#shiping child characters with adult characters is

[loopingcat]

⚠IMPORTANT ZOOBA BATTLE ROYALE COMMUNITY PLEASE BE AWARE OF THIS PERSON⚠ (DO NOT SEND DEATH THEART RO ANYONE MENTION IN HERE PLEASE)

Waring:Incest,Gore,Death theart,Blood, Nsfw art

So Mouse bean and epic hoola Aka known as Greta peterson. Is a problematic Zooba content creator who post mostly about Zooba content but they had done many problematic things. And I will be going through a list of what she done. 1. Saying the n slur.

so 1 years ago Greta posted this post in her community tabs

And in the comment section of that post, there was one person telling her to give credit to the og artists of the art she posted. And you want know How greta repile to that comment💀

You guess it if you said she said the N slur💀 And before you guys start saying something like "Oh she might be black, you don't know what her skin color is😐" No Greta did a face reveal and she was white. (I do have a pic of her face but I want respect her boundaries even tho she is a shitty person, but she still have boundaries so I'm gonna respect that still) 2.Harassing her hater and sending death theart Greta cannot take any criticisms when it come to hate, Like Greta everyone have opinion you cannot' control they opinion even if their opinions offended you greta, you still cannot change it, And the fact Greta is literally 12 YEAR OLDS she should know how to handle hate, Even most 10 years old know better then this😐

3. Posted a nsfw art on her community tabs. Greta had actually posted child P@rn on her community tabs, the worse part is that, a lot of her sub are literally minor which make this shit 10x worse.

Greta also post more nsfw art in her community tabs. Like she posted a one with mei mei from turning red, which is disgusting afs because Mei Mei is A MINIOR, LITERALLY A GOD DAMN MINIOR :/ 4. Stealing video/Base without credit and copying someone oc greta stole A lot of base and video for example. She stole a animation from A animator go by the user "Catty and rosie" A famous animator known for they adopt me animation meme. Now coping, Greta Had copy A person kajiu paradise oc here is proof

You can tell a lot of similarity If you compared Greta piñata oc with the og piñata oc. But She never gave credit to the og artist. Is okay to be inspired but, please still give credit to the person your inspire by because you don't know if they still want you to credit of not. 5. P@dohille and inc@st ships Greta had shipped two problematic ships. Which is Ruby x Rodolph and Buddy x Suzy. These two ships are incest and one of them is also pedohille. I wish I have screen shoot of her zooba ship list to show you proof Of her shiping a problematic ships but she change her channel description where there no longer proof of her shipping a problematic ships. If anyone had screen shot I would love you to tell me if so. She also ships her oc with a character from zooba called louie. And most of you guys might be thinking "oh but there nothing wrong with self ship" Yes ik there is nothing wrong with shipping your oc with a character. But the problem is that her OC IS A FREAKING 9 YEARS OLD WHILE THE CHARACTER SHE SHIPPED HER OC WITH IS A LITERAL ADULT💀😭🙏 6. Never add any warning to her video A lot of Greta video Contain Blood or gore but Greta never added any warning to her video when she add any triggering things in her video. She can trigger anyone with most of her video and as soon as someone called her out for a warning, she will insult the person, Greta honestly never care for her viewers safety and health which honestly disappointed me due tot the fact she 12 year wrong, so she should know what she doing is wrong Honestly hate how greta got away with this for a years now :/ That all I got about her but I will Give any update about her. If anything happened but yeah please be aware of the. Also if you want know more about her drama here is two video about her to know more or understand more about Greta drama

[bluu3berry]

for context

I don't like it when people age up frisk just for shiping them with an already adult character.

But I'm fine with aging them up for story purposes, in AUs frisk isn't the same. If the characters aged together with their own story and own life I'm fine with that

Example? Xtale, I'm fine with how they put frisk, they have a genuine story not just for shiping, and muffets was a child along side them.

Other examples? Most Frans. Most Frans are aging up only frisk for the ship and what not. changing them to a her not for lore just because they fucking can.

Also. No. Frisk isn't and will never be a damn self insert of the player, how do we discover their name? Oh wowie! They become their own damn person at pacifist. They're not a self insert.

[theyanderespecialist]

Are your requests open?

YES, but doing them all (As I have requested on, wattpad, archive, YouTube, Tumblr, and various other sites) takes a bit of time to get A LOT of them done (As I have a full-time job, take care of my elderly mother, make as much time for my partner, have such bad mental health, currently seasonal and typical depression, etc) so do not be shocked if I take a butt load of time. Also, it can be moved up if it easier to do and I am excited to do it (Aka hyperfictiated on the character/fandom)

BUT HERE ARE SOME RULES

1: No characters under 18 (there are some bending to this rule, such is like if they character is like physically 17 and been alive decades or longer Italy from Hetalia he was depciated to be like in a school but is 100 years old)

2: NO CHARACTERS THAT ARE over 18 BUT LOOK LIKE A CHILD WE DO NOT DO THAT SHOTA OR LOLITA POO AND SAY "Well they ARE over 18" NO IF THEY LOOK LEGIT LIKE A CHILD AND NOT JUST SHORT FRICK OFF

3: NO CHARACTERS THAT ARE OVER 18 and ARE OVER 18 But have the MENTAL CAPACITY OF A CHILD (THEY CANNO CONSENT IF THEY HAVE THE MIND OF A CHILD AND IF THEY ACT LIKE A CHILD EWWW) (not kink shaming if age play, but I mean like all the time and not in an age play way)

4: No reader or listener as animals (Things like monsters and very MAYBE Pokemon might be allowed) or minors or looking like minors or mentally act and feel like a minor JUST NO

5: NO YANDERE ANIMALS/ANIMALSFROM REAL LIFE (I honestly cannot believe I had to make this a rule because someone would not stop asking for wolf yandere x dog listener (like the fuck) the wolf was based off a real wolf video)

Side note: Monster-fricking (Werewolf, spider lady, naga etc, sentient creatures like Pokemon (Who can talk and are mentally aware and such and Can GIVE VERBAL HUMAN CONSENT) These are ONLY FINE If the monster is sentient and can give consent if they can't HELL NO (also THEY HAVE TO BE ADULTS)

Side Note: I DO NOT DO A LOT OF NSFW ANYMORE BUT THIS ALSO IS RULES FOR SFW REQUESTS

6: Robot shiping with human is fine as well (Again follow rules above as well) and ROBOTS OR ANIMATRONICS MUST BE SENTIENT (so for example NO GHOST CHILDREN LIKE IN FNAF) SENTIENT WITH AI More than likely :D

7: NO POSITIVE RASCIST, HOMOPHOIBIC, TRANSPHOBIC, OR ANY HATEFUL REQUESTS

(It can be stuff that does talk on more serious topic but does NOT Support HATEFULL NESS OF ANYONE And DOES NOT GLAMORIZES IT SEXUALIZES IT!

THEY ARE PEOPLE TOO!!!!

For example of what is okay: Yandere Partner supporting Trans Partner When They Come Out

Yandere Gets Revenge on (Insert a type of hateful person here) for calling their (Insert any here) darling them a slur (I will not use the slurs)

just how a yandere would defend and support their partner regardless of what they are!

8: I stopped taking incest requests as well (I sometimes will still do them if they follow the rules above but INCEST IS NEVER OKAY I Just write them within rules to deal with the trauma I have of incestual rape I had as a child FOR YEARS writing it in fiction is very relaxing but it is NEVER OKAY IN REAL LIFE)

And I think that about covers it all

oh wait!

9: Certain fandoms that are specifically targeted at just kids or are consumed by just kids or have a toxic community like with a lot of PEDOS I will just say no to because I am not marking my content to possible predators and my content is not made for children who could come across it.

10: Also if a request makes me feel uncomfy I will shut it down and if I do not know that fandom or character well enough I will refuse cause got to much on my plate as is!

[threadsun]

So idk if I’m correct but I think proshipping is like pairing two characters who are either related or one of them is a minor.

-jda here-

pro shipers,,, shippers????? Get hate because their ships involve something controversial or idk usually I just see them shipping adults with minors and not in like 15-17, usually around the ages from 0-14 child x some adult character that clearly is around the ages of 20-50. And also shiping characters that are either going from like cousins to straight up siblings, sorta like Dipper x Mabel I think (the ones from gravity falls) or stuff like Umbrella (a 9 year old child) x Beowulf (a man around like 40 years old idk) so yeah—

Again, idk if I’m right,,, there might be more but tbh that’s the only thing I’ve seen

Yeah, that's definitely where it started at least. Some people will apply it to things like "you ship the good guy with the bad guy, which is bad" or "you like yanderes and toxic relationships"

Like I personally find incest and paedophilic shipping/fics distasteful and if I were the supreme godruler of the universe who controlled everything then no one would want to write that stuff, but crucially I think the world would suck if I (or anyone else, for that matter) was the supreme godruler of the universe who controlled everything.

But also like... if someone's horny for kids and their options are:

a) read underage fic

b) engage in consensual ageplay with an adult partner

c) repress their desires until they eventually snap and take it out on a real child

Then yeah, I'd much rather option a or b to option c. And some people seem to think there's an option d where if you shame people for it enough and they hate themselves enough then the desires will go away. But that eventually ends up back at option c. It's the Catholic line of thinking which is part of how the church ended up with so many paedophilia issues (along with other structural issues, of course).

[peeppaw14]

Heyya!! You can call me Ollie or Oliver! This blog is for reports and...

Headcanons for characters and you x character relationship Headcanons (NO COM OR DARK SHIPING OR NSWF )

Moodborads and stimbords ( some stimbords will go up on my tiktok so if you dont want that massage me)

Emoji combos for theriotypes,kins otherkin and fictionkin, ships, names.

Music playlist for characters, theriotypes, or kin types,ships, just for you.

WHAT I DO FOR THESE AND HOW TO ASK FOR THEM

1. For the headcanons I will explain what they do, how the act, lgbt ect. For relationship ones I will do how they act with you what they do to comfort you. I will not do!! NSFW or abusive relationship types ect. NSFW and abusive relationships and child x adult things apply to all of these. If you ask for these you can ask for one more little thing that I do. :) just tell me

2. For moodbords ask me for characters,ect and then give me a theme like color, aesthetic, other characters and more. You can have more than one theme to. Nothing unsafe so no blood or gore!! Some littles are here! If you aks for this you cant ask for anything else

3. Emoji combos so give me something and I'll give emotions that fit it best. I won't do proship com ship or dark ship stuff. Of you ask for this you can ask for something else.

4. Music Playlist. Same thing with the others just give me a theme. It can have cus words but no really you know songs

REQUESTS ARE OPEN!!!

Personal info

Name: Ollie Oliver

Age: teen

Theriotype: squirrel

Fictionkin types: noodle, jinx and Vi, mai, ect

Otherkin type: alien vampire

Ty for reading

[chrisrambles]

Mm, such a great day to remember that Lydia is a child!

[daeliariddle]

In defense of SessRin.

"The SessRin is pedophilia."

“They are father and daughter. He was her protector. "

"But the girls got married young, they already received marriage proposals at the age of 13."

“But in Japanese folklore, the yokai took the girls and later married them. It is part of their culture. "

Can we stop tagging the SessRin on all these things? Because these things do not help the couple, nor the terrible antis arguments that speak of manipulation, of how Sesshoumaru marries the "girl he knew and raised", and that "he waited for her to grow up to make her her wife ”. Because they turn out to be like the pro arguments, in the end they become a euphemism for what we criticize.

Let's leave behind the antis arguments that contradict themselves, that if they are only a fraternal or parental relationship, and then say that there is grooming, because he woos her with kimonos, the cd-drama and other hints of how couple A will develop FUTURE.

As proshippers that we are, we must also leave behind the arguments about the Japanese culture, because we reduce the ship, we forget about Sesshomaru and Rin as individual beings.

The SessRin is much more than any argument, for or against it. It is not the relationship of a human girl devoted and given to everything a daiyokai says; Antis, stop staining the relationship that way. Here, Lolita does not apply. It's not the relationship of a daiyokai who must raise a human girl to learn how to be a parent, either. The SessRin is nothing they write.

It is just the story of two completely different beings who met in their worst circumstances. Mortally wounded, marginalized by her people; and that despite everything, they had a gesture of empathy and compassion for the other despite the stigmata, hatred and prejudice.

Try to give food, clean wounds. Insist on helping. Ask a how you were. Look with genuine interest. Smile.

The SessRin is just two people who wanted to accompany each other, in the most disinterested way there is. She is the girl who wants to always be with the only person who had more consideration for her, in her way, and she is the monster who learned to see the good things in humans, in the most innocent way of her.

Let's stop dirtying their relationship with the fact that "she would do everything he told her to", because he would never do something against her will, wasn't their disinterest in each other clear? They are not father and daughter, they are not brothers, he is not an “adult cajoling a girl”, they are just two companions who were only a few months together, and each one will go their own way until she wants to be with him again. In love or not, he will seek a way for her to heal her wounds as well, as he has done.

And if they want to be together, what stops them?

We must stop reading ourselves as the worst face of Ned Flanders, do you, antis, do not see much fiction apart from Inuyasha / Hanyo No Yashahime? We are used to novels, anime / manga, movies, series where they deal with forbidden loves, immoral ones: Adultery, age difference, teacher / student, love triangles, stepbrothers, incest, boss / employee, humanoxser of hundreds of years. Why are they so upset about the SessRin when, ironically, it's the relationship where the character with authority never forces her henchman to anything she wants? It's like they don't really know the pairing, and it shows because they only criticize SessRin.

The SessRin is not shipped for whatever reasons they give, it is shipped because of the relationship and the way of being of each one, which makes them related. Don't you shipe a crack couple just because you imagine their relationship? It's easier than you think, people shipe because they want to shipe and that's it.

And it is incredible that, Sunrise despite showing what you criticize and want to avoid (the relationship of Tamano and Homura) you put back the SessRin, which is the least toxic ship in Inuyasha / Hanyo No Yashahime. The obsession.

That resentment for the ship is not healthy, it makes them hypocrites. Let people ship at ease. And enough with the argument that real life is wrong and what we think if it were a case happened as is, because it is ridiculous. There is no point of comparison in fictional characters with real people. I can't imagine if Inuyasha happened in Ancient Egypt, surely the characters and fans will be treated as incestuous for something that was common there, despite the fact that no one currently shares that belief. Learn to separate your taste from you, as a person.

So proSessRin, let the antis write whatever they want. And this I will put it strikingly:

  ⚠⚠⚠  Do, don't do, or stop doing anything Sesshomaru for Rin's well-being, the antis ALWAYS, I repeat ALWAYS, will see it as a way to manipulate and access her.

The SessRin had to be given as Rin was a child, like it or not, in order to see how Sesshoumaru was curious about the innocence and naivety of humans, in their purest form. And at the same time, that you, antis, realize this. Because if Rin had been an age more in line with Kagome's, then you would have misjudged their pure relationship. We would mistakenly think that Sesshomaru fell in love with Rin because he got horny with her if Rin was a teenager. ⚠⚠⚠

If I need to write something else, I will leave it in comments, that I always forget to write something.

Enjoy that the SessRin is canon, it is enough to say at convenience what is canon and what is not, and measure the same yardstick if you just have another ship where "they have filler scenes", because in the end they act like what they criticize.

And yes, I blocked some because they are still foolish in not understanding the ship. They are not worth it that way. 

I don't care about the cultural. The cultural thing is that we must stop thinking that it is correct, we must think that Sesshoumaru is not human if he wants, and he had to adapt to concepts that are alien to him, and get away from Rin because of the affection (platonic and innocent) that he had it. Why are antis so foolish to see love romantically or sexually, or to see it as father and daughter? They are basic.

And no, anti. I did not write this for you to answer me, because I know that you are going to see everything wrong with your mentality full of poop. So do not waste yourself in offending me because I put a brake on you. You, harassing and attacking other people for a ship are trash. I'm sorry. Yes, I used your favorite hashtags, I will not remove them. I am in my right. You can move on from me and now. Just as I block them. Or is freedom of speech just for you, to harass us? Don't be unfair.

And remember: let the antis burn like Homura.

[mixedsnape]

I get why people dont like 'antis' in fandoms because like. No one likes to be judges and much like every other discourse stance there are ppl who go a little far but like. At the core of it, i cant see why its an issue.

Like, there are somethings thay are genuinely wack, even if youre not straight up shipping a 10 year old with a 25 year old, yknow? Like, aging up child characters to ship with adults? Thays kind of weird. Thay would requite you to think of the child character as a viable love interest for an adult (and i have seen people who only age up to get ppl off their backs abt shiping adults and kids.) Or like, shipping students with proffesors, even if its after they graduate, seems wack. Like, yeah, great hes 19 now and hes an adult but hes still not like, a fully developed person and the person yout shipping him with has been in a position of authority over him for years. Like, theres a reason why teachers who date their students, even after they graduate, get fired. Its considered unproffesional and borderline predatory.

[tonya-the-chicken]

Ok, someone (@gucciasswitch ) dared me to do whole list and who am I to resist

1. What was your first OTP? 

Probably Royai. FullMetal Alchemist was my first anime I watched on TV and I immediately fell in love with relationships between Riza and Roy. I used to fantasize about them all the time. I still do love them.

Also I remember I wanted Zuko to end up with Katara

2. What is your current OTP?

Definitely EnjiRei. I think about them and their family all the time. That's just what I do when I ship - I maladaptive daydream. What I like about them is ice and fire aesthetics is how fucked up everything is but Rei still somehow can forgive him or at least try to? He somehow remember her favourite things? I want to know more about them. Like, how exactly Enji found her? What happened to Touya?

I also like BakuCamie, ShinTsuyu, ZenNezu, still Royai, Huwumi, Natsuo x his girlfriend, maybe MomoIida, Jeankasa, Sabigiuy, Levihan, Miritama, Levifar

3. Do you have any OT3/OT+ ships? What are your favorites?

Mmmmmm, probably no. Though, I once saw OchaTodoDeku and it looks wholesome

4. What is/are your favorite trope(s)?

Tropes, tropes... I like what is called "unsexy erotica" by some author on ao3. Like, when characters are processing their feelings and it's the end it's not really sexy though it still somehow amazes me. It's not really a trope though, I saw only one fanfic with that.

I love redemption arcs made well, bad people turning good and having the love no one ever gave them before (duh)

5. What is/are your least favorite trope(s)?

Definitely soulmates au, it makes me cringe somehow. Or is it not a trope? Whatever

6. Do you have a certain kind of ship you’re more attracted to?

I often ship canon ships. Also for whatever reason I enjoy different-sex couples more often. Also if I see a person with fire powers I'll connect the dots them with someone with water/ice, it's just math... Jk... Unless

7. Are most of your ships “pure” or “problematic”?

Actually, they are mostly pure. But also I ship EnjiRei and someone gonna send me anon hate for this, ehhh

8. Who is the most shippable person you can think of?

Objectively it will be the main character of any series cause they have the most interactions. For me personally it's Enji cause I love him right now and I like to explore his relationship with everyone, like, I can occasionally ship him with Hawks, All Might, Burnin', Rei and some OCs

9. Are there any fandoms you don’t have any ships for?

The ones I am not in, duh. Actually, I am not really active shipper... In one punch man I don't ship anyone? But it's not like I am really in fandom khkhkh

10. Do characters have to have canon interactions for you to ship them?

Yeah, if it's not ship with OC (obviously). There can be exceptions like hetalia cause characters are basically countries

11. What makes a great ship in your own opinion?

Logic and some shared life philosophy/goal/struggles. Or just deep feeling and will to understand one another. Dunno

12. What drives you away from a ship?

If I don't understand why, basically. Also any mentor x student relationships are very big no-no for me. I don't like this power dynamic when one person is doomed to see another as they are above them. And also incest is nah

13. Is there anything you ship but refuse to interact with the community for?

Probably EnjiRei? I am kinda scared cause I don't want people to treat me badly based on that, ya know? Actually, I am trying to be more open about it cause fuck society, I am tired of your shit

14. Has a fanbase ever made you ship or not ship something? Why?

I stopped shipping eruri cause I got very fed up with fans being nasty, I guess. Like, they always tried to prove that it is canon and I just got tried and switched to levihan?.. Also I probably started to ship huwumi because of fanbase. I just never thought of the ship. But the most important deed is that fanbase brought me Dabi is Touya theory. Thank you, strangers on youtube

15. Do you like/participate in ship wars? Why or why not?

Define "ship war"? I sometimes enjoy observing people arguing but mostly I am annoyed when someone shit on character or ship. So sometimes I guess I can write something like "bitch can you stop" but usually I try to stay out of it. I guess I am pro-shiping and anti anti most of the time

16. Are there any ships you just can’t/don’t understand? What are they?

Ereri, Dekumight, RoyEd... Do you see the pattern? I highly dislike mentor x student ships. Also incest ships are no-no even if everyone is an adult for a simple reason - I actually have brothers and this shit creeps me out

17. Are there any popular ships that you just don’t like? What are they?

Ereri. It's the only banned tag I have (edit: not anymore, I am trying to ban enji antis). Also probably RoyEd but FMA fandom is not really active or I am not really into it

18. What is your favorite unpopular ship?

EnjiRei........

19. Do you prefer fluff, angst, or smut for your ships? 

It depends. I mostly don't like smut just for smut but if there's some feelings and processing of them, ya know... Angst goes well with everything though I recently found out I kinda dislike seeing violence and suffering in fanart... I actually like comedy more than pure fluff, I am kinda Mr Nighteye and believe in power of humor

20. Do you prefer bigger fanbases or smaller ones?

Bigger ones cause bigger fanbase = more content to CONSUME

21. Have you ever received hate for a ship you liked? 

The most close thing to hate I received was this: https://tonya-the-chicken.tumblr.com/post/189156146100/you-ship-enjirei-and-call-urself-a-feminist

Nothing more probably...

22. Do you have any ships that you ship, but would never want to see as canon?

I think no. I am quite ok with any of my ships becoming canon

23. Have you ever had a ship become canon, but you didn’t like how it was portrayed?

Nah... Though it still can happen since many of my fandoms have actively running mangas/animes

24. What is your favorite canon ship?

Define "canon ship"? Probably Royai

25. What are your favorite ships from a dead fandom?

Sweden x Ukraine from Hetalia. I used to ship ot hard XD I had a whole blog dedicated to it! I just don't know dead fandoms, ok

26. What are your favorite shipping scenes?

Nothing in particular but when a characters does something stupid/risk his life to save/help their love interest. Like, when Zenitsu wet to spiders forest to save Nezuko... Or when Jean saved Mikasa from titan.

27. What are your views on reader x canon ships?

You do you, I guess, but my opinion is NO

28. What is your best shipping advice?

Have fun yourself and don't ruin it for others. You are free to block anyone and anything, it doesn't make you a bad person. And also try to think critically about views shared on social networks, like, not everything in true.

I'll also add here about media affecting reality: aS A fuTuRE PSyChoLoGisT I can say that YES, THEY DO AFFECT EACH OTHER. But often Internet can't get all the nuances and ends up censoring everything. In university we had an assignment where we analyzed modern media. And TV news collected around 30 media risks meaning that materials can affect (usually child's) brain in negative way. What now, are we supposed to not show violence and war? "Destroy everything that can traumatize a child" is a bad solution because of many reasons. Kids are not supposed to read 18+ content, kids are not supposed to spend time on Internet without parental control, kids are not supposed to watch a lot of stuff without an adult's presence. But they do and it's not fault of people who create 18+ / "problematic" content.

29. Do you like OCs (Original Characters)?

Yes, I do, if it's not self-insert OC, you know? I have some myself but usually not for shipping

30. What are some of your favorite shipping blogs?

What is shipping blog?.. Ok, I guess that people who post about ship or what??? Eh...

I'll recommend you to just look up blogs I follow, whatever, I'm tired

[gey-beans]

TW! Mentions of abuse and Sexual assult

I was SA by my own councilor when I was 9. When I finally moved, I got advice from an at the time family friend. I was around 12 at that time and had started using fandom to cope. I don't remember what fandom it was but I remember liking these 2 characters. One was an adult and the other was a child.

Well. I started shipping them. And I ended up accidentally telling her about it when rambling. She told me it was unhealthy and I was ruining myself more and encouraging others to do those things to me. So I kept it a secret.

I was never really and 'anti' to say, because I didn't really have social media until 17. But I did think that it was wrong and disgusting and that I was awful for enjoying it.

When I was 15 I was SA again. Around that time I discovered noncon and how much that helped me. Also around that time I got a therapist. She was amazing. And she's still my therapist to this day! I never brought it up to her though.

When I was 17 I was SA another time. I couldn't stand it. I slipped away into fandom (MHA) and started shiping 'problematic' ships just to help me cope. And I told my therapist. And she said that it was fine, and even a healthy way to cope.

Since then I have been openly proship. Obviously there was a lot I skipped over but I was mostly focusing on the anti/proship aspect of it.

ex-antis: what was the moment/person/media/ship that helped ya change yr veiws and switch to being proship?

[pandoraspuxis]

I’d like to address the following: Stop reducing Jalec to labels such as racism, incest or abuse. First of all, just because 1 of every 100 jalec shippers criticizes Magnus for his ethnicity doesn’t mean all shippers do. Second of all, almost all jalec shippers ship malec, so no one criticises EVER at Magnus. Third: most jalec shippers ship jalec as a mid-ship, i.e. a ship that should have happened BEFORE their respective endgames so to solve issues and close cycles. 

Fourth: it isn’t incest. Yes, a Herondale married a Lightwood in the 1800s, but the connecting genes are more deluded than anything. Yes, Maryse and Robert took Jace in but they NEVER treated Jace as their own son (bookwise and showwise), Jace was taken like a child they took in, was he loved? Yes. Did Jace see them as family? No. Jace doesn’t understand the concept of family much until he faces it through Clary, and showwise, once Alec yells at him to tell him they are his family. Jace said to Clary “they are like my brother and sister”. LIKE not an absolute. And it is his way of telling Clary Izzy and I are nothing and I’m single ;). One Alec’s side it is the fucking same, it isn’t until that moment that he switches the chip. He never saw Jace as a brother, his guilt wasn’t because he wa his brother it was because a) he was a man and b) he was his parabatai and best friend. He felt the guilt that comes with falling in love with someone of your own gender, as those who have experience this know. IT isn’t an easy moment, you find yourself not fitting what the overall community tells you it’s normal (for a boy to like girls, for a girl to like boys). His feelings for Jace are a sexuality struggle, not a familiar one.

Yes, they’re calling each other brothers now. Now that they’ve moved on Jace has moved on with the idea of his father as his only family. He’s assumed the Lightwoods are the closest he’s had to a family, and he’s finally seeing it now. But remember one thing: when two people are together, the family of your loved one is also your family. And Alec is calling Jace brother because he’s finally moving on (and because his mother, Maryse, who took him in, acted as if she had turned her back on him), moving on what he feels for Jace which isn’t yet erased regardless of Magnus (first episode, parabatai lost, Malec date to point out minor points where his feelings for Jace were addressed). 

That doesn’t mean they completely see each other as siblings. And more importnatly: it doesn’t erase that there was a moment where they didn’t. Where Alec who first saw Jace as a kid, had already made hearteyes at him. It was then when he developed his crush for him. He fell in love later, but he already liked Jace as more than a friend when he was 12 and Jace 11 (which let me remind you, that’s not childhood but the beginning of teenage for boys and when feelings begin to develop). 

Just because Alec is with Magnus, Jace wo’t stop being Alec’s first love. Just because they’ve moved on CANONLY with their feelings (apparently, at least, since EVERYONE minimally logical accepts Alec still has feelings for Jace) doesn’t erase whath appened before. And Jalec shippers, WE ship Jalec:

Platonically: Always, never going to stop. They love each other in a deeper way than romantic love or familiar love. They’re parabatai. That will never cease, even in death, they’ll be ruined at the lose of the other. No matter how much you butthurts try to erase this.

Romantically: Season 1 and before. And in all those settings where fics are done, where rps are done, the romantic feelings were reciprocate and thus they actually developed a relationship. Or those aus in which Magnus and Alec break up (like it’s going to happen because their break up is canon) and Alec solves his feelings for Jace and they are however briefly and try out because AUs are to be experienced and experimented

Lastly, but not least important: STOP BRINGING INCEST INTO THE POOL WHEN YOU SHIP WINCEST WHO IS 100% INCEST AND 100% BIOLOGICAL INCEST. Unlike These two, the Winchester ARE and SEE each other as siblings as family. Ship what you want, but stop telling people to stop shiping what YOU don’t approve for idiotic reasons (or well, for morals that can’t separate fiction from reality or the idea that absolutely everything done in fantasy romanticizes it)

Also, remember what I?m saying here: 80% of Malec shippers ship JAlec. And 80% of Jalec shippers ship Malec. Why? Because Alec’s feelings matter. What Alec felt for Jace matters, and the idea of a world where he didn’t have to struggle with rejection and never had to feel not enough or not good until Magnus appears (and even after Magnus appers because he’s immortal and has been wth even more people than Jace has) matters. Alec and his feelings for Jace matter. And all the possilbities for his different ways of achieving happiness matter

Also, really, it isn’t racism. It isn’t choosing the white over the asian, it is choosing Alec’s first choice as a possibility. Maybe SOME do it out of racism. But surely NOT ALL. 

Long Live Jalec. Long Live Malec. Long Live Clace. Long live CANON AND NON-CANON RELATIONSHIPS THAT RESPECT CHARACTERS TRAITS. If you want to attack shippers, go to those that ship Alec with females erasing his sexuality. Or those that place Magnus asexual erasing his bisexuality. Or those that rule63!Magnus and still ship her with Alec. 

Also, about abuse. Yes, book Jalec can be seen as abusive. As well as Malec, Clace, Sizzy, and basically every relationship there, since abuse is part of the teen atmosphere of all those relationships in the books. But not showwise. And most of Jalec shippers are show shippers. Because the show and Dom and Matt made it that wy. Because Dom and Matt’s chemistry is extremely good and undeniable, and for once, TWO MALE ACTORS AND TWO MALE CHARACTERS CAN BE SHIPPED BECAUSE THEIR SEXUALITIES MATCH (Jace might identify as straight, but he’s just as bisexual as Magnus is and no matter how much you fight it, it is the truth, and ending with Clary doesn’t erase that possiblity, no straight man on earth mentions homoerotism like he does to Simon after the biting, no straight man on earth feels offended because he’s not seen like the prettiest by another male, and no straight man looks at Simon Lewis the way he does). FOR YEARS I’VE SEEN CLEAR STRAIGHT CHARACTERS BEING SHIPPED JUST BECAUSE OF THE CHEMISTRY OF THEIR ACTORS, AND THERE WAS NO WAY OF JUSTIFYING IT SO PEOPLE KEPT CREATING AND MAKING UP HEADCANONS, BUT JALEC HAS ALL THE CHANCES TO HAVE EVER HAPPENED IF ONLY CC WASN’T SO ANTI-LGBTA (”but she has gay ships and ...”Yes, she does, and she had them out of presence the moment they got together, we never saw Magnus and Alec, it was all secret escapes, and when they kissed publically she had them leaving on vacation so to have them out, and on the new books i’m seeing the exact same thing except maybe with a bit more fanservice so showing them more not to mention all those rumors that say she’s planning on killing Alec). 

And im sorry for that last paragraph, it looks messy, but I can’t avoid my passive-aggressiveness towards CC. Even if I am indifferent towards her, I’ll never forget the abusive elements nor the fact that she chose to NOT explore same sex parabatai but is doing it with a straight one. 

AGAIN: If you don’t ship Jalec is fine. If you don’t ship Malec is fine (weird, but fine). what isn’t fine is telling people to not ship things that are respectful in the way they ship it. Yes, again, some aren’t. Some Malec shippers are really disrespectful towards any other shipper (such as Clace shippers when it doesn’t affect Malec). Some Jalec shippers are really disrespectful towards Malec ones. But not all. 

Shipwars begin with you take the voice of those that want to fight. Most shippers don’t want shipwars. Most shippers want respect and peace and most shippers don’t have a ship, they have an ARMADA. I have one. I ship Malec, I ship Jalec, I ship Clace, I basically ship everything on that show romantically (specifically talking about the show now) but Alec and Clary and Izzy and Jace (and well, a few more, like Luke and Clary or Magnus and Clary, I can’t ship those for many many reasons but hey if you do *shrugs* i don’t mind). 

So, really, let people ship what they want. You don’t like Jalec? Then don’t check the tag. Blacklist it, ignore it. Like everyone does. This place is filled with teenagers and adults alike, and sometimes, Adults behave more like teenagers than the teens do. So, seriously: you don’t like it, you don’t check it. That’s all.

Stop attacking. Stop insulting. Stop calling shippers sick for shipping something you don’t approve.

P.S. If you’re going to comment on how it is incest, again, seriously, check the character’s point of view and not YOURS, that i the most important aspect, check the character’s point of view. And if you still think it is incest, well, let me tell you one thing: incest isn’t as bad as it is painted, it’s just a morality topic, a topic that was brought as negative in the fight of classes as it was what high classes used to keep their money just like celibacy in church appeared only to protect the church’s patrimony and not as part of any religious call.