry and at the same time very protective of Max and in general not being able to explain why he's feeling the Messiest Most Complicated Feelings cause she's a fucking a child, but at the same time he's so sick and tired of taking care of her, but at the same time being possesed by an otherworldly creature is terrifying, but at the same time no one did root for him when he was possessed by the Mindflayer, now, did they? So what? Is he really going to do like his asshole of a father and behave like a jackass to the weaker person next to him because he feels sad and shit? It would have been an amazing redemption arc. But also the image of Billy and Lucas instantly going to grab the Kate Bush tape when Vecna attacks Max consumes me.
Billy pretending to be buddies with Jason long enough to throw him off Eddie's chase. Perhaps he even kickstarts the violence when the jocks confront the rest of Corroded Coffin-- and how that would culminate in Billy using all his brashness to goad Jason into a fight at the Creel house (and away from Max and Lucas). Just. Imagine who would have been the most unhinged between Jason and Billy.
The party finding Eddie through Billy. Cause even if Billy has the best poker face when it comes to lying to authority figures, Max senses something is off when cops come to talk to them at the trailer park and Max has seen them together! Eddie lives almost next to them, she knows they hang out! And Billy's being so weirdly calm about all this. That's his bestie being acused of a horrible murder and doesn't he want to defend him!? (and perhaps she's projecting a bit and sounding a bit guilty). And perhaps she pesters enough to make him confess where Eddie's hiding, or perhaps he was already waiting for any excuse to ask for a little help without openly asking for a little help, you know?
(Talking about sounding guilty on both of their accounts. Does Max still write a good bye letter to Billy? Do they talk about her nightmares?! My god, imagine Billy's thoughts when he finds out that he haunts Max' dreams. There could have been such a strong theme of Billy activily reforming himself cause he doesn't want to end like Neil!!!!)
And Billy doesn't feel confortable at all with the whole getting the party involved. Cause now he's loudly arguing with Steve in Eddie's favor because of course they're loudly arguing and he doesn't want to explain to fucking Harrington of all people why he knows that Eddie's innocent. He knows, ok? He just knows. (Billy strikes me as someone strongly private with an equally strong tendency to get on the defensive cause. Well. Trauma) But it's kind of hard to give weight to his argument that Eddie's a little unhinged ball of sunshine dressed up as a metalhead when at the most Billy is vaguely okay with admitting to Steve that they hang out sometimes??? He buys him weed. They have listened to albums together, once or twice. God, stop snooping Harrington.
(Max thinks that he doesn't want to admit that he hangs out with nerds. Max, needless to say, is wrong)
And anyway this gets absolutely ruined when Eddie, true to form, goes to threaten Steve with a fucking broken bottle at the house. Billy wants to kill them both and then himself.
I don't know if I like more the platonic vibe or the romantic vibe between Billy and Eddie, but either Dustin sees all of this, pieces everything together, looks utterly flabbergasted, and (internally) goes: eddie wasn't doing a bit, you're friends!!!!!!
Or,
Oh no you're the mysterious crush he won't shut up about.
Just. Billy in S4.
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No, you don’t like Owen Strand right now (and you’re not supposed to)
Or my meta on why I think the show is purposefully running Owen into the ground and out of our hearts, and that it’s coming for a big pay off.
CW: 9/11, Minor Character Death, Cancer, and other just general 911 problems.
A lot of people cite the issues with Owen Strand as a growing problem on 9-1-1 Lone Star. And if you listen, most people say it starts in Season Two, where Owen leaves funny and quirky and takes a straight run at insufferable. I’m of the mind that this is part of a larger arc we’re going to see come to a head later in season three. And if I’m wrong, I will publicly admit it and eat my hat. But until then…
Season Two starts off in an interesting place for Owen. TK has recovered from his gunshot wound, Owen’s cancer is heading into remission and he just needs surgery to remove what’s left of the tumor, Owen is sleeping with his ex-wife who he strongly suggests to Judd in season one is the “One Who Got Away,” and things are looking great for the 126. However, the first scene, the first big speech and moment at the start of the season for Owen is about forgotten heroes—the military, the first responders to 9/11, being left behind by the system. Owen’s anger in that opening sequence is real and righteous. The cancer Owen is diagnosed with in the pilot is real, it does affect the first responders who survived 9/11, and they sued the city because their insurance didn’t pay for it. He’s standing alone in front of the VA hospital and opens with this speech “Mr. Vasquez, this is Captain Owen Strand Austin FD. I wanna say how sorry I am for your loss. No one should ever have to feel what you’re feeling. I understand you wanna blame the government for what happened to your daughter. For denying her sacrifice. I know how painful that feels. [...] You see, on 9/11, it was the one day this country swore it would never forget. And it did. Those of us who were there that day, we don’t have that luxury. We don’t get to forget. And I know too many people who survived that day, only to die years later, forgotten. Ignored. Because their problems were too expensive. Too inconvenient. So yeah, I understand your rage.” The moment ends with the gun of the tank stopping inches from his face and he responds to Grace with “Still standing.”
Season two opens with Owen acknowledging his rage but that he’s still standing. It’s one of the few times he even touches on his feelings.
Things get blown to hell (literally) in 2x02 when Tim Rosewater, the sweet and sarcastic paramedic, gets hit with a flaming chunk of lava three feet from Owen’s face, and there’s nothing Owen can do. The promise he made to the 126 at the opening of the series: everyone gets a fair shake, no one gets left behind, and everyone who clocks in at the beginning of a shift clocks out is broken here, as it inevitably would be. When he goes home to Gwyn, he sits in the ashes of the volcanic eruption, jokes about what’s the worst that can happen—he gets cancer again, and is reminded of the ash on 9/11, although muses that this time it’s prettier and I don’t know if it’s because he’s further away from that moment, or his losses are smaller or he’s actually sort of letting Gwyn comfort him. Gwyn suggests that she’s glad he’s okay in the wake of Tim’s death and Owen responds “Oh, I was always going to be okay. You don’t need to worry about me. I’m invincible, evidently.” He recounts that being diagnosed with cancer was the universe finally evening the score, but surviving it…he doesn’t know what to do with.
2x03 opens with Owen not sleeping, dreaming of Tim’s death and of Tim haunting him. We see him take a reckless turn in the wake of Tim’s death, but it doesn’t bother us because it’s to go get Judd, Marjan, Paul, Eddie and the kid. But we watch him unspool the longer he and Hen are in the mineshaft. He’s hallucinating Tim and it’s getting deep into his invulnerability psychology, into the voices of the people who died on 9/11 from Tim’s mouth. The 14 men who didn’t make it home but Owen did. Owen tells Hen the whole thing, the anger he feels that they let him leave that building alive without them. The guilt he feels over forcing TK into following his footsteps, over the failure of his marriage (singular). When Hen suggests they’re going to die, Owen quips, “You’re only trying to cheer me up.” (If you need to know more about the house Owen’s is modeled on, BlueInk3 detailed it here.) Owen once again escapes certain death due to the 126 and 118 stealing the truck and driving into a wildfire. Owen wakes to TK and Judd and the rest of his team staring at him and they carry him out. Owen wakes again to Tommy, who was so concerned by the conversation with Owen she came up to where they were fighting, and in the end another miracle has contained the fire. Owen’s takeaway is that it’s okay, he’s invincible and it’s the only logical explanation for how they walked out. Hen corrects him, that the actions of two teams, particularly TK and Buck deciding to steal an engine, explain what happened and they didn’t walk, they were carried. Owen doesn’t buy it. And we can see that based on his actions further on.
Then, in 2x04 “Friends with Benefits,” that storyline seems to disappear, because Gwyn pushes for a label and it turns out, she’s miraculously pregnant and Owen heads into a three episode arc of “I’m going to be a dad (again).” He pulls himself (mostly) together after ping-ponging between professing that divorced together not-together is the best thing and proposing to Gwyn by recreating their wedding suite set up. (Gwyn says no.) But with the advent of the baby, Owen makes a commitment to Gwyn, choosing to get the surgery he’s been avoiding. He throws himself wholeheartedly into this second chance. We have already learned that Gwyn and Owen’s relationship fell apart in the wake of the tragedy of 9/11 because Owen chose the 252 over Gwyn and TK. Here he is, with another tragedy that brought all of those feelings and memories back up, but Owen has a chance to fix it. Here’s Gwyn, warm and alive and they’re not miserable, and there’s another baby. A baby he doesn’t have to leave. He can fix this. He can have his do-over.
Until he can’t. Gwyn figures out in 2x07 that it might not be his baby, due to timing, and Owen is fixated on the Kintsugi bowl, all the more beautiful for it’s cracks. And when it comes down to it, when it comes down to the moment she’s emailed the paternity test, he asks her to delete it. Owen doesn’t care. He wants her to delete it. Because for him it’s not about whether or not this baby is biologically his. It’s about what the whole system of their reunion represents. It’s that he’s had a better time with Gwyn in the last year than they did their entire marriage. It’s a chance to fix something he broke, to come home to someone instead of run away. It’s a chance to have a more beautiful life because of the cracks that he repaired. Gwyn checks the email and Owen says he still doesn’t care. It doesn’t matter, because again, it’s more than whose baby it is. It’s this miraculous do-over for Owen to get things right. But Gwyn doesn’t believe him. And she leaves him, again. The spiral that was put on hold with the news of the baby quickly starts up again with the advent of 2x08. “Bad Call” is a fan favorite episode for a lot of reasons. It gives Carlos, as a character, backstory and depth, introducing us to his father and continuing the path to detective Carlos that began in season 1 with Michelle and Iris. It weaves together all of the calls into one beautiful storyline. Tommy, Nancy and TK get a solid feature as the paramedic team. Paul, Marjan, Judd and Mateo get a beautiful save in the building. But it’s also the start of Owen’s unraveling. He’s doing alright-ish at the top of the episode, but he and Gwyn haven’t told TK about the break up. They haven’t told anyone. Owen is, literally, still living in a world where no one knows his world is unraveling. And then TK shows up at work frosty and Gwyn calls to tell him that she told TK, that she had to, and she’s worried about him shutting down. We then get to the call with the explosives, where Owen has to call everyone out of the building, and the 126, being the one 126 (and Owen’s proteges) stay in the building to find the kid, and Owen goes back up after them—because he’s working on keeping that impossible promise to bring everyone home. The episode continues with Carlos showing up to Owen’s because TK hasn’t come home and he’s worried. Gwyn jumps straight to relapse, but Owen stays cool. Owen stays collected. He calls the station and discovers that no one has had contact with Tommy’s team for hours. Owen starts with his invincibility/god complex by starting his own investigation here with Carlos, a currently suspended cop, along for the ride. Now, this is all easily justifiable to the audience. We love the paramedic team. Owen and Carlos love TK. Of course they’d be going off to find him. But there are channels this probably should have gone through that were not Owen and Carlos out on their own mission. Owen is supportive of Carlos, and is helpful. He supports Carlos in calling his dad to solve the investigation his dad’s been working on. They find Tommy, Nancy and TK. Owen is the first one through the door of the Sun and Salt. Owen picks up the gun that TK had kicked away moments earlier and shoots Tommy’s assailant after she had jabbed him with a heavy dose of drugs and Carlos rushes in to pick up TK. Now, the only quibble most people had with this looking back is that Owen is the one who shot Tommy’s assailant. But Carlos was relieved of his gun and badge earlier in the episode and asked not to leave town by his father. Owen got to the gun on the ground first and did what had to be done, but the thing is, why is Owen the first through the door? It’s this hero/god complex/invincibility business that makes him sure he can enter that building first. It’s also the fact that he would like to die, especially in the line of saving someone. That drives him to pick up the gun and shooting it off. And, let’s be honest, it’s not the first time Owen comes in at the tail end of someone else’s legwork to appear the hero. But that’s all part of the game.
2x09 doesn’t feature Owen that much, and that’s because “Saving Grace” is really a Judd Begins story. The 126 as we know it doesn’t feature until the halfway point, the show bouncing between Judd and Grace’s car accident and Judd’s life since 1995. When we do see Owen, he greets Judd, but can’t look at him as Judd cuts a piece of lasagna for Grace, and the framing of that shot is a choice. He supports Judd, being the first to hug him. He listens as two on-duty cops tell Carlos they’re here to interview a drunk guy who definitely ran into a convenience store and might have run a couple off the road, and Owen watches Judd and specifically asks if he’s good. Judd is not good. Eventually, Judd spirals into the man’s room and is ready to kill him over Grace’s injuries, when Owen and Grace’s daddy show up to get him, and it’s Owen who speaks to Judd first, calling him off, and Owen who eventually touches him to ground him and get him to back off. And again, Owen is Judd’s friend. They’re more peers—Owen, Tommy and Judd—than with the other members of the 126 (who I affectionately call the kids’ table). But he’s still chasing down other people’s problems. Judd credits Grace’s awakening with saving the man in the bed’s life, but the last shot of the scene is Owen looking back at the man who might have almost killed Judd and Grace, alive. Our last glimpse of Owen is when Judd comes out to tell everyone that Grace is going to be okay. He’s concerned for Judd, but when the news that Grace is pregnant comes out, Owen claps, a little awkwardly, and then heads in for the hug, insisting that the whole team come congratulate Judd. But the juxtaposition of Judd becoming a father and Grace living, as Owen is losing Gwyn to New York and the baby isn’t his…well, that’s something.
2x10-2x12 is a whole Owen spiraling out arc that gives us, as an audience, a true look at the mess that Owen is becoming. TK moves out of Owen’s house and in with Carlos. Owen tries to spend the whole day moving them and is looking for new jobs to do around the place, and TK has to both tell Owen that they’ve got it and take the time to check on his father. He wants to make sure his father will be okay with him moving out. Owen blows it off, putting on his usual smile and dipping out. Later, TK invites Owen over for dinner with Carlos and Owen insists that he’s busy, but we see him just playing solitaire. He finds Mateo, currently homeless because Mateo’s roommates have been awful idiots, and takes home a surrogate son/friend. On their 24 hours off Mateo, who just wants to sleep, is badgered into staying up all night with his beloved Captain, drinking an entire bottle of very expensive tequila. And when he raises a question about tequila hours Owen points out that he can now “Because there’s no cancer treatments, no one in recovery and no one who is pregnant in the house.” YIKES
The yikes continue to roll in 2x10 as Owen breaks down with Mateo while very drunk, and spills that he’s canceled his cancer surgery. He’s sad, he’s distraught, and when Mateo comes to work the next day he sounds the alarm with his coworkers. He’s worried about Owen. Owen’s clearly depressed. Owen walks in, his smiling chirpy self, and everyone looks at Mateo like maybe he’s crazy. But the audience watched him fall apart with Mateo. We know Mateo didn’t imagine it. Well, it comes out that he DID indeed cancel his cancer surgery and TK shows up at Owen’s house the next day PISSED with an intervention. Owen is glib throughout the whole experience, putting everyone else on the spot, and the team pushes back. TK in particular pushes at his father. He has known something is off, but Owen blows off every concern. He skewers Mateo for telling the rest of the team, suggesting that Mateo—who remains the most conscientious of all of the members of the 126—cannot be trusted. In the end though, Owen cannot deny that he canceled his surgery, even if he uses everybody else in the room as an excuse of why he hasn’t rescheduled. TK ends up leaving, suggesting his dad is going to do whatever he wants, and the rest of the 126 follows.
The thing that shifts Owen to schedule his surgery is a false alarm with Buttercup. Owen thinks Buttercup’s cancer is back and calls TK and Carlos to let them know something is wrong. His family shows up, and Owen promises to schedule the surgery because of Buttercup’s illness. It turns out that Buttercup just ate Gwyn’s sloth tea infuser, but Owen goes through with the surgery anyway. It takes nearly losing someone that Owen loves to get him to take care of himself. This will come around again.
He lets TK come to the hospital, but promises that he’ll be fine. He rolls his eyes at the puzzle TK gives him. TK knows that he needs to be busy, and Owen tries to keep busy. We get a montage of Owen doing all kinds of ridiculous things, but he learns how to download a police scanner app from Billy, and like two sides of the same coin during their medical leaves, Billy and Owen listen to various dispatch calls to keep their adrenaline running. Owen listens to the scanner like it’s a podcast. He’s still out and about with his scanner podcast, when he stumbles upon a fire. Owen, like a moth to a flame, throws himself at the fire. He watches the man who set it run away, and tries to help. When the 126 shows up, they make him get out of there, but Owen is already hooked. He’s convinced it’s arson, and tries to talk to the deputy chief about it. But when he’s blown off, Owen goes off on his own to try and figure it out. He buys a bunch of things to try and prove it was arson, which is not a smart look, but then Owen’s not thinking about that.
He’s so focused on solving a problem, Owen isn’t thinking about what things look like, or how they’ll be taken. This is a continuing problem with Owen. He leaps without looking. It doesn’t matter, not really, because Owen is invincible, untouchable, in his own mind. This theory of why he’s alive, that he cannot be taken, or that if he does enough he’ll finally be deemed a hero enough to die, leads Owen into these situations. And it also leads us into being entirely irritated in the process.
He gets to the point where he’s so focused chasing the arsonist that he delays going to TK and Carlos’s house to investigate and ends up needing to get dragged out by Billy. He then hatches a plan with Gabriel Reyes to catch the arsonist, one that leaves both of their sons in the dark and opens a rift between them. The plan culminates in arson fires set in both the 126 and in TK and Carlos’s home. Owen figures it out in the nick of time, both times, warning the 126 with minutes to spare. With Carlos and TK’s house, Owen gets there with Judd and Tommy and Billy to help save them.
Once again, things fall apart around Owen, but Owen remains relatively unscathed. He wasn’t at the 126 when it blew up. He gets TK and Carlos out of their house and he’s got some minor burns.
You would think this would lead Owen to take a break, but in the next episode, Tommy Vega ends up in a hostage situation in the wake of her husband’s death. Owen, not knowing what has happened, but learning Tommy is in the middle of a disaster, throws himself in the middle of it. He’s running around, calling people, bothering the SWAT team and eventually sweet talking his way inside to get to Tommy. Owen is legit inserting himself into something that isn’t his business and is potentially incredibly dangerous. Again, we have a man who believes that he’s invulnerable, who is waiting for the universe to deem him fit to die, and so it’s a win/win. Either he makes it out alive or dies a hero.
We move into the dust storm, and while Billy and everyone else stays inside, Owen runs out into the middle of the storm. Despite it being a mistake, there are more people that are going to need his help. When Owen walks out into the storm, visibility is incredibly low. There’s a chance he’s going to get lost or end up dead. But he’s Owen, and he’s either going to be deemed heroic enough to die, or he’s going to live. And unsurprisingly, he lives. His former team all think he’s responsible for the mass-triage happening outside, but it’s really Mateo who has done all of that work. This isn’t the first time Owen’s won the credit for things, even if he hasn’t done them. But he gets through without incident. The team decides to go clean up the 126 on their own. While there, Billy shows up, letting Owen know that he’s taken the Deputy Chief job that Owen has turned down. Billy lets Owen know he’s pulling the plug on the 126, and Owen punches Billy in the face.
This leads to the spiral that we find Owen in at the start of Season 3. Owen has tried to solve a problem and lost—it’s not a typical thing for Owen, and he bolts in the face of losing. He ends up in a cabin out in Hill Country making twigspresso and genuinely pretending the rest of the world doesn’t exist. He hasn’t shaved. He doesn’t respond to the team. Marjan comes up there ready to bully him back down into Austin and he refuses. During this storyline, Owen ends up involving himself in a drug cartel that is smuggling people into the country and using them to move drugs as well. Owen makes several blunders in getting involved in this situation. When it comes down to it, Owen nearly gets everyone killed. If it wasn’t for Marjan, Owen would have died right alongside everyone else. But she explodes the dirty deputy’s cruiser and she saves the day. Owen seems to get the credit, but it’s really Marjan being there that allows those people to live. Marjan tries to get him to see reason, but beyond getting Owen down into Austin, he refuses. He shaves, Tommy comes to get him and it turns out TK is in the ICU and dying. Like with Buttercup, having someone he loves in grave danger spurs Owen to take action he was avoiding. Owen throws himself into getting the 126 back up and running because he takes TK’s current predicament as a punishment for giving up in the first place. As an audience, this seems ridiculous. But again, Owen has a bit of a god-complex. The world is hurting him because he made a poor choice. TK is giving up because Owen gave up first. So he has to go. He refuses to stay.
Now, the rest of the team (aside from Tommy) reads as very confused in this scene. Marjan actively suggests that Owen not go, which is contrary to her desires up to that point, but let’s be honest, TK’s not doing so hot. Paul looks concerned and Carlos looks very doubtful but it’s hard to tell where any of his emotions are at this point. The fandom, though, definitely took it as Carlos being done. Tommy goes, because she long ago accepted that Owen is both an immovable object and an unstoppable force. They track Billy and that leads them to finding out Grace is gone. Owen throws himself into solving problems, because there’s nothing he can do for TK. Also, an Owen who gives up, an Owen who isn’t trying hard enough, is an Owen who doesn’t deserve the miracle of his son living. In Owen’s flawed logic, TK will not be okay as long as Owen is failing. He hugs Carlos, passing on the caring of TK to TK’s ex-boyfriend, and leaves.
Throughout 3.04, we watch Owen do what Owen does best, knuckle down, pretend things are not as bad as they seem, and shove his emotions away. Tommy tries to apologize, but Owen offers her comfort. Truth is, Owen doesn’t fall apart until Grace is giving birth, presumably because he’s very much reminded of his son’s birth; the same son who is potentially dying at that moment. Owen escapes the bus and falls to his knees in the snow, because the reality is talking to Billy, saving Grace, none of that will actually make a difference. And I think deep down, Owen knows that.
In the end, TK lives, and I’m sure Owen can add this as another one of his miracles that came because he, Owen Strand, did the right thing. It’s not. We as an audience know what happened, because again, like with Mateo, we were shown the reality that it was Carlos pouring his heart out to TK and TK’s ‘Coma Carol’ with his mental projection of his mom which convinces TK to fight for the life he wants.
The 126 gets saved as well after Owen brings his apology letter to Billy, (but really thanks to Marjan for her fighting this whole time and Paul for convincing Lindsay’s parents that the gift he needs isn’t a maserati but Marj’s Go Fund Me funded) and Owen is able to rebuild his house, again. It’s the third time he’s rebuilt a supposedly dead firehouse, although this time he hadn’t lost the people, just the space.
There’s a party, with Gwyn and Jonah coming to surprise TK and the whole house dancing and celebrating. Everyone except Owen. Owen retreats up to his office where he can look down on the party, separate and above them. He sets the bit of iron from the second tower of the World Trade Center on his desk. Owen Strand may have survived to live another day; he may have put his house back in order, but he is still trapped back in 9/11.
By 3.05, the 126 is up and running and Owen is banging any woman that walks, especially ones significantly younger than him. Mateo calls him on it, pointing out that he doesn’t know these girls' names, that he’s not coping with anything that’s happened. The intervention gets brought up, as well as Gwyn and Jonah. Owen pushes this off and gets Mateo to help him with online dating. His first date off of his fancy dating sight goes wildly awry and while Owen is waiting for his and his date’s cars to be brought up by the valet, he spots a car there's an Amber alert on, so he steals his date’s car to chase it. There’s no reason for Owen to do this. This is indeed theft. He calls in the Amber alert car to dispatch and dispatch tells him to stand down and not do anything with the woman in the car, to wait. At this point, Owen is racing through the streets. The way it’s filmed, very shaky and wild, it’s almost certain he’s going to get himself and his carnapped-date killed. Owen ends up deciding to ignore dispatch entirely, but to pull the kidnapper over and confront her. There’s a lot of ways that this could have gone wrong and is foolish. But Owen Strand, the invulnerable hero, doesn’t think about these things. We’ve seen it before, and we see it here.
Once again, he gets incredibly lucky and manages to keep the woman from stabbing him before Carlos and Detective Washington and other members of APD show up. Owen appears to be the hero here, but the audience has watched Carlos build this case, pouring all his spare time into finding out what happened to little Katie. Many audience members were once again angry that Owen seemed to get the save for something he didn’t do. But that’s part of the point. Owen is throwing himself into things he doesn’t know, into situations he has nothing to do with, and when things don’t go to shit, it adds to the evidence that he’s here to save as many people as possible, to be a hero, before he dies a hero.
The next two episodes see a slightly more toned-down Owen, but not really. He’s mentioned as feeling closer to season one Owen, but he’s still tossing himself into disaster at every opportunity.
In 3.06, we learn that Owen is an alien conspiracy theorist, but considering that Owen has taken in every health fad that has ever crossed the internet and is pretty sure that he’s been deemed invincible by the universe, this isn’t a surprise. He and Judd end up finding a massive radiation poisoning incident, and throw themselves into an investigation while they are off-duty. Considering Owen has just recovered from cancer caused by carcinogens, this is a bad plan.
In 3.07, Carlos tries to warn Owen about Sergeant O’Brien, but Owen being Owen, takes it as a challenge. Now O’Brien is an asshole, but Owen doesn’t help the situation. Owen deliberately antagonizes him, and it leads to a bit of a battle that Owen decides how to handle. TK tries to warn him off as well, reminding him of the anger management classes that he took after he hit Billy. They end up on the softball field, which seems harmless, but Owen is out quoting The Art of War and planting people on his team to be ringers. Unsurprisingly, the game ends in a brawl, because even when TK tries to warn him off, Owen cannot hold his temper. He’s been warned off this particular fight multiple times, by multiple people, but it still ended up here. Owen’s redemption in this episode comes when Sergeant O’Brien is caught in a fire and Owen saves him. Once again, Owen comes through with a save due to heroics, and yes, this time it’s because he was doing his job and not throwing himself at someone else’s problem, but it still adds fuel to the narrative of how things work in Owen’s head.
The problem is Owen keeps upping the ante, but calms down a little when things are going well—Gwyn and the baby in season two or as we see in 3.05-3.07 a slightly less unhinged Owen in every episode since the reunion of the 126 in season three. But the longer it goes on, the less reasonable Owen's choices have become. What was justifiable as a father’s love and concern in 2x08 has quickly become an obnoxious pattern. But as we’ve seen, it’s been going on consistently since 2x08. That's EVERY EPISODE for 14 episodes. No wonder we're all like "What the fuck dude?" And now, at the end of 3x07, we’ve hit a thing Owen cannot fix and cannot solve. Gwyn is dead. Gwyneth Morgan, the one who got away, the woman he loves, the gold-standard of women, is gone for good this time. The only times he’s done anything to turn anything around have been either when he thought he had a second chance with Gwyn, or in her absence, when he thought Buttercup or TK was dying. Now he will be confronted with an actual death, and of the one person he tried to rebuild things with.
In the preview, he says that TK’s mom died, but we know it’s more than that. On top of that, he’s going to be involved in a plane disaster. As a survivor of 9/11, as a first responder who was on the scene early, especially as his firehouse was probably in Midtown, a plane disaster is going to bring things up. It’s going to bring a lot of things up. It has to, considering the mass fears around flying that cropped up across all of the US over planes after 9/11.
This combination should get Owen to the point of TRUE rock-bottom, which we haven’t seen yet. As these themes keep circling, I have faith that the writers are planning on bringing Owen to an actual reckoning and recovery, where he deals with at least some of his trauma and begins to heal. Now, I know there’s a lot of concern out there that Lone Star doesn’t know what they’re doing with Owen here, but I think they do. They’ve carried some solid through lines for their characters through multiple seasons. Detective Carlos Reyes was signaled early in Season One as he supported Michelle in her investigation into Iris’s disappearance. We’ve followed Mateo’s struggles to stand up for himself, to the point where he has a voice now from season one through three. There’s more. The show has set Owen up as an unreliable narrator by showing what happens in reality vs. what Owen says/thinks. They have had multiple characters, including one from a sister show, confront Owen about his beliefs about himself, and Owen stubbornly doubles down. Owen may be over twenty years out from 9/11, but it’s never ever really left him. He carries that day with him in his bones, from the promises he makes to his team that he cannot keep, to his belief the only real heroes that day didn’t make it out alive, to his need to constantly make up for the fact that everyone sees a hero when he’s in fact a man who’s failed many times. I cannot imagine they’re giving us this particular set up without coming through with the payoff. They’ve made Owen unlikeable, inconvenient, arrogant and really a continued spiraling problem. And I think it’s on purpose.
#911 lone star#9-1-1: lone star#owen strand#911 ls#911 lone star meta#meta#owen strand meta#it's not anti owen strand#but it's not pro owen strand#it's nuanced owen strand#look#maybe it's because i've binged the whole thing in one go#or because i love shades of grey#owen makes a lot of bad choices#but also means it from a good place#and the whole psychology of this man with his deep seeded trauma#and how it manifests#like#i think we're going to get a payoff#there's been too many threads here to not have it pop off#i didn't even pull apart season one#but like when he goes and beats the shit of michelle's sister's ex#we've seen it#we know he's a hot hot mess#and i think we'll finally get a pay off#at least i hope so#or else i will be very sad#and have a big mea culpa
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ben hanscom is one of my favorite characters of all time and he should be yours too. stephen king definitely thinks so; the first thing you know about ben is that he owns the coolest car, the next thing you know is that he’s absolutely fine and always has women who want him, then you find out he’s one of the most talented architects in the world, not to mention a pilot, and to top it all off he goes to the same bar every friday and saturday night no matter where in the world he has to fly in from just so he can have a conversation with his favorite bartender ricky lee. and what ricky lee thinks is that ben is the most ‘god awful lonely man’ he’s ever met.
like richie, ben is severly affected by a traumatic childhood. what he first remembers is that he was poor and fat, and that two great friends (stuttering bill or beverly) saved his life. and to take the edge off he decides he’s going to snort lemon juice and finish off a stein of whiskey before giving the last items he was gifted by his father, three silver cartwheels, to ricky lee to give to his three sons.
i already posted this section ben says earlier but he really does encapsulate the situation:
for most of them, the only thing stronger than their fear is the promise they made, the knowledge that they own this task and owe it to their hometown to see it through.
what i like most about ben, though, is his kindness. it absolutely radiates from this section, which is from ricky lee’s perspective, and it’s interesting that a man so kind and generous is so lonely. what this tells you is that it’s self enforced, intentional. he may not want to be alone (or why else would he see ricky lee like clockwork), but he is, he makes it so that he is. like richie hiding behind his voices, ben hides himself behind a southern charm and genuine kindness, and he doesn’t want anyone to get closer.
so richie has his voices, ben’s alone, and eddie kaspbrak has a drugstore in his medicine cabinet. what interests me most about eddie, though, is that he has immortalized his mother in the form of his wife and, more importantly, in his subconscious. everything he does, everything he thinks, his mother opines on from beyond the grave. he’s depressingly self aware of the way his marriage with his wife developed because of the way she acted like a mother, like his mother, and the way he lives a life of what-ifs and if-onlys because he was never able to break out of that type of relationship.
it seems like eddie’s own desires and the desires of his mother/wife are constantly at odds and yet towards the end of the section he realizes:
the thing about eddie is that he’s constantly aware and realizing things and then unable to fall out of the trap of compliance— already we’ve seen he left his mother three times and was ultimately unable to stay away. no wonder he has such an averse reaction to the idea of going home
beverly’s introduction is the most horrific. she’s married to a man strongly implied to be similar to her father, someone who treats her like a little girl. the only time she seems to have any power in her life is in her work, where she’s able to be driven and competitive. it’s interesting to me that most of this is from her husband tom’s perspective, and the way he thinks about her is horrific. he bullies and abuses her due to his own problems, because hurting her and whittling her down makes him feel powerful and ‘real’ (side note but this idea of ‘real’ will show up multiple times in the novel. characters will reflect on who does and does not feel real to them).
the best part, though, is when beverly fights back. she threatens to kill him, and he believes her. the resulting violence:
let her be violent let her destroy this guy! beverly’s abusive upbringing made her a victim to this type of relationship but when it comes down to life and death she fights and wins. this is small scale, relatively of course, the human domestic violence, but i think it sets up perfectly beverly’s attitude and strength in the worst situations. also:
desire. she’s been told who she is her whole life. i love that her breakaway from tom is ended in her own rush of desire.
finally bill!! bill and audra’s section is probably my favorite of the introductions, i think it’s so good and i love the way they talk to each other, working through their memories of each other having been married for so many years and still finding out all the hidden fears they kept (intentionally or not) from each other. i also like the story about bill’s college experience as a writer, it shows not only his strength of character but a sense of humor.
i think what this section does best though it cement the idea that going home to derry is less of an acceptance and more of a horrible need, a desire to see something through to the end.
‘like a fishhook’…. if that isn’t the scariest thing.
overall i think these first three chapters are really interesting and engaging and they allow the reader to understand the two timelines, the major players, and the attitudes they all have about home and fear. i also like how pennywise is barely in any of these chapters but casts a large and foreboding shadow over the minds of the characters (and reader!). this is something to be terrified of, and now these are the people, messed up as they are, who are going to deal with it. what more could you want from a horror novel!
my notes on week one :)
i luv these first three chapters: the first two set up our dual timelines while the third sets up our main characters & their fears and personalities.
after the flood is a great opening scene to establish setting and our monster. one of my favorite details abt this chapter is how it change’s it’s appearance to mimic georgie’s mother and bill to manipulate him. i also like how georgie is the first one to call pennywise ‘it,’ not because he knew about the clown but because pennywise is the same kind of monster you imagine under your bed or in your closet as a child, the one that constantly lurks, hungry.
i also like this section because it’s our first example of the child vs adult mindset that ends up being so crucial to the end of the story— adults worry about murderers and communists because those are so obviously real, while children still have the imagination and fear of being eaten alive by the thing in the basement.
after the festival is so interesting because it shows how derry, what it is, and how the people there feel about it.
resignation vs disgust. these cops have lived in derry all their lives but they’re still shocked when hagarty exclaims what they all know to be true. it’s less turning a blind eye and more willingly accepting it, because this is how it is and this is how it will always be. this blasé attitude is also shown in this earlier excerpt:
this is how it is. ignore the worst of it because this is just how it is. and many of those ‘gory old things’ have living witnesses; mike hanlon will later interview men who were involved in the bradley gang shootout. none of this is ancient history, it happened to your parents and grandparents. but that’s just how it is here (also love how this small section sets up mike’s historic knowledge!)
after the flood was based on the true murder of charlie howard in bangor, maine in 1984.
next we get six phone calls, our introduction to our seven lucky characters. some things i found interesting about each section:
stan knew that this was going to happen, he remembered more than everyone other than mike, and it seems he knew what he was going to do.
neil young reference from the epigraph that i love. out of the blue and into the black. i also like how stan’s character is defined by his reliance on reality; when something doesn’t compute he can’t handle it, and he is no longer a child who could accept and move past the horror. his death is so important to me because the whole chapter sets him up as a successful, logical, and loving man. he’s good at his job, he’s thinking about the future, he really cares about his wife. this man would not kill himself… and then he does. this is the terror we’re facing, the kind that destroys the rational mind (georgie’s sanity was similarly destroyed in ‘one clawing stroke).
i also like this foreshadowing:
stan’s scene is followed by richie’s.
sorry always have to post the richie thesis statement. he’s so wrapped up in his voices (he even uses one when talking to mike on the phone) that’s it’s obvious they’re a manifestation of his own self-hate. i also like how deeply scared he is while looking into his safe, realizing how easy it is to destroy a life— one match, or one lighter, and you’re done. another notable thing is that rather than first remembering his friends or even pennywise richie remembers the bullying he experienced; he felt hated enough that he hated himself too, and still does despite the success he’s achieved as a radio host. his music collection and knowledge is expanse, and he mentions always having something playing— in fact one of the first things he does after the phone call is throw a record on and turn it up— and to me that’s a person who can’t stand a moment alone in his head.
guys i think we’re going out of the blue and into the black
#bitclub2024#week one#bill denbrough#mike hanlon#ben hanscom#beverly marsh#richie tozier#eddie kaspbrak#audra phillips#analysis
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You asked for Mileven fic ideas:
1. Mileven navigating questions about future plans. El is still hiding from the authorities at the end of mike's junior year in his, and she starts to worry about the future once she hears the party starting to worry about college. When will she be free, at least to the extent she was in Lenora? Will she be free B4 he leaves for college? Even if she is, what does that mean for them? It's not like she would get into the same colleges as him. Jopper doesn't have that kind of money, and she has been studying for the past year (unofficial home schooling) but she isn't sure she is ready for senior year academically speaking even if she got the government of her tail right now, and got some fake id showing she had finished all the other grades. And would she fit into his post- high school life? She didn't really fit in back in Cali. I know this sound like jancy S4, but Mileven are different ppl, and have different circumstances.
2. Mike getting caught sneaking out at night by jopper, prompting an awkward conversation ( and perhaps Joyce decides will should get involved too, since they have to discuss these things with him anyways, so why wait until he is in a relationship, instead of getting it over with now).
3. El comforting mike over Eddie's death. 4. El telling mike about the other lab children and mourning their death.
5. El and mike watching their friends get drunk and either messing with them, or trying to stop them from doing something stupid ( this is admittedly more of a party fic, but if the focus is on them, and how they deal with their friends drunken antics, it counts as Mileven, right?).
6. Mileven discussing the morality of murder, as el questions her past actions, and her disagreement with Kali
7. Mike doing el's make up for some event, bc Joyce and Nancy are available.
8. Terry Ives died, and mike helps her through it
9. El and will have a fight about will saying something negative about hopper, bc hopper is dealing with the trauma from his time in russia by drinking a lot, and bc Will has some issues thanks to lonnie, so he worries a lot about hopper hurting Joyce somehow. El wents to mike, and mike tries to mediate, and help el understand why will is so sceptical of hopper, despite being grateful for everything he has done for him and his family.
These are some great ideas! I think there are a couple that stood out to me immediately!
Definitely 3 since I feel very strongly about that not being included.
6 is very interesting and I think I could explore that.
Thanks so much for your ideas! If anyone else has any Mileven fic ideas, send me asks!
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