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[sholangagaga]

Wait I thought that everyone knew in canon that Bonnie was decommissioned?

This is gonna be a long answer so I'll put it under the cut. Very slight spoilers to an easter egg in Ruin

Apparently there's some confusion about this in the fandom but to reiterate to everyone who doesn't know; No one knows that Bonnie was shattered and is still within the Pizzaplex

No one.

Not the technicians, not Fazbear Entertainment, not the other animatronics.

To everyone in canon, Bonnie just up and disappeared one day under mysterious circumstances.

But Lonnie! you ask, your eyes innocent and wide. That doesn't make any sense! How could a giant 7ft robot disappear???

Well, according to what we learn in Ruin, he didn't actually disappear. We as the audience know where he is and know what happened to him. Everyone else? They have NO clue.

Your first key in to this is when Gregory first sees Vanny and tries to inform Freddy. To which Freddy responds with There are no rabbits at the Mega Pizzaplex. Not anymore.

We've already seen the animatronics go through hell and back and still be functioning. We've also see how FazEnt is REALLY unwilling to change or fully decommission animatronics because of how much it'll cost unless something impossible to cover up happens (Ie. the Missing Children Incident, The Bite of 83 and The Bite of 87)

As far as we knew, Bonnie hadn't done anything that drastic. None of the Glamrocks have, so what on earth could warrant him not only being fully decommissioned, but also completely wiped from the face of the Pizzaplex?

We get the answer to this question in bits and pieces throughout SB in the form of the dufflebag notices. There are two (three if you're annoying like me) very interesting ones that allude to Bonnie's fate.

Re-Theme, MISSING, and Monty Mischief

What do all of these have in common?

Well, they tell a story, albeit a very patchy one, but a story nonetheless.

Now, its important to note here that while Bonnie was still active (either as a band member or after his retirement) Monty Golf was very much an established attraction. This means that Monty wasn't made or pushed into the Pizzaplex to replace Bonnie outright. He was just another animatronic who spent his time in his own little place and did his own thing.

In Monty Mischief, we learn about how we're to stop Monty.

ERRANT BEHAVIOR REPORT - Monty didn't show up for the main stage performance again. We found him in the same place we always do, the catwalks over Monty Golf. We can't have a repeat of last month. Someone hit the hole in one and the hurricane bucket knocked him down. Both legs were broken and required emergency parts and service work.

Monty heads onto the catwalk every now and then, which is dangerous for him because the catwalks are prefaced by the blasters and Hurricane bucket. So, Monty is in danger of getting whacked off the catwalk and getting damaged.

In MISSING, we get our first clue into what happened to Bonnie on his final night active

SECURITY REPORT - 12:24AM - Bonnie is seen leaving his green room in Rockstar Row heading East towards the atrium. 2:40AM - Bonnie enters the East Arcade. 4:12AM - Bonnie enters Monty Golf.

Now this notice doesn't explain much. But once you look deeper into it, you start to find some odd tidbits within the notice that doesn't make much sense.

At nearly 12:30am, Bonnie left his green room and headed East towards the Atrium (which is the big squarish space in the center of the Pizzaplex) To explain it better cause the map is a big nondescriptive, the Atrium is that huge area with the main stage and all of the tables that leads to each attraction

Bonnie went EAST (or right) from Rockstar Row (which is the area right above the Atrium, where all of the animatronics themed rooms are) So assuming he was standing in his green room and he walked out, he would have walked down the rightmost path, where Roxy Raceway and Bonnie Bowl are located. (On the map, that would be the lefthand side. I know, that's confusing directions wise, but it would have been HIS right being the MAP'S left)

He went towards and entered the East Arcade (which would be Fazcade according to the map. The West Arcade is the Super Starcade)

Now, Bonnie left his room at 12:24 and got to the Fazcade at 2:40. That's almost 2 hours and 16 minutes of movement time.

Now we as the audience know that it doesn't take 2 and a half hours to clear a straight walking path. Gregory (and even Freddy) can clear that distance in less that 30 in game minutes. So what took Bonnie so long?

Normally I would say that maybe he was being stopped by kids or something, but this was well after closing. There shouldn't have been any kids or autograph opportunities, and unless Bonnie was walking at a snail's pace or in slow motion, it shouldn't have taken him so long to get to the Fazcade.

The next time stamp is even weirder. At 4:12am, Bonnie entered the Monty Golf (Directly across from Roxy Raceway on the righthand side of the map while below it is the Daycare)

It took Bonnie an extra 1 hour and 32 minutes to round the rest of the Pizzaplex (assuming he didn't stop and do something in the Fazcade) and end in the Monty Golf. And then from there, the name of the transmission is "missing" and there are no further time stamps, implying that Bonnie never left Monty Golf after that point and there are no further reads on his location.

So, he spent 3 hours and 48 minutes going to two specific points on the map only to vanish without a trace.

The next notice, Re-Theme, we get a bit of the aftermath of Bonnie's disappearance.

MANAGEMENT REPORT - The bowling alley needs a re-theme. While most of the Bonnie art was removed, kids keep asking, 'Where's Bonnie?' Do we have an officially approved response?

This is a notice from management themselves. Apparently, even though Bonnie hasn't been active for a while at this point, there still isn't a company approved response for WHERE he is. Not what happened to him, WHERE he could be. This means that after Bonnie entered Monty Golf according to the timestamp and never left, they must've searched the area and ended up being unable to find him, which led to them quickly changing gears and throwing Monty forward to take over. (Which is another discussion all together, I personally don't believe Monty hurt Bonnie, despite what the game wants you to believe)

In Ruin, we see what became of Bonnie and where he actually was after all of this time.

In the rundown Bonnie Bowl at the end of the alley, there's a sign that fell to block off the pin mechanisms against the alley wall. Deactivating all of the patpats (Wet Floor Signs) in the Ruin campaign will cause the sign to be removed, leading to a little rabbit (haha) hole. Going through the hole leads to a storage/recycling area for the bowling balls (I'm not bowling alley literate, its that machine that catches the balls and sends them back to the sleeve thing near the seating/scoring area so you can get your ball back)

And, laying there amidst the ruined machinery and surrounded by four patpats, is Glamrock Bonnie

He's apparently been there for a while, but he looks relatively untouched from the decay and ruination of the other animatronics (probably because he wasn't moving around and instead was completely stationary) ((some people mention how he seems to be missing his endoskeleton/major machinery but this post isn't about what happened to him/how he was shattered, this is just about his disappearance and subsequent location))

The fact that Bonnie has just been laying here, untouched, his only company being a few bear-eared patpats, means that NO ONE knew he was back here. If the technicians or FazEnt knew he was back here, they would have repaired him. And we KNOW that they could repair him from any state of disarray or damage because we've seen and heard of this happening before (Monty with his broken legs, Vanessa mentioning to Freddy how they can "slap his shell onto another endo" if he keeps misbehaving)

And even if Bonnie couldn't be repaired enough to take the main stage again, they could at least repair his shell or make him a permanent fixture at the Bonnie Bowl and complete retire him without leaving him in the back of a bowling alley to rot away.

Now how he got back there, I've got a few theories but again, that's another post for another day. But it's a bit sad to learn that Bonnie never really disappeared. He'd been injured in some way and went back to his home to basically die, and no one knows what happened to him. Not even Freddy, who loved and misses him so much, who probably would have been so happy to learn that Bonnie was right there the whole time and all they needed to do was repair him

But he doesn't know.

No one knows.

And since that scene is an easter egg and not an actually scripted story event, there's a very good chance that no one will ever know Bonnie's final resting place.

And that's so very sad

[sholangagaga]

What do you think happened to Glamrock Bonnie, using all of your info that you gathered through the game? your analysis on Bonnie's disappearance was really indepth

I was putting off this ask for a while because I wanted to properly gather my thoughts (and I wanted to replay Ruin like another 2 or 3 times just to make sure I got all the lore I could) but I think I have a grasp on what I want to say

BTW, Spoilers under the cut per usual, also, this theory is going by the premise of Ruin's ending. I'll reference my previous theory as well. This is also a carry over of this post.

Now, I had said in that previous post that the three Dufflebag notes told a patchy and incomplete story. Because to me, they do. But in order to decipher the story they tell, you need to think about what was happening in the Pizzaplex during that timeframe. (there's also a couple more Dufflebag notes that help the story as well, I totally forgot to put them in my earlier post)

as I said before, Bonnie and Monty were already co-existing at this point. Bonnie was the bassist, and Monty was just an animatronic with his own attraction (like how Foxy is the animatronic at the theatre and Sun/Moon/Eclipse are the animatronic for the Daycare)

Now I'm gonna preface all of this theory and information with the fact that I do not believe Monty killed/attacked Bonnie.

I simply don't.

I know what the OG Security Breach story wants us to assume, but from a logical standpoint, it simply makes no sense.

Now, let's go through this chronologically. There will be some conjecture here using the information we've seen outright, so please don't strangle me if this doesn't necessarily match canon or what-not.

First, Bonnie was the original bassist of the band. Alongside Freddy, Roxy, and Chica, they were the original cast. (I don't know why Foxy wasn't part of the original band. Maybe he WAS, long before Roxy took over, or maybe they decided Foxy would be better in the theatre/child area since prior incarnations of Foxy weren't considered bandmates, they were simply side attractions for kids)

I think it's pretty safe to say that Monty was enamored with Bonnie in some regard. At the very least, he looked up to him. In the Gator Golf attraction that shows you Monty's rise to fame, you see Monty playing something akin to a bass or a banjo all alone in his swamp. He was a One Man Band, as they say.

I think his One Man Jug Band probably played in the Gator Golf, maybe he had his own little party bookings there judging by how popular his attraction is. (Like how Roxanne's parties can be booked at Roxy Raceway/Glamrock Salon or Freddy's parties can be booked at the Atrium and main stage)

At some point, Monty became acutely aware of the main band and the stardom they enjoyed. Of course he did, they were the main focus of the Pizzaplex, and the main band had their own greenrooms along Rockstar Row, the FNAF equivalent to the Hollywood Walk of Fame, if we had to compare it to something in the real world.

It seems very obvious that Monty looked up to Bonnie. Bonnie, who shared the same instrument as him, who probably was friendly to him and maybe gave him some pointers on how to refine his playing.

You can see Monty looking up towards the band, but his gaze is localized on the star and Bonnie. Bonnie is also the only one looking at Monty. I think that, at least at this point, they were on good terms in some regard.

Now, for what happened to Bonnie. When we look at Bonnie's body, you can see that he was apparently clawed open and parts of his endoskeleton and machinery was removed and taken away.

You might be thinking, "Well, he got clawed open. So that means that Monty did it, of course."

and You'd be wrong.

If you recall, Monty got his claws in order to play the bass. Now why would he need to play bass if the band was still full and there was no need to replace Bonnie since he was still active? This is mentioned in the note MONTY UPGRADE

MAINT LOG: MONTY - Montgomery's Claw upgrades allow him to play the bass. Following performances, he mostly uses them to cause damage. The fence repairs are getting costly.

So, whoever clawed up Bonnie couldn't have been Monty. And if Monty had clawed up Bonnie, why did he rip out his hardware when he'd have no need for it?

Now what exactly happened to Bonnie can be tracked through his last night active in the Pizzaplex. Seen in the notice MISSING, we are able to see Bonnie's final movements.

SECURITY REPORT - 12:24AM - Bonnie is seen leaving his green room in Rockstar Row heading East towards the atrium. 2:40AM - Bonnie enters the East Arcade. 4:12AM - Bonnie enters Monty Golf.

Now I went into deep analysis of this in my post explaining how Bonnie is considered missing in canon, so I'll summarize it here.

Bonnie spent 3 hours and 48 minutes following a specific path in the Pizzaplex only to disappear after entering the Monty Gator Golf attraction. It took him 2hr16mins to enter the Fazcade from Rockstar Row, and then 1hr32mins to get to Monty Golf.

There's no reason it should have taken Bonnie so long to move from Point A to B. So there must've been something that he was doing during that long walk.

So my theory is that Bonnie was already injured when he exited his green room and started his journey towards the Fazcade.

My reasoning for this is mostly because of how long it took Bonnie to get to the Fazcade, but also because it doesn't make sense for him to take the path he did in the first place in the middle of the night.

I believe Bonnie sustained his injury and then left his greenroom to find help or someone to help get him to Parts and Service. He trudged his way to the Fazarcade and then went towards Monty Golf. And then something happened in Monty Golf that must've fully incapacitated Bonnie, making it so that he was unable to leave. And then at some point, he was abandoned at the back of the Bonnie Bowl and left to rot.

Now, as for what attacked him, I'm a bit up in the air about it since I don't know what exactly is the true canon-line for the game. I've heard some people imply the Burntrap and Blob ending was deemed noncanon and instead the ending of Ruin involving the Mimic IS the true ending. That confused me because the Mimic didn't appear at all in SB (as far as I recall, and I poured over that game pretty intensely) and in the Ruin ending, you see the area where the final battle against Burntrap took place. (And this isn't even touching on what exactly Malhare/M.X.E.S is, I'm assuming hes some remnant of Glitchtrap?)

After playing Ruin (and using Ruin as the main plotline) I have two theories of what attacked Bonnie.

Bonnie was attacked by the Mimic (who does have huge, sharp claws) in an effort to either build on itself or repair itself, and then maybe followed or lured him across the Pizzaplex towards Monty Golf. And then it fully shattered him there, maybe using the Hurricane Bucket that was mentioned in the Monty Mischief notice. Then in an effort to hide the "body" and be able to take it apart without technicians or FazEnt getting in the way, the Mimic brought Bonnie so the back of the Bonnie Bowl and further removed his endo and parts.

My other theory is that Bonnie injured himself. Remember, Monty didn't have claw upgrades by that point so he couldn't have been the one to claw open Bonnie. But you know who DID have claw upgrades? Bonnie.

I think in some way, Mimic or some glitch entity (maybe Malhare/M.X.E.S) got into Bonnie's head in an attempt to lure him somewhere secluded so they could harvest him for parts, but Bonnie fought the conditioning much like Freddy had and ripped himself apart to get these strange voices/entities out of him. And then he wandered the Pizzaplex presumably looking for help before he was finished off in the Monty Golf and brought to Bonnie Bowl to be harvested.

This would explain Bonnie's injuries, why the Mimic (or Burntrap if you want to go that route) looks so brand new and put together, and also why Bonnie apparently disappeared without a trace.

BONUS

There's another notice in the Dufflebags that seemingly adds more to Bonnie's fate, Understudy

MANAGEMENT REPORT - With Bonnie out of commission, we are making Monty the new bass player. Parts and Service has already done the proper adjustments. This could be a good thing. Monty could be even more popular than Bonnie.

This notice apparently takes place before the notice Re-Theme since it takes place DIRECTLY before Monty gets established as the new bass player in the aftermath of Bonnie's disappearance/shattering. However, Bonnie being "out of commission" doesn't allude to anything about his actual fate. It must be that Bonnie disappeared suddenly, and in an effort to smooth things over and re-complete the band, they pushed Monty into the role. As we know, repairing and fixing an animatronic is not a hard thing to do. There's no way Bonnie would be so destroyed that it'd be impossible to put him back together, and from what we saw of Bonnie's condition, it was certainly bad but it's not like he was completely turned to ash or destroyed and unrepairable. They could have repaired him if they got a hold of his body. But it was apparent they didn't, and they had no idea where it was. So instead of rebuilding/remaking an entirely new shell and endo from scratch, they simply grabbed the next best thing and put him into the role.

Which explains why Monty seems to openly use Bonnie's old props, like his glasses and his bass. Monty never had a problem with Bonnie, he idolized him. And after his idol disappeared, he took his place and used his props to allow Bonnie to live vicariously through him. Not to mention how maybe Monty feels responsible for Bonnie's disappearance since it happened in his own attraction, but if Monty was the one who hurt Bonnie then I sincerely doubt the other animatronics would be okay with him taking his place and using his props. Especially Freddy, who was the closest to Bonnie.

[sholangagaga]

Someone sent me these pictures on discord and I.....have you people not learned how powerful Matthew Lillard is??? If you start manifesting William in our world then he's bound to appear and then we're ALL doomed

[sholangagaga]

What's your opinion on Monty?

Oh I've been waiting for an ask like this to come across my inbox after how popular my Bonnie theories have been. (full theory and spoilers under the cut)

Short answer: I think he's neat!

Long answer: I think Montgomery Gator is one of, if not the, most tragic character in the entire Glamrock cast. And his tragedy, while of course upsetting to see, is also incredibly endearing from a narrative standpoint.

What does that mean? Well, let me explain.

Monty was not made to be part of the band. That much we know in the canon lore. He was his own animatronic, with his own attraction and his own thing. Whether or not he was there from the very beginning when the Pizzaplex was built, or maybe they added him later to bring in more diversity and subvert the burden on the main band, I don't think we'll ever know. (since every main band member has their own attraction, which probably subtracts from their available time to perform main shows throughout the day)

The only bits and pieces we get of Monty's "life" before his joining the band is narrated through the Gator Golf attraction.

Monty's story starts with him as a One Man Jug Band, playing by himself in his swamp.

Now it's already pretty apparent that the Monty we see here is way more docile and doe-eyed than the one we encounter in Security Breach, but maybe that's the point.

We all know the stories of humble beginnings, of rags to riches. To me, Monty was one of those stories. A little guy who ended up catching a big break down the line.

Now to get this out of the way, I don't believe Monty shattered Bonnie or the theory that Monty hated Bonnie (I went into detail here if you want the full explanation). We actually can easily debunk that theory in a few different ways, but the main thing is everything we see about Monty implies he actually admired Bonnie.

In his ride you see how he looks at Bonnie, His Showtime outfit incorporates yellow stars (like Bonnie), and he even still uses Bonnie's bass.

Now if you hate someone, if you hate them enough to kill them and take their place because you felt you deserved their fame, would you emulate that person? Would you use and wear their items, thereby constantly reminding yourself of someone you hate so much? Why would you go through the trouble of getting rid of them, of wiping them from everyone's memory, just to keep things that will always tie you to them? That doesn't make much sense to me.

You could argue that the items are trophies of his 'kill', but wouldn't you keep trophies or things of the like somewhere no one could see them? Why flaunt them and again, bring attention to this person that you hate so very much?

I think it's the exact opposite. Monty admired Bonnie, the depths of which we probably won't ever know the extent of, and when Bonnie disappeared, Monty took his place but never forgot the person who got him there. He wears Bonnie's glasses (which we never see Bonnie wear aside from in his neon portrait, which may imply that he might have given the shades to Monty directly at some time before he was shattered) and he uses Bonnie's bass, which was ALSO given to him according to the Gator Golf ride

I've seen people say that this scene is actually showing that Bonnie was just setting his bass aside after a show and Monty stole it, thereby using it for his own gain and I. . .don't see how people can infer that from the image? It looks like Bonnie is literally holding it out to Monty, who is on one knee and accepting it with respect and a cheerful expression on his face. Besides, you need some MASSIVE balls to just. . .steal a band's instrument after the show and just get away with it? Especially from what we see in game, there'd be no feasible way Monty could do that without the audience or technicians being like "What the fuck are you doing"

So yeah no, this looks like a mutual passing of the torch.

Anyways, Monty uses the shades and bass as a nod to Bonnie, he was a sweetheart with a baby face who got thrown into fame to replace his idol. I think, in some regards, Monty might've felt conflicted. Like, here he is in his dream job, but at the cost of someone he cared about.

You know who Monty DID hate though? Freddy. We can infer from plenty of sources and in game material that Monty HATED Freddy, and the reasoning for that could be literally anything, but it's not odd for a bandmate to dislike their leader/member because they're more popular (you see it a lot in IRL bands too, the favoritism and jealousy)

It's also easy to see that fame changed Monty, as it does for plenty of people. Having so many eyes on you, feeling the euphoria of all the love and attention day in and day out, it gets to your head. It changes who you are, muddles your humility. And we can see that Monty acts in the stereotypical Rocker way, conceited, destroys his greenroom and other things after shows, etc. It's an all too common trope and its sad to see it happen to Monty, though a lot of his rage could also be compounded by Glitchtrap/Vanny/Mimic being annoying (Notably, you never hear of Monty destroying his shades or his bass. Perhaps there are some things that he's oddly protective of)

And then in the main Security Breach, you only meet Monty at his worst. Angry, Corrupted, feral. You spend your time running from him (since Bonnie's shades protect him from most of Gregory's gimmicks), you hear from second-hand conjecture that he was probably the one who shattered Bonnie (which probably weighs on him too, the children asking where Bonnie is, and the technicians maybe side-eyeing him thinking that he's just a meathead who destroyed Bonnie to take his place) and each time you see him, he just gets more and more split from that sweetheart who was happily playing in his swamp.

Not to mention how he "dies"

Monty comes for Cassie, ruined beyond salvation, his mind still gone from all of the torment he endured being controlled and shattered over and over. To save herself, Cassie uses the Faz-wrench to activate the power and escape, only for the electric currents to turn the water into a death trap.

The thing that decommissions Monty, that finally puts him out of his misery, is Bonnie. That's Bonnie's neon portrait (a bit damaged from the dilapidated building) and it is the very thing that electrifies the water, destroying Monty's hardware. Whether or not its karma for Monty shattering Bonnie, or some sort of heartfelt prose that the thing that finally allows Monty to rest is the one person he cared about most, who's to say? You could argue it both ways, but isn't it just a tad more comforting to think that even in death, Bonnie was always looking out for his understudy?

Monty's story and character progression is a trope of Falling from Grace, of Icarus flying too close to the Sun and plummeting to the unforgiving earth. The more I learn about him, the more I feel bad for him. I think he deserved better. Roxanne for her redemption in Ruin, but Monty is left open-ended. A monster and murderer to some, a washed-up rocker to others.

But I think Montgomery was more than that. I think he had the capacity for gentleness and love, but he was in a position where the world was against him. His older and more experienced bandmates always destined to be loved more than him. He was basically an entry level teenager around mastery level adults. He might've lost his mind back then to the pressure and the negativity, resorting to violence for attention. No one was there for him, and Bonnie, the only person who probably would've been there for him and understood him better than most, disappeared without a trace, leaving him all alone in a world that would never fully accept him.

Yeah, I like Monty a lot.

[sholangagaga]

So I finished Ruin and. . . Hoh boy.

Per usual, everything will be below the cut (THERE WILL BE SPOILERS)

The dlc was short but it was super immersive! I was at the point where I was easily losing track of time because I was so lost in the scenery but, we're gonna go in order here of everything that happened!

First, the walkie talkies!! They're so cute, and I love how each one is related to an animatronic (or at least two of them with the Roxy Walky and the Freddy Walky)

Next, the Faz-wrench was such a neat little addition to the mechanics. It gave Cassie her own thing compared to Gregory and it tied into her background of her father being a technician. Plus, the mini game associated with it was super soothing to me for some reason!

The VANNI system and mask was also a SUPER neat touch. It felt like playing Help Wanted with the AR and electronic aspect. I loved how you had little tasks to complete to "breach the security" of each little area which ended in the Parent Node having its own little puzzle to solve in order to full breach it. Not to mention the goddamn Entity who stalked you in the AR world

A little sus that the mask was tied to Vanny, which makes me wonder if the game in Help Wanted was VR but instead of like an occulus or whatever, the item you needed to use was the VANNI mask. It would make sense considering the mask was one of the items you got in Help Wanted and it was the game that "made" Vanny herself

I wish the mask was explained more but I still understood why they didnt focus too hard on it. Maybe in the next DLC/game we'll get an explanation

The Daycare scene was just as jarring as the original game! I both hated and loved it! I did find it super interesting how this time instead of trying to turn on the generators to stop Moon, you needed to turn them on to save Sun.

When Cassie used the Faz-wrench to "create" Eclipse I was pretty flabbergasted! there was a setting, apparently, at all times to combine Sun and Moon to create what looked to be the perfect Daycare Attendant. Which confused me as to why Fazbear Entertainment would risk ever letting Moon out if they could have just gotten rid of him completely?

And it was apparent that Sun and Moon were both suffering, but Sun was more so since he seems to be the dominant personality. The way he begs for help and even thanks Cassie as she leaves is tell-tale that he was having a horrible time being alone and trapped within his own mind.

Oh well, Eclipse is my baby and Kellen's soft voice for him was wonderful!

The part with the walking Endos was awful! Just like in the original game! I'm not even gonna bother posting screenshots of them! I hated them!

The nod to the Freddy and Friends TV show was super cute, I loved it!

Monty's backstory in the Monty Golf was an eye opener as well. You see Monty's roots in the first scene as a One Man Band, playing in his swamp/bayou to whomever will listen.

In the second scene you can see his admiration towards the original band of Freddy, Chica, Roxy, and Bonnie. Notably, Monty and Bonnie seem to be looking at each other, which makes me feel like Monty was more so admiring Bonnie rather than the entire band or even Freddy. Freddy is also completely darkened/outside of the light. Which matches what we know about Monty and his inferiority complex towards Freddy and his fame as the face of FazEnt and the Pizzaplex.

In the next scene, you see Bonnie (partially cut off) giving his guitar to Monty, a passing of the torch. The final scene is Roxy "glamming" Monty up for his spot on the band

Now, this all sorta flips what we know about Monty and Bonnie's relationship on its head. In the prior game it's hinted that Monty might have shattered Bonnie in order to take his spot because he was jealous of him or hated him or whatever but. . .If that were the case, why would Monty use Bonnie's bass and wear his glasses? If he hated the guy so much, why use his items and therefor constantly be reminded of him? And why would his attraction in Monty Golf revolve around his admiration for Bonnie if the feelings he had for him were the complete opposite?

I think Monty and Bonnie were fine with each other, or at least friendly in a mentor/student way, and Bonnie being shattered was either something William/Glitchtrap/Burntrap and Vannie facilitated or could have been something where Bonnie fell from the catwalk above Monty Golf and got shattered that way.

Monty seems to hate Freddy more than anything or anyone else, judging by the decapitated Freddy statues in Monty Golf and his cutout being blacked out. and it would fit with that one ending where Freddy ran away and Monty took his place. Idk man, my brain was SWIRLING over this

Plus that whole scene/puzzle in Monty Golf catwalk was both annoying and fun with the blasters. Hate/loved it!

The addition of the jammers was a neat little touch too. It made the game more difficult while also giving you a reason to actually perceive the Entity as a threat (since sometimes the jammers locked you in the AR mode, which is the only way the Entity can catch you)

C....chowda....

Is it Chicken chowder? Seafood? it's even served in a bread bowl and I....I love breadbowls....so much.....

Poor Roxy, man.... She can't see anymore, but she still sits in front of the broken mirror in her Salon and berates herself.....

They're echoing each other.....

This is pretty heartbreaking.

Here's Cassie, presumably on a birthday or some outting to the Pizzaplex, spending time with her favorite animatronic and getting dolled up to look like her, only to end up sobbing all alone and ruining her makeup. And then here's Gregory to comfort her, implying this might've been when they first became friends.

And it explains why Cassie cares so much about him. Gregory helped her when she needed it, and now she's here to do the same

Every single part with Monty in the water was anxiety inducing and I hated it!

Oh. . .what cruel irony. . .

The one to decommission Monty was a neon sign of Bonnie, who was (presumably) either shattered by Monty or because of Monty, and was Monty's biggest inspiration and the object of his adoration. . .

Owch. . .

I was not expecting this fucking go-kart to kill if it hit you so imagine my surprise when I see this cutscene and my brain hasn't registered my flight response so I end up getting knocked out of my fucking sketchers by some kart going 30 on a small stretch of asphalt.

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Big thanks to @askerror87 for asking permission and giving credit in regards to my Bonnie theory/posts! They made a nice little video about Monty's plausibly being framed in SB and Ruin and I think everyone should give it a watch! Error brought up some things that even I didn't think about during my own theory crafting, so it was refreshing to get some new points!

Thanks again, Error! In the future, none of you need to ask permission to use my theories! Just a bit of credit is all I need, and of course, I always love to see other people's theories and videos!

Here are my theories revolving Bonnie in SB, and my analysis on Monty for those who didn't get a chance to read up on them!

Bonnie's Disappearance Post What happened to Bonnie? Montgomery's Tragedy

Ask Box is always open for more theories, questions, or just chatting!

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My piece to celebrate the anniversary of Consequences! Today (12/22/2023) the comic turns 2 years old, and its still going strong!

I'm good friends with the creators of the comic and I'm so glad to be around for their huge milestone! They've done a QNA session for the comic which I act as a moderator for and will be posted on Youtube soon!

Spencer and Azalea, I love you guys so much! Congrats on 2 years! From Lonnie and the Glamstars, with tons of love! Here's to many more years of Consequences!

Read the comic HERE

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your opinion on Glamrock Bonnie's official outfit?

Spoilers for Ruin (under the cut per usual~)

I THINK HES SO CUTE

LOOK AT HIM

HES MY LITTLE BABY GIRL

My ONLY gripes with him is that A) he's blue??? Why is he blue?? The Bonnie Bowl variant is purple so like. . .did he have the capability to change color? Was Blue his stage color and Purple was his bowling color?? B) THE RED/NEON RED ONESIE CLASHES WAY TOO MUCH I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED ANOTHER COLOR (but what did I expect, Monty has the WORST purple as part of his color scheme so why wouldn't Bonnie had something awful on him too (the bassists get no love? I guess???)

My favorite part of his design is that he and Freddy have matching earrings! I did it with my own iteration of Bonnie and Freddy to symbolize their relationship so its amazing to see that its canon in their designs! Super cute!!!

I'm already planning on "Glamming" him up for my au, so I'm definitely gonna change a few things just to satiate myself but otherwise I like it! Hes so cute!

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Glamstars turns 2 years old today!

New year, new art, chapters, schedules, and all of that fun stuff! Thanks to everyone who stuck along with me!

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Why do you think Monty hates Freddy so much?

I feel like there's a few reasons, but canon confirms at least one or two of them in the form of little tidbits of information. I'll go into detail under the cut.

(Still going to advise of Ruin Spoilers, even though it's been a couple weeks. I will eventually stop warning of spoilers though!)

This is something that I've been thinking about for a while, honestly. Now that my views of Monty have changed a bit, so too have my ideas of his motivations.

Since I don't believe Monty hated or shattered Bonnie, that erases a big causation of his rage that we see and hear of in the game. However, since there isn't much proof to say that Monty hated Bonnie, there is a lot of proof to say that Monty hated Freddy.

And he hated Freddy a lot.

My biggest problem was trying to figure out why he hated Freddy so much. Some people who probably attribute this hate to how popular Freddy is and used that to compound the idea that Monty was a vicious and jealous and wanted to get rid of everyone in his way.

However, when it came to Monty craving the spotlight and wanting to get rid of everyone who got in the way of that, why didn't he ever show the same disdain to Chica and Roxy? They were more popular than him too, and wouldn't it be easier to soak up all the fame by just simply getting rid of ALL of them so he was the lone one on the stage? And, if they weren't included in his jealousy, why was it only Freddy? Was Monty sexist, maybe seeing the girls as lesser in general? You would think he'd hate Roxy the most, since she's so narcissistic and stand-offish and would have clashed with Monty the most. Freddy, by all accounts, was a sweetheart. He probably would have done anything Monty said out of blind trust to his friends.

So, why hate him so much?

I think Monty's hatred of Freddy stemmed from something deeper. Monty is portrayed in these theories and scenarios as someone who craves the spotlight, who'd do anything for the spotlight but. . .we know that to be false

Monty's beginnings in Gator Golf implies he was just a humble strummer in his bayou. He wasn't built or programmed to be a star. He wasn't even made for the band, he only took over because Bonnie went missing.

And, a dufflebag notice debunks this as well. In Monty Mischief, you learn of an odd behavior the Gator tends to get up to.

ERRANT BEHAVIOR REPORT - Monty didn't show up for the main stage performance again. We found him in the same place we always do, the catwalks over Monty Golf. We can't have a repeat of last month. Someone hit the hole in one and the hurricane bucket knocked him down. Both legs were broken and required emergency parts and service work.

Now, a couple things to note; the very first word you see is "errant". Now errant has a few definitions, so I'll post a summary of them here from Merriam-Webster

Errant; to behave wrongly

Monty, according to the technicians, is behaving incorrectly. He's SUPPOSED to be at the main stage, but he just blows it off to muck around in his attraction. Is that the behavior of someone who wants fame all to himself?

To me, I think maybe Monty doesn't care about the stardom anymore. He had his fill after Bonnie disappeared and now that he knows what the fame is actually like behind the scenes, he's tired of it. He wants to go back to his attraction, to have fun and no longer have any of these responsibilities.

Which brings me to the first theory/reason of Monty's hatred for Freddy.

Theory A: Monty is tired of the stardom and misses his simple days, and perhaps blames Freddy for that.

Monty seems to not care about the spotlight anymore. He wanders around his attraction and goes to the catwalks where the kids and games are. He destroys his greenroom and everything around him, like he's throwing a tantrum.

Freddy is so popular he's always doing shows and as such, is always inadvertently forcing Monty to have to be present for the shows (he's the bassist! They're pretty important! If you lose the bass in a band, the songs lose their underlying tune and edge! Respect your bassists!) and Monty was simply resented Freddy for it.

Theory B: Monty hates how popular Freddy is and wants him out of the way.

This is the main theory that I see everyone leaning towards. We get a bunch of evidence for this too, such as one of the endings of the OG SB

Freddy leaves, Monty takes over as the leader and becomes the new face of Fazbear Entertainment. Probably a happy ending for everyone involved, I'd say. You could even say that his ditching main performances is purely because he doesn't want to be a bassist, he wants to be the star of the show. If he can't hog all of the attention, then what point is there for him to even bother showing up?

Monty's rage could be chalked up to him hating how much everyone loves Freddy, and maybe he wants that all to himself. (Though this theory pokes holes in the Monty-Killed-Bonnie theory, cause why target BONNIE if FREDDY is the leader? Especially since becoming bassist probably wasn't enough for him)

You even see it in Ruin when the ride gets to the final point and you see glammed Monty standing alone before a beheaded Freddy statue

And finally, the third theory

Theory C: Monty hates Freddy because of his relationship with Bonnie.

If we go by my prior theories of Monty not being the cause of Bonnie's disappearance/death and Monty's admiration for him, then his hate of Freddy becomes way more focalized on one single thing.

Bonnie and Freddy were THE duo. The rabbit and the bear, always together. They had matching earrings, Freddy gave Bonnie a signed poster of how they'd be together forever, Freddy's grief of Bonnie no longer being around; it was obvious they were close.

And what if Monty was jealous of that?

In this shot, Freddy is blacked out. Completely erased from the band. Chica and Roxy are still lit up, but we don't actually know how Monty felt about them, if he cared for them at all. But Bonnie is there, looking at Monty. Monty is holding a bass/banjo, and his motif eventually adopts the same stars as Bonnie (especially the glasses and bass, which were probably given to Monty directly)

What if Monty wanted to replace FREDDY, and therefore have the fame (and Bonnie's attention) all to himself? Maybe Monty thought that if he took Freddy's place, Bonnie would look at him like he hung the stars. There's no way Monty could have known that that wouldn't ever happen, because the rabbit and the bear is the dynamic duo. If Freddy disappeared, Bonnie would grief and mourn him. And fate was cruel to instead take away Bonnie, leaving Monty with a spot on the band, but not the spot he wanted.

So he wears the shades and plays the bass, but grows tired of it. What point is there to perform if He isn't there to see it? Why help out Freddy, who was his rival in everything, when he could just sabotage shows and goof off? Why please people who look at him like he's just a replacement, like a murderer who got rid of Bonnie just to squander the chance he was given?

By the time Gregory appears, Monty is just a shadow of his former self and what he wanted to be.

Monty hates Freddy, maybe for one of the reasons I mentioned, maybe for none of them, or maybe for a little bit of everything. We'll probably never know, cause the truth of it all died with Monty.

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Who's your favorite human character?

Oh no

Oh god I've been dreading this question because there are so few human characters in fnaf and I don't actually CARE for most of them and also some of them are TECHNICALLY animatronics/not fully human anymore so I have no clue what's considered a technicality or what's not included at all???

I'm gonna do my best however and separate them by all three categories so here we go!

FAVORITE (STILL) HUMAN CHARACTER Tie between Gregory and Henry Emily

Reasoning: I don't know why but I really enjoy them both as characters (Henry more so was a novel thing cause he only appears in like one game and you don't actually meet him) Gregory is just super neat, I love feral children tropes

FAVORITE (DEBATABLY) HUMAN CHARACTER Michael Afton

Reasoning: I have a huge Afton bias, the Aftons have some of the best story, character development, and all around lore of the entire series (which is a pretty low hurdle honestly considering they're like...basically the main characters lol)

FAVORITE (NOT) HUMAN CHARACTER Charlie Emily

Reasoning: Little girl murdered before her time only to spend the rest of her afterlife trying (in vain) to help the other victims is just too good of a plot point for me. Also novel Charlie is amazing

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Do you prefer the Ruin ending/boss compared to SB and Burntrap?

Holy cow you guys are coming out of the woodwork with these 😭 I keep having to post my answers under the cut cause I dont wanna spoil anyone!

From a narrative standpoint, I liked the Ruin ending more. From a stressful/horror/nostalgia standpoint, I liked the OG ending more. Even though I'm peepaw's biggest hater, it at least made sense that he was there and why he appeared or whatever

now I'm hearing that the Burntrap ending is now noncanon? And there's like, a different true ending and the Blob and Burntrap were retconned? I have no idea, I'm just gonna pretend that everything is still as it was until Steel Wool yells at me and shakes me like a toy

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why did bonnie go to monty golf in the logs? do you have any theories on that?

At this point, I think he must've been lured in some regard. As far as we know, Bonnie wouldn't have a reason to go to Monty Golf during the night. It's not his attraction, he just doesn't have a real reason to be there (unless something happened in the Fazcade that prompted Bonnie to keep walking across the building) But he could have easily just returned to his green room instead of making the trek further across the Pizzaplex.

Depending on what theories you believe in, maybe Monty lured him there to shatter him. Maybe the Mimic/Vanny/Glitchtrap lured him there to frame Monty and shatter him for parts. We just don't have enough information, but personally I believe it was the Mimic.

He's the only one we know in canon to be openly manipulative and aggressive. Maybe he used Monty's voice or something of the sort to lure Bonnie across the Pizzaplex in an effort to get rid of him or scrap him.

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can....can we see Glam!Eclipse...?

This was originally supposed to be a plain black and white sketch

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I disappeared for a while and somehow MISSED the release of Ruin and I- what is going on 😭

Bestie it is SO fucked, like holy cow

But its fun!! And we got a canon Glam Bonnie!

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How would GlamFoxy react to seeing Sun and Moon in their state of decay? He cares so much about them, would he have let them sink so far? and how would he react to Eclipse?

Is this considered spoilers? I can't tell since Ruin is already out and I'm super bad about gauging these things SO I'll answer this under the cut just in case some people dont want to see spoilers or anything close to it!

ANSWER UNDER THE CUT (May contain Spoilers for SB:RUIN)

God...seeing Sun and Moon in their decrepit state in the run-down Daycare definitely. . .hurt. I really liked Sun/Moon because of how unique they were (and Kellen's voice acting is always a treat) so it was rough seeing them so torn and messed up

Even though you were trying to help them at Sun's request, it felt like you were just hurting them more that entire sequence. Turning them into Eclipse was super satisfying, and I was super excited to see them/him (and I was streaming to some friends, and they were super excited as well!)

But anyways, to answer the question;

Foxy would of course, hate to see them in such a state. In my AU, Sun and Moon are separate beings, but his reactions and love to them is fairly equal and fair. If you guys recall, Foxy's cutlass is called Eclipse, so I think its SUPER neat that the canon fusion of Sun/Moon got that name (although it was a no-brainer from a writing standpoint)

I feel in my au, something will happen that will cause Sun and Moon to fuse in some regard and without Foxy there to soothe them as he usually does, it'll be up to the girls to repair them and create Eclipse, who in this case would be named after the item that Foxy loved so dearly