#sebaciel shippers will b fine with this me thinks

[ciels-gay-cousin]

TLDR; Are there any other recovering Sebaciel shippers getting back into the show with a fresh perspective?

I started watching the show when I was 13, & made it an annoyingly big part of my personality how much I shipped Sebaciel. Printing out manga panels & pasting it on every journal I had level obsessed.

Getting back into the fandom, I'm just looking at all these new tumblr blogs with the same flaming texts I used to send as a kid & honestly its funny. I used to lie about my age & defend the hell out of it too!! I see ya!!

No, I know there are plenty of Sebaciel shippers & for completely justified reasons. For me, it's just sort of grown into a bittersweet acknowledgement instead of actually wanting them to be together?

I'm 21, getting back into the show & manga, & every time they interact with each other in the suggestive ways they do, all i can think about is how Ciel's literally a child. I can't stop thinking about how I was at his age & if I put myself in his shoes, there's a towering million year old demon over me in the most pull & tug power dynamic ever.

Kuroshitsuji throughout it's entirety has always sexualized Ciel in some way or another. Literally consistently & we all know it's because of Yana's background w shota porn. Besides the blatant fact that she just likes to draw him ... suggestively at times, the sexualization of Ciel & Sebastian's relationship does what the show's intended to do. Portraying Ciel as a hopeless child who will be devoured by the demon.

This is how the show will end, no matter what. The tension on screen is showing the audience the complexity of their relationship, & how it does go deeper than master & butler in a myriad of ways. Going the sexualization route, just puts the point across faster than the storytelling alone.

It just kind of a weird dynamic now. Being completely conscious of what Ciel has been put through, what he will go through, etc., of course I don't want this kid to get fucked over by the demon! But it's gonna happen! It's the same for the sexualization of their relationship. Yana's completely aware of what she's doing & will never have their relationship become more than what it is. The tease of the tension is what she counts on, for multiple reasons.

I view their relationship more as a spectacle for something much bigger than them, ei. the evil in humanity etc. etc. if not anything else to make me feel better lol. I could dissect it into a million little words which I'm sure I'll do eventually but anyway

So, although I don't ship them anymore I am... quite literally neutral. No one can deny what's on screen, it's there, we just take what it is in different ways. From a symbolic point of view, it's the deepest.

[pecaminoso-exe]

Yeah antis directly target people because a) then mutuals know who to block and b) this isn‘t a taste thing. If it were just a unconventional ship like idk William x Ronald or some shit (Y’know between two consenting adults) yeah okay „ship what you like, don‘t attack others for it“ rules apply. But y‘all are shipping a pedophillic ship and with how much it’s present in the fandom people/minors who like black butler are influenced to think that an adult x a child is ok. Media affects reality.

..oh my, it’s sad to see that this is what I come back to. I forgot all about this ask, dear anon! I had to try and find where this came from, and also try and figure out what you meant in general. Alright, I'll assume this was on my post "..and it got personal(?)" that was posted.. over two months ago? Yes, I think so. Alright on to what you were telling me, I'm not good with English so I'll need to alter the text to something I'll understand. Like, were you using voice to text or..? Anyways! Let's take this piece by piece, yes?

"Yes, antis directly target sebaciel shippers because this allows mutuals to know who to block, and(but??) the issue isn't whether the ship is your taste or not (if you ship it or not?)."

So, if I target someone from literally any other ship I can justify it by saying, 'so you're aware who to block!'? Am I understanding this right? Am I? Fun fact: Some of your mutuals can consist of pro shippers, sebaciel shippers, or people who really just don't care what someone ships (is this the same as pro shippers?). I love how your only 'reason' to attacking is 'sO muTuALs kNoW wHO tO bLOcK'. The lack of reason proves that there really is no reason to target a shipper that's literally just enjoying a ship. Also, when did I say anything about 'taste'? I'm reading over the post and the one or two comments I posted and nowhere do I say that this has to do with taste (But to all my sebaciel shippers- you have impeccable taste *chef kiss*). I said if you don't ship it fine, but I never said: "If it isn't your taste, okay, don't ship it".

"If it were just an unconventional ship like William x Ronald- a ship between two consenting adults- then yeah the 'ship what you like and don't attack others for it' rules apply." What was the use of the word 'unconventional'? According to Google, unconventional means not based on or conforming to what is generally done or believed. Bizzare. Weird. Eccentric. Strange. Are you really calling a ship this word? Is it because it's a ship between two male shinigami? Oh, I'm sorry, did you mean 'conventional'? Ah, but no because whatever falls under the 'norm' isn't judged, now is it? So let's say you did mean unconventional. I find that word unnecessary in general. Kind of like me pointing out the use of that word. Unnecessary as hell. Let's get rid of that then.

"If it were just a ship between two consenting adults- like William x Ronald- then yeah the 'ship what you like and don't attack others for it' rule applies." Two consenting adults. Okay, this I can see your point to. But uh, bold of you to assume that when someone says sebaciel we automatically link it to the Ciel we were introduced to or even the small child we were shown a few chapters ago in the manga (I'll talk about this point more in the next segment). In fanart, fanfiction, roleplays, whatever, Ciel is aged up. And if he isn't I've seen cute, chaste, stuff. But obviously, there are the members that keep Ciel as he is with smut included. I understand why this is an issue for some, but at the end of the day, it's a fucking anime/manga. Now if it were some type of show where actors- like real humans- were in it and someone was shipping a literal child with an adult (keyword: literal(seeing how much you antis love to say 'literally')) well then it isn't okay. But because these would be real humans involved. Black Butler doesn't. Unless you count the voice actors- but those are consenting adults so.. ‘ship what you like and don’t attack others for it’ ;)

"But you're shipping a pedophilic ship and with how much it's in the fandom, fans (some including minors) are influenced to think that shipping an adult and a child is okay." Okay. Let's go back to the point I said I'd continue talking about. "But uh, bold of you to assume that when someone says sebaciel we automatically link it to the Ciel we were introduced to or even the small child we were shown a few chapters ago in the manga." If we were to condone that shipping a child and an adult were okay, then we'd begin to draw the eleven-year-old we saw in those chapters. Or, you know, take a REAL child and a REAL adult, push them together and say ‘cute!! <3′ (*blergh*) But we don't. And in you saying that the ship being around in the fandom affects minors into thinking it's okay is like saying "a child who has gay friends will become gay" or "if I like to eat spicy food then you will too just because I do". Like there is no logic to this. Whatsoever. The person who ships something will ship it, the person who doesn't will not.

"Media affects reality." Exactly. Media. Seeing on the media real world affecting topics like LGBTQ+, racism, the pandemic, etc does affect reality. But why? Because it's a topic we live in. It's people who we see, who are around us, who aren't around us but still affect us. But Kuroshitsuji is a pure work of fiction. Fiction. Fiction does not affect reality. It's as simple as that, dear anon.

_____________________________________________________________ If you're asking why it took a month to reply to your 'ask', anon, it's because I've been busy and I'm sure you were as well when you wrote this, seeing how it took me a month to try and figure out what the shit this was saying. If you think targeting someone is justifiable, you're the problem. Especially if they've done literally nothing to you.

But if this isn't what you meant, well then- please learn how to write first and then ask me again. ^^ 'Cause you know, I'm not good with English so I have to alter things.