#so many celebs need to be unstanned

[goongiveusnothing]

I am laughing at the outrage from Harries on Twitter over Anne’s IG post. They are crying and throwing up that Harry’s mom supports Israel…who wants to tell them that Harry 10000% has the same views?? The thing is, he’s smart enough to post NOTHING on social media but there’s not a chance in hell he doesn’t support Israel. Considering how people are losing their minds over all the crap celebrities are posting this week, I truly wonder what would happen if his actual beliefs came out. Would they actually unstan? Or would they make excuses for him? Honestly Anne’s post is very low on the level of offensiveness IMO and she probably just wants to say she’s for peace all around. So many celebs have posted way worse (Justin Beiber 😵‍💫) I have no idea why or how people think he would be fully and unequivocally pro-Palestine. There’s no way in hell he would ever speak out in full favor of them without also supporting Israel. He’s a white British man with a TON of Jewish friends. I would cackle with glee if the swarm of Harries who think he can do no wrong and that’s he’s the worlds greatest ally for all causes actually showed them who he was. This is one instance where his silence is really helping him stay in good graces.

every single person around him hasn't just been pro israel, but ferociously pro israel. ben winston is now sharing photos of himself at the western wall in jerusalem even as his country massacres thousands of people. not a word about that. just avid support.

i think in the future if an israeli flag is thrown onstage he will prance about with it more loudly. if a palestinian flag is thrown that man will react like a cartoon character escaping gunfire.

there is not a chance in HELL this man supports palestine and would say so clearly.

irving azoff even signed a disgusting outlet to show their support for israel while at the same time claiming that within these days iran would be starting propaganda to make israel look bad and we all needed to ignore it. how disgusting is that. they want us to ignore what we can hear and see for ourselves. that israel is an apartheid occupying state and that they're keeping a starved water deprived group of 2.2 million people hostage in what's essentially an extermination camp, with mothers and children and fathers crying every day about their family dying. and they want us to ignore that as "iranian propaganda". the azoffs, harry, winston, his mother, can all get fucked.

notice how they all started with their big "i stand with israel" shit and were updating constantly because they thought for the first time the world would agree, but now that israel has brutalised and massacred thousands of bloodied people every single day. bombing hospitals, schools, animal shelters, people escaping on "safe" routes they told them to escape on, threatening to bomb aid entering the country. they go silent. ben winston won't say a peep. because they all support it because they're sick racist fucks.

[musette22]

is it weird that I can't even look at their pics right now (seb and chris) because I can't help but feel icky and disappointed? the recent evens reminded me that they are truly two rich and privileged white men who are so dumb just cos they wanna get some. I'm out. Maybe in a year or so I'll check what their projects are. maybe never. I just can't right now. what a shame.

Okay guys, I’ve been debating over whether or not to “open my big mouth” about this (as one anon so sweetly put it once), but I’ve been getting quite a lot of messages like this one and I think I do want to share a few thoughts with you all. I’m going to put them under the cut because this is a long one, and I don’t want to clog up everyone’s dash ❤️

First of all, let me just make it clear that I am fully aware of the severity of this pandemic, especially in some places, including in the US, and that I am in no way trying to make light of any of it or undermine how serious this situation is for a lot of people around the globe right now, many of you included. It’s a terrible situation, and it’s far from over. I’m also not aiming to be an apologist for the bad decisions of privileged white males just because I have a crush on them, because that idea is abhorrent to me, but I’m aware some of you might still feel like I am, and that’s your right.

Having said all that, I am getting a bit worried about all the posts I’ve seen about how people are angry and disillusioned with Sebastian and Chris’s behaviour. I’m not trying to invalidate your disappointment, because it’s totally fair to wish they’d made different decisions, more akin to the decisions you yourself presumably would have made. And if that disappointment goes deep enough then it is absolutely fair if you want to unstan them and stop following or supporting them (that does not extend to sending them hate though, that is not in any way acceptable, no matter how disappointed we are).

But, as anon rightfully points out, the fact of the matter is that they are privileged white male celebrities. This is not news. They (especially Chris) have been successful celebrities for a long, long time, and with celebrity come certain privileges. They can afford massive houses in LA and big apartments in expensive areas in New York City, for instance. They get to go to cool parties, they get free stuff, everyone kisses their ass. They get paid exorbitant amounts of money (Chris much more so than Seb of course) that bear no direct relation to their work and responsibilities anymore, at this point.

And that’s not to say they don’t work hard, they do - but so do most of us, and we’re not getting paid nearly as much as them. It’s inherently unfair, but that’s what celebrity culture (and capitalism) are. Now, I’m not saying everyone has to blindly accept the status quo and just ignore how unfair it all is – far from it. In some ways, I wish more people would denounce celebrity culture, because it is in some senses terribly toxic and unfair. But listen, if you want to stan celebrities because it brings you some joy in this fucked up world, then I think that’s also perfectly understandable. That’s what I’m doing too. And to stan celebs (at least of the calibre of Chris and Seb) we need them to be famous, otherwise we wouldn’t even know them and we would get no content to consume. They are famous because they are in Hollywood movies, and they are in Hollywood movies because they play the Hollywood game - to some extent, at least. Playing the Hollywood game means everything from flying all over the world for movie premieres and leaving a huge carbon footprint, to going to glitzy parties where there a are lots or questionable people present, to “lying” in interviews because of contractual obligations - and sometimes it also means playing along with fake PR rumours or relationships, even if it’s bad PR.

I know people are worried about Chris, and especially Seb, being “bought” by Hollywood and its money and temptations, and losing his integrity and that he won’t be that sweet, soft-spoken, well-read boy who loves his mom anymore. I personally believe that so far, both Seb and Chris have managed to maintain an impressive level of integrity throughout it all, and I’m still hopeful that that isn’t going to change (much).

But it’s not realistic to have the same expectations for them you would have for your loved ones for instance, because they’re not. We have zero relationship to them as people, and they owe us nothing. They give us movies and pictures of their pretty faces, and occasionally good advice or lovely hugs at comic cons, but that’s all we’re gonna get from them. They are not our friends or potential partners. They’re human of course, and in that sense just like you and me, meaning they have feelings and thoughts and a right to privacy and they make mistakes, but their circumstances are wildly different from most of ours. They’re surrounded by the Hollywood circus. They are PART of the Hollywood circus, because they’re actors and if you want to be a successful movie actor you have to play the game to some extent. Sebastian cannot be expected to be home all the time and decline going to parties because he prefers staying in with a good book even if he did prefer that, because that way he’d never be noticed by the people who matter, and who could get him where he wants to be. He said it himself, he’s an ambitious guy. He wants bigger roles, bigger challenges. And he’s not going to get them if he doesn’t do some annoying, dumb shit sometimes, unfortunately.

In my view, that doesn’t make him a bad person who doesn’t care about anyone but himself, but it does make him a privileged human. Being a privileged human also entails some responsibilities, though – if you don’t want to become corrupt, you have to make sure you also use your privilege for good. And in my opinion, both Sebastian and Chris do that. They use their voice and their money to help people less fortunate than them. That’s part of that integrity I was talking about. Some of you may disagree, and that’s fine, but this is how I view it.

As for everyone who is upset with them for traveling to Europe during a pandemic and not wearing a mask in public: I completely understand your frustration, and I am frustrated too. This is literally a deadly virus and it has to be taken very seriously, and unfortunately, they’re not taking it very seriously right now, and that kind of sucks. But the truth is, neither of them are breaking any rules and neither of them is being more callous than the majority of people in the countries they’ve been seen in are. The situation in most of Europe is stabilising (not everywhere, and the UK isn’t doing all that great to be fair), and governments are reopening their countries and facilities. Wearing a mask in the street is not mandatory in either Spain or the UK, except for in specific situations such as public transport or if you’re in certain professions. The rules here are different from those in New York etc. because they have been adapted to how each country is faring. 

I live in the Netherlands, and no one here is wearing a mask in the street, not even in the hospital or at the doctor’s, and yet the situation continues to stabilise (I hope to god it stays that way, but that of course remains to be seen). From my friends in Spain and the UK I have heard the situation is much the same. Yes, Sebastian is acting differently from how he did in New York, but he’s in different circumstances too, so that makes sense. Moreover, both Chris and Seb will have been tested before traveling, because they’re privileged celebrities who have access to testing even where lots of normal folks unfortunately don’t.

Now, I’m not saying both guys shouldn’t just have stayed put and not left the country (especially a country where the virus is still rampant), because they should have, and they’re both dumbasses for not doing so. I am definitely disappointed that they’re not being smarter and more considerate about this, but I recognise that my disappointment in part stems from the fact that I put them on a pedestal that I shouldn’t have put them on in the first place. And I know a lot of you are mad at them for flying to Europe “just to get some”, but that is disregarding the fact that both Sebastian’s holiday and Chris’s trip to London seem to be at least partially for PR reasons, most likely pushed and arranged by their agency. The exact extent of how much of it is PR is still a little unclear to me at the moment, but I think it’s fair to assert at this point that they did not just fly to Europe to “get some.”

I know this is ridiculously long, but I have been thinking about all of this a lot these past few days and wanted to get those thoughts out! I hope most of you can understand where I’m coming from here. Love you guys ❤️

[harrywritingsbyme]

so i put all of the🥺😖😔 asks into a text post with a keep reading bar so it won’t be too visible on you guys’ dashboard. i wasn’t planning on posting them but i know that some of you are feeling sad and you feel like your feelings are being invalidated at times so i’m leaving these here for you guys so that you all can know that you’re not wrong nor alone in your feelings. i love you all so much and this is a safe space for you and i understand. and if you guys don’t mind, i’d like to get us to a place of not talking about it on the blog bc i want it to be lighter and happy...it’ll be better for us all.❤️❤️❤️

Anonymous Said: Okayy but now that I’ve kind of taken a step back seeing him with Olivia and like reading fics is weird to me now. Like he’s someone’s potential bf and it feels wrong, it kind of took me out of a trance and I feel weird abt him now 🥺

Anonymous Said: Anonymous Said: hey babe, I'm feeling so stupid for being angry and jealous of harry. I'm trying to get away from Twitter and focus on other things so I don't get so sad and upset. I thought about so much shit during the last 24 hours 😭😭😭 why I'm so ridiculous and immature.

Anonymous Said: I've been reading your asks for a bit and honestly I felt that way when he was dating camille, it made me realize how emotionally attached I was to h, I felt pathetic because why in the first place I was feeling that way, I had no right, it was ridiculous but then at then end of last year i kind of did therapy to myself (hahha) to figure out the how's and why's, fortunately I happened to travel at the same time so I took a well deserved break and that helped me immensely. I'm going to say now that it's valid to feel that way- obviously not the ones that send hate or harass their s/o- but it's important to re evaluate ourselves and keep things balanced. I hope you have a great day :) you don't have to answer or anything

Anonymous Said: anyone feeling sad, remember that there’s love for u out there and it might not be with harry but it’ll be with someone who’s perfect for u. lets face it we don’t know what harry’s actually like on a day to day basis or if he’d even be good for u, but someone out there is so hang in there and take a break if u need :) sendin love !

Anonymous Said: hello i also feel a little like uncomfy about fantasizing now...like naturally my mind will wander cus im such a daydreamer and then my brains like gorl thats someones man😭and i cannot bring myself to do it anymore !? dunno

Anonymous Said: i have felt so heartbroken all day today & i cried over the news & i just think in my mind we actually had a chance @ ending up together & now that he’s in a relationship ive lost all hope when he is the one person i want to be w more than anything & to come on ur page & see that I’m not alone & ur being so kind & reassuring made me feel so much better

Anonymous Said: I really need help and i feel like you're one of the people that can really help😫. When i joined the 1D fandom in like September 2020, i was going through something and 1D like really distracted me and basically saved my life. But now its a new year and i need to focus on so many things ryt now. I feel like i need to take a break from them. Like just delete everything for a bit because im so distracted. Am i making the right choice here😥😥 Love ur page btw❤

Anonymous Said: Harry definitely has a huge affect on my life I spend far too much time fantasising about him I think I need to take a step back not from him just help myself realise that he is a real person not just ones in my fantasy’s

Anonymous Said: anons who were talking about getting attached to harry/forming a bond with a celeb that you admire, it's legit a thing called parasocial relationships! basically it's like a more legit version of unrequited love (tho i feel like that's legit, too, and we don't give it the importance it deserves) and it's easy to feel it with celebs who are in the public eye. i remember being on a bunch of niall blogs and people were talking about it when word got out he was dating someone so its def a thing!!

Anonymous Said: I think some people don’t understand we’re not upset that he’s happy or if he’s dating Olivia we wouldn’t be upset or angry or unstan him it just hurts a little bit because we all create fantasy’s where we’re dating him and probably even convince our selves that we will date him one day so it’s hard to see that he might be dating someone (if any of that made sense )

Anonymous Said: The vogue article had me cackling😂😂 -🎨

[bisluthq]

It really sucks that you have to answer these aggressive asks on a blog that you run for fun and for interesting discourse about a person who chooses to market her entire life as one giant 'easter egg' in everything she does.

This very clearly isn't a delusional 'secretly married' Kaylor blog, and call me crazy but theorizing that certain songs were written about men who she has spent time with and held hands with in public and then never confirmed dating rumors about is the exact same thing as theorizing that some songs might be about women who she's done the same things with in public.

This woman is an internationally known celebrity. She doesn't need to be 'protected' from blogs floating around theories about her art. She's FINE. 😂

Anyway I really enjoy all of your takes so keep doing you!!

Babe! Thank you so so much for your very kind words and the support you offer for this blog. I think you - and all the other people who love the blog (and I’m so fucking appreciative of every single one of you) are keenly aware of the following few things: 1) on this blog, we put clown shoes on at the door. We know this is all more than a little ridiculous and on some level we’re here for the lulz (and standard celeb gossip - we love that too and it’s the judgy glue that bonds us together) 2) we entertain any and all Taylor hookup theories and stories - boys, girls, enbies... we’re not saying any of it happened but we’re also not saying it didn’t and any of it might’ve inspired music 3) a lot of the time we’re straight up joking about shit - like y’all have seen my Josh is Betty masterpost, right? And you’re still thinking it’s worth attacking me?? 4) when we do try to do actual takes, we make the takes make sense. We’re not delusional, but we do like to speculate and joke about and we highkey hope pop star Taylor Swift is queer because else we’ll have to unstan 🤷🏻‍♀️ It’s way more fun to discuss takes/theories rooted in reality than like... literal nonsense that other blogs punt.

Next, we know we might be - and probably are - wrong about a lot. But this is for fun. We know that we don’t know a lot and that already makes us better off than most blogs/fandoms. Because we do know that we don’t know.

The other thing is, I have always stressed that we have to stay in our designated weird little shipper lane. I have CALLED IN people who have admitted to going onto verified accounts and messaging those and if I find out they’ve done it again I will call them out. It’s not okay. It’s not appropriate, and it’s not fun. We’re here, on a dead website, clowning about... because we like gossip and queer women and Taylor Swift. Like it’s genuinely not deeper than that for the bulk of us.

Finally, you’re exactly right - Taylor has a brand that hinges on speculation, Easter eggs, and pathological overanalyzing of her every word and action. And that hasn’t changed since she “went private” or she wouldn’t have had fucking EASTER EGGS in a CREDIT CARD COMMERCIAL. She wants us to speculate about her. So that’s what we’re doing. All WE’RE doing that’s different to other people is we’re saying she might’ve maybe probably banged some to many women (and on this here blog we’re also saying she banged some to many men). And speculating on my blog, or on one of my friends’ blogs, far from verified accounts, is not inappropriate.

I mean if there are “insiders” who want to message me lol go ahead but again we’ll stay here in our own weird lane and I doubt any person taking the time to message ME is super high level because I’m not You Know Who and I don’t think The Girls are sekritly communicating with me.

If anyone is offended by any of the above, then this might not be the blog for you. And I’m okay with that. Because this doesn’t need to be for everyone - I’m just having fun and hope you are too. And I hope you find blogs that you enjoy and have fun on. That’s what fandom/online friendships are for.

But also, again, I see and hear all of you who’ve been loving it and I really appreciate it.

And if you have actual suggestions - not “change your blog name” because that’s st00pid - stemming from feeling I’m doing something badly or missing something you’re all welcome to message me. I’m not perfect and I fuck up. But, again, I know that and I’m willing to learn and grow.

[cocochannel00]

SO MANY HARRIES WERE PISSED AT HIM BUT WERE SILENCED BEFORE. no one is mad cause he’s with a girl stop looking for misogyny to the people saying this. i for one was pissed he wasn’t wearing actual masks and was traveling since day one yet people told me i should unstan him so this is long over due. fuck people trying to silence people having valid point and hiding behind “it’s misogyny”. everyone’s problem is with covid not the woman there

Yes I think for some fans especially people that have been fans for such a long time it can be hard to take a step back and see Harry as “normal” and not this sort of super human that can do no wrong. You can still love his music and like him as a person and not have to unstan him but it’s healthy to also recognize that what he did in those photos (no mask, no social distance, not staying home) was not smart and put others at risk! We can’t control what happened so we can only hope that it serves as a learning experience and nothing bad comes from their recklessness.

I think part of the reason there’s been so much debate about this is that in the stan/ fandom world there are people that take it to extremes to the point where they believing that their favorite celeb/artists is perfect/ is never wrong/ is different from the rest and so when someone disagrees with that, some of these people become vultures and attack so they can try and protect this perfect image they’ve created in their head. Once you’ve learned to sort of detach yourself from that you realize that you can start to see these famous people more normally and notice their flaws and mistakes and hold them accountable just as you would a friend, family member, coworker, etc.

I think we can all acknowledge that what they all did was stupid and ignorant and preventable (like it’s not really an opinion it’s a fact) and there’s no need to “defend” Harry for it or try to make excuses for him because he is an adult and is very capable of making his own decisions and telling his friends when something they’re doing feels wrong but if he’s not comfortable telling them that or removing himself from those situations then maybe he needs new friends...

[sunflowerstache]

“Just unstan” there’s so many celebrities doing the exact same and their own fandoms are holding them accountable. I personally do not agree with Harry’s actions and he should do better but Harry is a part of my life (not personally obvs) that brings me joy. His music, his activism, the things he chooses to support and talk about, his kindness, the people in this fandom including Sarah are all the things that bring me joy. That is much the same for many others. No one is saying he should be cancelled, no one is hating on him we’re merely asking bare minimum during a global health crisis. We cannot get through any of this unless we all celebs and normal people alike abide by the same rules and it is a real kick in the teeth when you’re working hard to keep your end of the bargain and fucking James Charles every love islander the kardashians and Harry and so many others are out gallivanting. We have a right to be angry would you unstan/cut off/disassociate yourself from someone in your family, friend group etc for doing this? I think not. Have a good night Sarah ❤️❤️

that’s that on that. I will not be answering any more asks about the topic and if you for some reason feel the need to send me one, look at this instead because here’s my response.

[hoochy-coo]

We always say that we expect more from our fav celebs when it comes to raising awareness to issues, such as recently with the blm and COVID struggles. But what do you think they should do more? I mean, they should but what I don’t understand is what more do they need to do? Add more links? Post more? Idk this always seems like a polarizing topic that not many actually understand the depth of it

This is a difficult one because I feel like we all have different expectations of celebs. Personally, I don’t think they’re obligated to raise awareness on any sociopolitical/climate issues. If they choose to use their platform to shine a light on an issue, then that’s amazing but if they don’t then I don’t really agree with the gp going after them for it. Like if you’re discouraged that your fave didn’t speak on an issue then I get that and if you feel like you can’t support them because they’ve disappointed you by keeping silent when you need them to speak up, then it’s time to unstan - they don’t deserve your hard earned coins or support. At the end of the day, celebrities are paid to entertain and nothing else. I know some people say “they make an absurd amount of money because we line their pockets so the least they could do is use their massive platform to highlight an issue!” But the fact remains that we all actively choose to line their pockets due to whatever reasons and those reasons usually have very little to do with their activism. There are people out there in the position of power (politicians, senators, state reps, policy ministers, etc.) who could make an almost immediate change by passing bills and reforms but I feel like some stans don’t hassle/badger them nearly as much and waste all that energy on their fave who, if they haven’t spoken up already, probably won’t just because you tweeted at them 5 times lol.

In the case of BLM, I feel like every celeb should have spoken up. Firstly, it’s a human right issue so in general, we should all be doing our part. Now I know tons of celebs got dragged for just posting links to petitions and resources and not “spamming their feed.” I don’t really agree with that for the reasons I’ve listed above but if we’re talking about what more they can do, they could donate (which I know tons of them would have but not posted about it since it’s kinda in poor taste), raise awareness by posting more on their platforms, speaking out in support of the BLM/protestors and constantly doing so to make their stance clear. I would say attend protests by I know that’s not for everyone and sometimes that could even cause too much of a disruption. I also think it would also help if these celebs frequently make mentions of the movement/issues to the media and stand up for it even after the protests have subsided. It’s all well and good to be active about their activism for a week or two but it’s important they still use their influence to speak on it whenever there is a chance to.

[msginnymalfoy]

about arden, my doubt on her STILL STANDS. and no, its not racism or misogyny. as a poc myself, i am only asking for a FULL proof of someone’s claims when i see loopholes in their story - it’s not RACISM. and since you stalk my accounts, i have defended my girl MULTIPLE times. i love arden. i stand with her and HATE jeff and the show for what they did to her. i only ask for full story rather than half baked claims that “she was paid less” / being a POC does not excuse your racism. you literally accused arden of using the race and pay disparity card for attention, whining that she made jeff and posey (the ones who treated her like shit and the producers of the Teen Wolf revival) look bad and boost even more negativity toward their teen wolf movie. just because arden dared to speak up for herself and like a tweet against your nasty favs posey and jeff... you are racist trash, and using the race card – which is exactly what YOU accused cho of doing in an attempt to defend your shitty fav posey – to excuse your racist claims and post is not a tactic that's gonna work. if you don't realise how racist and fucked your accusations against arden are then it's your problem. the OP's right: people like you deserve to be avoided and ignored 

nope. if YOU don't realize how celebrity culture works then i am sorry for you. questioning a poc's action does not mean i'm racist. i WILL question celebs regardless of their race if i find their actions wrong.

i knew the day i made that post i will get backlash for it. Because most people here don't realize how public figures, celebrities etc make their every move to publicize the image THEY want you to see, the story THEY want you to know. y'all don't realize the most of the celebs you all are blindly supporting are not all that. and most of what they show is PR. for their image. their reputation. their work. i immediately hate the celebs once i realize how fake they are. and all what they show is just made up. i have witnessed too many of these stories in my years of being involved in stan culture. so i will have questions.

back to arden, let me clear this. her actions recently have been kind of fishy- TO ME. i have been very engaged in stanning celebs for so long now that i can see which new event, which new story is fishy or which story has loop holes in it.

let me ask you, paramount, jeff or whoever is paying these actors never discuss or reveal details of the negotiations between them. how does she know what the others were paid? okay let's just say she knew what she and the others were paid . how am i to believe what she is saying is true when all she says is "i think i was paid even less than half of what the others were paid" i need more than just "i was paid less" to hear and support a poc BECAUSE there are so many poc out there who goes through this discrimination everyday. i don't wanna put my heart and solidarity based on some half baked claims.

not just paramount or jeff, ANYONE in the industry doesnt just disclose these kinds of confidential information. also the rumour going around about tyler posey and hoechlin's payment is totally false and made up.

and stop making this about me hating on arden or being racist or even judgemental towards her. if i have questions i WILL ask them. maybe my post back then was harsh and i apologize if it has offended you. but my question still stands.

and this does not mean i have only questioned her ot the poc. i have hated and unstanned some white or privileged celebs for less.

also, two things about your submission

"...that she made jeff and posey (the ones who treated her like shit and the producers of the Teen Wolf revival) look bad..."

-my post never implied THAT.

-posey never treated her like shit.

- keep his name out of arden's issue because he has nothing to do with payments. (as far as we know)

-you wanna use the "producers" card. let's talk about hoechlin too. he is also a producer of this movie that means he will have EQUAL power in what happens. AND equal responsibility of what happened with arden (according to what arden said)

-i can't care any less about jeff. drag that mf to filth all you want

"the OP's right: people like you deserve to be avoided and ignored"

- the OP is a asshole cyber stalking bully who harasses people around here making up lies just because we like to love tyler posey and scott mccall. AND spreads hate for posey spamming comments and tweets on IG and twitter too. not just tumblr.

-i was not begging anyone to hear me out i just wrote and ranted about what i thought. if you think i give a fuck if i get avoided or ignored that is your biggest mistake 🤣🤣

-if you have a problem with my post ask me directly in the comments. don't do this anonymous asshole drama.

[pen1ag0n]

you said everyone in cube is built like a 2d man and what I'm about to say is honestly really irrelevant, but I've obviously always seen pentagon on screens in literal 2d, so when I saw them on tour and did hi-touch it was legit a bit mind-boggling to me to suddenly see them 3d?? I feel so dumb saying that. but I specifically remember Hyunggu being much less fragile than he looked to me previously and all the others as well were really solidly chunky and 3d and real and yet I totally get what you're saying

when i say 2d men i mean stuff like fiction? you know how weird proportions get in webtoon and whatnot 🤔 also 2d men are often too good to be true

don't feel dumb!! i'm glad you got to see them irl :) my friend saw them once during kami oji era and they were o.O and .. even more head over heels for yuto 😭 till this day they are a yuto stan. hyunggu is hella interesting bc we as fans know he's a sensitive dude who loves art etc but irl he's just a sturdy dude bc all that dancing Needs muscle

i feel like out perception of celeb is wonky, even through we have sns ans streaming, it only contributes to this strange dissonance that hits you once you see them live. there's this big dehumanizing aspect, tamagochi like thing when your whole core of interacting and perciving is through screen. like that whole phenomenon of people unstanning after seeing a group/solo artist during concert. one they feel like they peaked as fan. two they realise they are just an ant in a forest, they are so many other fans, it sours the experience

[lifeofdestiny01]

I think this fandom needs a wake up call and reality check. We put Harry at the upmost unfair, unreasonable, unrealistic pedestal. I understand Harry wasn’t wearing the proper mask, but he’s worn a bandana before and it was crickets. This fandom picks and chooses when we want to pop off about something, because it doesn’t fit the narrative that we want/have set for him. If you guys are going to call out Harry about stuff, be constant with it. He is going to be 27 in less than a month, not 7, not 17, 27 years old. He made a mistake. Y’all act like he committed murder or treason. If Harry does something you don’t like, that doesn’t automatically makes him a bad person or an asshole that thinks he is above the virus and there has been many ppl during this pandemic that have been having weddings, you guys act like their was 100 people at the wedding or something. Zayn’s sister literally had her wedding not that long ago, I did not see you guys have the same energy about that, like you have now, be CONSTANT. If you are going to call out Harry, call out other celebs and maybe even the other boys about it too.

And the way you guys treat all the women that Harry is either rumored to be dating or is dating, is utter disgraceful. You guys say you want Harry to find love and be happy, but in the same sentence you guys harass and drag the women he’s involved with that’s not what a true fan does. You guys never have the same energy when it comes to the women that the other boys are involved with. And how come everytime this happens you guys instantly think that it’s PR!?! That is pretty insulting to Harry, cause that implies that you think Harry can’t find love or someone w\o it being a stunt, so disrespectful. And if it is that is HIS choice, because it’s HIS CAREER, not yours or ours. Along with that anytime Harry is seen with a woman that is a POC (like Lizzo) and is seen holding hands and being somewhat flirty, this fandom and media responds with, “OMG they are the cutest and best of friends”, but when it’s a white woman just pictured with him, not even confirmed to be together, the media and fandom responds with, “OMFG are they dating??! They have to be dating”, the utter racism in this fandom needs to be called out and talked about. You guys think you know what Harry’s type is based on what you have seen, but that doesn’t mean that he’s not attracted to women of color. And if this man ever dated a POC this fandom what lose it’s mind and that speaks volumes.

This man’s slogan is ‘Treat People With Kindness’ and his own fans can’t even do the same onto him and the people he cares about. This fandom has gotten more toxic over the years and it’s getting out of hand and out of order. There are ppl out here literally unstanning him, because of what has been going on recently, meanwhile there are other celebrities out there that have done even worse and more problematic things out there.

Harry is grown, he’s not a child, all I ask is to stop making conspiracies about someone and something that you don’t know about. We are on the outside looking in, we are only seeing a small part of what is really going on. And we can’t even handle that. Harry could give us an inch and we run a fucking mile with it. Stop telling him what he can and cannot do, who he is and who he can and cannot associate it. This man preaches that he loves everyone for who they are and are dragging him for doing what he wants to do. Do you truly think Harry woke up and was like, “What can I do to piss off my fans today?” C’mon we gotta do better. There are more important things going on in the world right now, than worrying about who Harry is dating or fucking or whatever. What has happened over the past few days is proof that we don’t deserve him at all.

In Summary:

- If you call Harry out be constant. Don’t be quiet when he does it the first time and then when he does it again, you wanna pop off.

- If you truly love Harry, let him be. He deserves all the love and respect in the world. He has never does anything to on purposely piss you off, we all make mistakes, we’re only human, he’s not perfect.

- Harry’s personal life and decisions is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, we are NOT ENTITLED to know what goes on behind the scenes.

- And lastly, don’t act like you have never done something you weren’t proud of and like you have never made a mistake

[decoding1432]

If you want to unstan...

I’ve seen many of you losing interest or more like beginning to change your stanning experience. When I first began to read things about the industry & stuff, I sort of got this discourage as well. It hurt me to know that my idols’ lives weren’t as real as I had in mind. But now, more woke than I could ever imagine, I realise… After all they’ve gone through, I admire them even more & how lucky, how truly lucky I got when these five ladies entered into my life.

They’re not robots. Yes, they’ve gone through things we would consider extremist & unrealistic but let me tell you something: We fell in love with 5 beautiful humans who grant us access to a little piece of their hearts in every interview, in every performance, in every snap story.

Just because their lives happen to be quite frenetic at times or happen to be quite hard to understand for us fans, doesn’t mean they feel any less, that they are any less normal. Well, in this latter, maybe I’m wrong… You know what? Forgot what I just said, they’re not normal, they’re exceptional.

“Not all heroes wear capes” As cliché as it may sound, it’s nothing else but the truth. The five of them have saved more lives than we could picture. They’ve helped so many souls out there (including mine) to heal whatever wounds we had, wounds crying out desperately for attention. To mend whatever broken piece we had inside, that kept on thickening the cut. They’ve been there every step of that unsteady path. Even if it’s them doing the dumbest video, while watching it you can’t fight that grin. You can’t even try, cause you know damn well won’t resist to those five goofy smiles . Camila was right, some people don’t understand one of the many meanings behind idolisation.

We fell for five girls. We learned how to stand up thanks to five girls. They gave “heroe” a new synonym & “love” a new meaning. We got interested due to #that one song. We started becoming attached thanks to their voices. We chose to stay because of their personas. It’s the small things that make us cherish them even more day by day: The way they appreciate fans, the way they are grateful to the people they work with, they way their humble reactions get when finding out they’ve been nominated (even tho we know sometimes they deserve more than just one) the way they get so excited after after having won an award, the way they behave all goofy on snapchat, they way they would randomly get all turn on about food in the middle of an interview, the way they jam out to aleatory songs in the car, the way their friendship is shown on & off stage the way they care & are passionate about fixing the world’s problems… I could continue cause the more you think of this side of them, the more extensive the list gets. The point is: ALL OF THAT IS REAL. They are five beautiful humans who despite the business’ injustice & constant treachery always make sure to put a smile on our face even when they’re not having the best day themselves & reminding us how important & how much we’ve impacted their lives in one way or another just like they ignite the same effect in us.

How many of you want to deny the fact that they can turn the shittiest day into the brightest?

They connect people from all over the world & manage to bring it together for one purpose.

“I’m ⅕ of our purpose” Normani expressed. Guess what? Camila is still part of that purpose despise of having parted ways earlier. She’s still in pursuit of making the impossible possible. No matter the amount of pics or gifs they crop her out from, OT4s can’t erase her from the group’s history & Camilizers by discrediting & bashing the other four every time they’ve got the chance, won’t be able to delete the memories (memories that by the way mean a lot to your idol).

YOU DON’T NEED TO BELITTLE ONE TO PROTECT THE OTHER. It doesn’t make you a better fan. When I see anyone commenting things like: Why hasn’t (x) tweeted in days? Or why doesn’t (x) log in that often? Seriously, why do you think all of them have reduced their activity on Twitter, esp the past year? It’s no secret that they don’t enjoy SM like they used to. It’s all hate, all comparisons, all the time. Among other aspects:

Imagine, LAND had to endured reading on a daily basis for one year long a thousand “go solo” mentions, & they had to pretend like everything was fine & they weren’t breaking on the inside.

Imagine, I bet Camila was hoping for the hateful tweets to stop when she left, unfortunately these incremented even when she gave ot4s what they were expecting for so long.

As for C stans, they are constantly claiming that LAND couldn’t care less about watching Camila slip away. Does this looks like they didn’t care, like they were happy to see her walk away?

Them five have created an universe where each one of us is given the chance to coexist. However whatever happens inside THEIR WORLD IS THEIR OWN PROBLEM.

If they screw up, it’s doesn’t mean don’t call them out, do call them out but measurably, it’s not about attacking right aways. The girls aren’t perfect, they make mistakes obviously, like the rest of us. Quoting from another theory:

“As the audience, I’ve noticed we tend to expect a lot from celebrities. All celebrities in general. One fail & the internet won’t let them forget (even after they apologised). We have to remember that THEY’RE HUMANS TOO. An aspect that most haters choose to erase from them is the fact that THEY FEEL. Being in the public eye is hard enough. Our jobs as the audience is not to turn this even tougher for them. More than one celeb has addressed how they can have everything on the outside but at the same time feeling empty & destroyed on the inside.

To me the best kind of celebrity is the one who is nothing but grateful towards the fans & the one who takes the time to continuously learn to educate them. The girls might have screwed up in the past, & bc they ain’t robots they will continue to, but if I’m well aware of stg is that they have proven multiple times to be this type of celeb”.

If they fight or fought, it’s their altercation & none of us has the right to pry into it, worse speculate based on our prejudices only to enlarge the problem ten times more.

Even when we have evidence right in front of us…

0:56 “We respect one another enough”.

“I have love & respect for all four of my bandmates whether you choose to believe it or not… For those of you who enjoy speculating & creating drama that doesn’t exist, please keep in mind that myself & the other girls in the group are PEOPLE, we feel hurt & sadness just like everyone else.”

For real, can she be more clear?

I mean the immediate “NO” when the interviewer asks her if there was actually conflict between her & C around that time, I don’t know you but it seems totally honest to me. Then what she adds: “I think that is definitely all about people’s perception & thinking that they know more than they actually do… They really think that they know the whole story when they really– they don’t”.

Do you seriously believe controlled statements, parents’ tweets or worse “insiders”? Are you choosing to trust first the people that manipulate the girls for a living than the girls themselves?

If you want to unstan because of a fabricated narrative, go ahead…(Again, even if the quarrel happens to be real, it’s not our business. If they are meant to fix it, they’ll do, if they do love each other like they said in those interviews, they’ll might forgive one another when the time comes).

To the remaining OT5s that are unsure of which side to incline… YOU DON’T HAVE TO PICK.

OT4s & Camilizers will try to persuade you through their tweets, indirectly or not. They shape the story based on their perspective. A blinded point of view if I may add because even when the evidence is there, the truth for them is basically built on “excuses” to despise the contrary party. That’s how toxic it is.

No one is forcing you to support all the girls or to follow both acts (just respect) but I genuinely feel sorry for you if you decide to unstan one side as a result of a petty absurd storyline & the ambition of men in suits cause then you’ll be missing of five incredible role models & two worthy journeys.

[musette22]

Hi guys, 

I have been away for a few days visiting family, but I am now back and I just want to say a couple of things that I feel I need to say. What I said in a previous post about my anxiety and mental health still stands, but I also recognise that whatever I'm feeling doesn't even come close to measuring up to the sadness and fear and anger that many of you who have encountered racism first hand are experiencing right now. So while I'm still not going to answer individual asks about this – for the reasons I gave previously and because I don't want to take the focus away too much from where it ought to be – I do want to make my position clear here. This blog is for a large part about Sebastian and will continue to be about him for the foreseeable future, so what has happened should be addressed here, and my POC followers deserve to know that I support you without reservation and that this is still a safe space for you and always will be.

I want to make it very clear that Sebastian does not in any way factor into my thoughts and feelings about the Black Lives Matter movement. I condemn any and all forms of racism and I stand with the BLM movement fully and unconditionally. This has to end, and we have to do our best to make the changes the world needs, together. We should all speak up and stand up for what is right, and supporting marginalised and oppressed communities should always take precedence over any attachment or allegiance we might feel towards privileged (and in this case white, male) celebrities – that goes without saying. Also, I am not by any means an expert on any of these issues, and I am not American nor POC, so I won't pretend to have all the insights and answers. I can only tell you some of my thoughts on Sebastian’s actions in this regard, and hope that that means something to some of you.

·        Yes, I believe Sebastian could and should've handled this situation differently and better, regardless of what reasons he may have had for handling it the way he did. His actions have left me disappointed and confused too, and as much as I love him (I really do!) this is not his finest hour. He’s a grown man who’s responsible for his own behaviour, the good and the bad, and I’m not going to defend his behaviour in this case, because I believe it to be lacking. It’s not okay to blindly defend your faves’ actions just because you love them. It’s good to be critical and hold the people you love accountable when they do stuff that doesn’t pass muster.

·        Yes, people have every right to be upset, disappointed or even angry, and, in the case of his fans, to unstan if they are feeling any of those things. I am in no position to tell other people how to feel about this, so I’m not going to. The BLM movement and the overarching issues of racism and inequality in the US and elsewhere are much, much bigger than any one individual, and infinitely more important than any part of celebrity culture. Moreover, I am a firm believer in putting our mental health first. If you can’t support Sebastian after what’s happened because you feel hurt or anxious or otherwise negatively impacted, then it’s perfectly acceptable and even preferable to step away. We cannot make the changes the world needs if we don’t take care of our own mental health first.

·        No, I do not believe hate or harassment (whether against Sebastian or against other people who have joined in this discourse in whatever way) is the answer. I think some of you will know that that’s one of the beliefs by which I live and approach any situation, not just this one. I am an advocate of communication, of learning and growing, wherever possible. Of course, sometimes communication just isn’t enough, but I believe it often can be when it comes to people making singular mistakes, like in Sebastian’s case. Voicing disappointment in fandom/standom too often equals cancellation, which I frankly find short-sighted and kind of lazy. We should be allowed to be disappointed in someone without it meaning we no longer love them, and normalise that notion. Celebrities are still humans, and as such they will make mistakes, through which they will hopefully learn and grow, just like the rest of us. At this point in time, I believe Sebastian to be a good person who did a stupid thing, so I personally am not going write him off right now because of what happened over the past week, but I do sincerely hope he’ll do better in the future.

·        I do think the preoccupation with whether or not a celeb posts something on their social media is missing the point. This is not about celebrities. It’s about black people being killed by police in a system that seemingly places no value on the lives of its black citizens; it’s about structural inequality and racism being rampant in the US and many other places in the world, and about how we can change that. This is what the focus should be on, not on who's posting what on social media when. Again, feeling disappointed, mad, and upset with Sebastian is okay and fair, and you every right to voice that if that’s how you feel, but I also think we have to remember to focus our time, energy, and activism where it matters, and that there are other ways to help the cause besides posting about it on social media, which unfortunately seems to be performative to a large extent anyway. But I do believe that for someone with a significant social media following like Sebastian does, it’s important to show solidarity with those who might be impacted by everything that’s happening, and make it clear you are on their side. 

Long story short: regardless of what reasons Seb may have had for not publicly showing his support for the BLM movement sooner, I still think he made the wrong decision in this case and he should absolutely step up his game in the future. It’s not okay that it took him so long to speak up about what’s been going on and I fully understand people’s aggravation over it. But while some mistakes are certainly worse than others, generally speaking making mistakes doesn’t necessarily make us bad people. Unless, of course, we don’t learn from them, but Sebastian also isn’t some serial offender. He’s shown himself to be a decent person time and time again, and that’s why I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt and allow him the opportunity to learn from this particular mistake and show that he can do better. I know some of you will disagree with me and that’s fine. This is not the absolute truth, just my opinion, and I realise I am also still learning.