#shivs ending is the saddest to me

[devils-lawboy]

holy shit i will never watch anything like that ever again. oh well, there’s other shows

[fightingdragonswithwho]

best bestie hiiii and happiest marcia monday in the world to u <333 (we manifested her back!!)

i RAN to your inbox because i have to know your thoughts on the latest ep. i thought it was sm more sad than last week 😭

best bestie hii!!! sorry for not getting to this yesterday! i hope you had the most amazing marcia monday and wishing u an even better tabitha tuesday!! <333

regarding the episode, i’m so glad we always run to each other to scream!! i did cry more in the previous episode, but there such a deep sadness to this one, especially with shiv 😭 seeing them actually have a somewhat healthy convo about their feelings made me SOB because look how far they came! i feel like roman will be so hard to watch because he will hit rock bottom so quickly because he looks too “okay” and it will be terrible! for ken to be “winning” in ep 4? yeah, he’s about to crash and i’m not ready, im so scared that the water motif becomes even more real for him 😭but the paper was such a genius writing decision, because he will forever wonder if it was underlined or not 😭 and shiv… baby ): even tho i’m not the biggest fan of the pregnancy arc in other show, i think it does make sense for shiv and it’s been hinted so much but it happened at the saddest possible time 😭 the way she says “you can’t go, not now” to logan and it’s even sadder now … i also never realised how much i liked the angst between her and tom but they’re KILLING me this season, there’s just something so deeply sad about their relationship that always gets me 😭 worried but excited to see where she goes because maybe things will turn around for her (this is me manifesting)

i’ll shut up soon because omg that’s so much text aojdisjdikfid but just wanna add that i somehow became a greg hater ?? 💀 he was my babygirl but i genuinely find myself wanting his scenes to be over now, him being more evil (the scene with kerry was my limit) than funny does not work for me, i hope he doesn’t even get the 20$ from shiv back by the end of this 💀

[dmagedgoods]

Enderal for the fandom ask? (Because I'm sure someone else will ask for WOTR and IWTV)

Enderal

((No Interview with the Vampire yet 😁, but that's such a great choice, aaa, one of my favorite games in the history of ever. <333))

Favorite Male Character Jespar Dal'Varek, my beloved boy. Mercenary (and noble who really doesn't like that fact) and the character with the second-best romance I ever played in my life. I'm definitely drawn to hedonists with a melancholic side. He's much ... softer than Daeran though, if you're wondering, with a similar bitterness underneath but still ... gentle. I should also mention the Father. But how to talk about them at all without spoilers ... Leader of a secret cult who believes that the mind should defeat the body. Highly intelligent, highly mysterious and related to my favorite quest. I could write a whole essay about them, but I realize every word I mention about their personality takes away from the pleasure of discovering them yourself, so I'll stay silent for now. 😁 (Also, they are neither a male character nor a female character but agender.)

Favorite Female Character Natara Dal'Veram. Do I have a weakness for conceited, intelligent women in power? You bet. She's the Truchessa of The Holy Order. Sounds important? Is important! She fights the protagonist on every turn. Once more I can't go too much into detail without giving away plot twists, only that she's devoted and hard working and loathes the main character because they step into a high position without doing much for it (or so she believes).

Least Favorite Character The High Ones and what they stand for. I rarely ever hate the antagonist(s) of a story, this time I did. Also Grandmaster Tealor Arantheal for being a fool and slightly Yuslan Sha'Rim for making a certain decision. (I love-hate him though.)

Favorite Ship The Prophet (player character) and Jespar. The romance is so good. So good. You asked me once if there is an existing character Eneas would fall for. He was my Prophet and fell very hard for Jespar despite him being different from those he's usually interested in. I have to add that I played a very young Eneas to fit the story. Very angry, very lost. He changes over the decades. On the other hand, he will change in the Enderal universe too while growing older, and in similar ways ... Ah, so much to think about always.

Favorite Friendship Very weird answer I would love to explain should you ever play the game: The Prophet (player character) - or well, mine at least - and the Father.

Favorite Quote "The world would be a much better place if everyone could just acknowledge that the only reason we're here is that we want to be happy." (Jespar) "All those “heroes” and self-declared messiahs are no better than everyone else. In the end, we are all selfish, because we always act in accordance to what we think we have to be like." (Jespar) "… I've always considered responsibility and being happy to be contradictory. But actually, that's wrong, it's the exact opposite. In order to be truly content, we need... connection. To a person, to a cause, to anything. If you never find that, you'll never find yourself." (Jespar) "I led them into the light. I alone." (Tealor) Ah dammit, I could transcribe the whole game actually.

Worst Character Death (if any) SPOILERS: All of them. So many dead, so much despair, it hurts to even think of it. How to even pick, they'll follow me forever, this game goes so deep. Rynéus, I will never recover. Calia, she deserved the world and he couldn't save her. Lishari, why did it need to come to this, it broke my heart and his as well.

Saddest Moment It's a very sad game in general. Bittersweet. Heavy on the shoulders. SPOILERS: Rynéus' death after this flicker of hope. He would have adopted him. The ending and the last decision and to see it in all its cruelty.

Favorite Location Ark! I fell in love with the city and its people. Also Whisperwood. The atmosphere is beyond amazing and always makes me shiver.

Bonus, because Enderal needs its songs: I picked Eneas without knowing how well he'd fit into the role of the Prophet. German for those who like to hear the Original.

[seoafin]

when it comes to shiv i’m like in between thinking what happened was a better outcome for her or the shittiest one for her. sorry this is random. but like shiv didn’t intend to free kendall n roman she just did the younger sibiling thing (at least how i interpreted) and realized she couldn’t stand the idea of kendall getting it. when she rlly fucking wanted it. like she wanted it to be her or no one. especially as the only girl in a family full of boys you are never not competing like i so get her. so i think she’d rather tom have it cause it would mean by association she’d have it too. something how the only times she allowed power is through the men in her proximity idk. and i do think this in some sense is better for her cause kendall would’ve been a lose fucking cannon we constantly see him promise his sibilings stuff then rip it away from them. at least when tom is talking to hugo n asking for karolina we get a sense that they’re somehow aligned. especially knowing that hugo is kendalls dog and even tho if she just asked kendall to get rid of hugo he wouldn’t done so in a heartbeat. but that’s the thing she didn’t wanna ask. it just fucjing sucks that it HAD to be tom like i hate his ass. it sucks that the dynamic in her relationship ultimately changed like someone said she’s always gonna have an angry man in her house now. idk if tom yet is this amalgamation of her father that the general public has saddled her with cause he still has to answer to lukas n lukas told her point blank he wanted to fuck shiv n my mans just said sure dude whatver u want no it doesn’t bother me at all!! like i still tom is a pussy but i also know that money corrupts n chnages u so that very well could chnage. which is smt i think succesion banks a lot on the idea of giving u the now and letting u guess what happens in the future. i know i just sent a whole essay so i definitely care about shiv but i am to my core a roman girlie so it is kinda nice not to have a dog in this fight idk!!

SORRY THIS IS LATE I JUST SAW THIS

i actually disagree! i think shiv DID want to free kendall and also roman from the cycle of abuse and she did exactly that. i think the phrase that really sticks to mind is the i love you but i cannot stomach you quote from shiv to kendall. i think the saddest thing about it all is the fact that shiv is in the exact position she spent the entire show trying to avoid: being the wife and giving birth to a baby that will probably continue the cycle of abuse (and i think what hints at this is when roman says that shiv is the TRUE bloodline not kendall because kendall's kids aren't his). i honestly think it's a mix of the fact that she didn't want to give the position up to anyone AND she saw what it had done to the three of them. like i'm not going to say she was being entirely selfless but also i do think she loves kendall and roman. and in the ending you could say she's in a position in closest proximity to power in contrast to kendall and roman but it's not an enviable position. she's a mother and wife and that's all she'll ever be. tom is the man she wanted him to be. the man she tried to shape into. i think in a way it's a self fulfilling prophecy in regards to her and tom. also she was never going to escape unfortunately.

and YEAH i don't like tom i might even hate him but i can't even fault him every single person in this show absolutely sucks balls. Except Gerri. I forgive her crimes. She's so hot. like i can't even blame him for doing everything he could do rise to power. he's no different from kendall shiv or roman. he just didn't have nepo baby power. but yeah i think he and greg are two spineless pussies but so is everyone else LMAO

[oreganosbaby]

The thing that's saddest for me abt Shiv is that she's clearly aimed to be the son that her father wants and she's quite close to that, but she's his daughter, so she'll always be Pinkie to him. In season one, she resents that her father put Ken and Roman above her as successors. Unlike Ken, she has killer instinct and unlike Roman, she's not a desperate sycophant. She thought that if she could just prove she's "The Man For The Job," her father will finally respect her and let her be CEO. It obviously wasn't gonna happen because in the end, Logan always has to win no matter what.

[elcorhamletlive]

Love that you're a Succession person now! And I adore that you're Kendall girl, please if you want to, share your thoughts on the series and the Roys (Tom and Greg included) P.S- love your blog. 🤗

Aw thanks anon!

I'm at the begginning of season 2, so obviously there's still a lot ahead that I don't know about, but generally I've been enjoying it tremendously. It's fun and hilarious at certain points while also making me want to crawl out of my skin with cringe, but the thing that truly surprised me is how much I've come to care for most characters, especially the four Roy sibilings. "It's a satirical comedy about millionaires" is not a wrong description of the show on itself, but it feels incomplete, because it's that and also very much a show that manages to get you emotionally invested in these fucked up people and their damaged relationships and feelings.

At times it feels like watching a greek tragedy, especially with Kendall's arc in season 1, which made me extremely sad. I found myself rooting for him even though it wouldn't really be an objectively good thing for him to win. In realistic terms the only true freedom for Kendall would be walking away like Stewy told him to, because none of them can beat Logan, because at the end of the day they're all aiming for some kind of ending to the dispute - the defeat of their father but also the end of this lifelong game they're playing, and the thing is that it can't end because this is being Logan's child, there's no endgame where the dynamics change, this is it. Like... Even Kendall's desire to destroy his dad is rooted in a desperate wish to win his dad's approval. He wants to beat Logan not because he has a better idea for the future of the company or whatever he tries to tell everyone else, but because beating Logan is, in Kendall's mind, the only way to win his respect. And so his decisiveness is always tinged by a touch of misery that continues to take over, all growing and growing and coming to a halt in the finale when, instead of finally breaking free, he ends up even more trapped by Logan, maybe more than he's ever been. The continuation of that in season 2 has been excruciating to watch because he's so completely broken and he has no one that could help him because he can't even acknowledge his trauma to anyone else.

As far as the other Roys go, I really like Roman and Shiv (I like Connor too, but he's obviously the most underdeveloped). I found myself getting annoyed at Roman at times during season 1 because I was, at the end of the day, rooting for Kendall despite everything I said above (lol), but at the end of the day I couldn't stay angry at him because in many ways he seems like the saddest of them all? He can't even try to defy Logan. All he can do is attempt to fight Kendall for scraps of whatever their dad can offer them that remotely resembles love. He's also the only one of them who has been confirmed to have been physically abused by Logan, and I wonder if he was truly the only one who was on the receiving end of it, because it would explain why he's more submissive than all the others. I'm curious to see if this is expanded in the future. I'm also really curious to know what is the deal with his sexual issues, but this part I'm sure will be discussed at one point, as it's a plot beat that keeps coming up.

Then there's Shiv, who... Oof. I find her so fascinating, because I think she's the closest of all siblings to have some self-awareness of their situation, and her actions pre-events of the show demonstrate that. She was trying to do her own thing! She was actually good at it! Even her marrying Tom is, in my opinion, not the demonstration of fear Logan claimed it was, but a desperate attempt to have some amount of solid love and support. But then Logan pulls her in, and again, it's tragic because on some level she is aware of the trap to hesitate, but ultimately she isn't aware enough to escape. She, too, is tempted by the promise to be the big winner at their father's game, to put her hands on the power he's wielded over them their entire lives, and I'm pretty sure it's all gonna blow up on her face like it did with Kendall's. And I think this season will only make her more interesting to watch.

As for Tom and Greg... This is seems to be a super unpopular opinion on this site but to be completely honest, I'm not as invested in either of them as I am in the siblings! I enjoy their scenes and their bizarre dynamic but their characters don't appeal to me in the same way the Roys do. I've stopped to think about it and, as far as dynamics go, I'm way more interested in seeing Tom interacting with Shiv (I'm fascinated by this mess in particular, and I'd need an entire new post to explain why because this one is already too long and confusing lol) and Greg interacting with Kendall than what they have going on between them. But I think Tom is the most hilarious character in the show by far and I always lose my mind at a random line of his everytime he's on screen. His scenes are already funny and bizarre enough on paper, but something about Matthew Macfadyen's performance takes them to a whole other level. I'm aware his role in the series only grows in the following episodes and, despite him not being one of my favorites, I'm here for it.

[abcdosaka]

im watching succession already finished 3 eps

o i did go out w N today was a lotta fun, we watched encanto. i cried. tbh not as funny as a lot of other disney movies are but issok still really good. ah also during the movie after the scene where the house falls apart and mirabel runs away and the screen fades to black for like 5 seconds, this kid in the theatre said “wait so is it over?” it was so fuckin funny like imagine thats how it ended

but yea succession is so good, totally my type of show as far as writing goes, but its a bit stressful. i think im just stressed tho in general and its not actually the shows fault though it doesnt help. i do like the show. i hope that the writing continues like this cuz the characters are balanced enough that i still care about their problems but also think they’re fairly unlikeable, but one wrong move and they’ll be too unlikeable for me to continue, or too likeable for me to suspend my disbelief. lol i sound like such an asshole about writing there but its trew its trew. arrested development did this really good and this is sooortttaa similar except tone is obviously rly different

anyway i like kendall the most. or maybe least. hes the most interesting character to me anyway. like i kinda feel bad for him but also i agree with his dad in that hes a fuckin idiot but also i think his dad is to blame for that. like he just doesnt do well under pressure and u can tell hes such a fuckin tryhard that its so cringe and sad but at the same time like someone needs to tell him to chill the fuck out and get a hobby or spend time with his family or something. obviously no one will though and thats the saddest part, like he’s totally surrounded by sycophants too but they obviously hate him which is only making it worse.

ik greg is really popular and so is tom and they are ok. greg is cool. tom is ermmm yea fine. roman is eh, shiv is eh as well. marcia interests me like i wanna know her deal. i dont wanna say kendalls ex wife is the best morally but it seems shes reasonably down to earth compared to everyone else but it also seems like someone is gonna make her do something stupid and im gonna be annoyed at her so shes on thin fucking ice ok. thats the price one must pay for being well adjusted when surrounded by dummies, you literally cant make a single mistake

tbh i think the best part is that the writing feels so real yk like real people would say this stuff even the witty jokes