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[elspethc22]

Sciles breakup S5

So... I ended up down a rabbit hole of really old comments and arguments over on Archive of our Own yesterday over the Sciles breakup in season 5A. Basically, someone posted a story back when it first aired that was three sentences (stiles apologising to Scott and Scott saying ok) and then detailed in the author’s note how Stiles was completely in the wrong in this situation and Scott has nothing to apologise for. Wow, the comment section was INSANE!!! like people just went off on one another over this and who was right and who was wrong - some were in full agreement with the author, some absolutely on the other side and then those in the middle who thought both boys were in the wrong in different ways. 

So, of course, I spent the rest of the day and night thinking about this and what my opinion is. Here it is, for anyone who might care!

More than one of the comments (from the og author and others) were about how the whole series of events leading up to the fight were ooc, like Stiles covering up a murder (I disagree with this because a - not a murder and b - he didn’t cover it up per se, he left yes, but he called the police, Parrish just happened to get to the body first and Stiles didn’t know this so for all he knew Donovan could have survived and left) and not telling Scott, and that Stiles never actually corrects Scott or tells him exactly what happened (apparently him saying ‘I had no choice’ to Scott isn’t him claiming self-defence which I mean, obviously in court he’d need to say the words but in this context it kinda is) so of course Scott just goes with Theo’s version of events (which honestly doesn’t make sense to me, like Scott would just automatically believe Theo that Stiles was capable of cold blooded murder??).

Anyway!! I was thinking about the whole it was ooc for Stiles and they didn’t like the writing for S5 and a lot of stuff didn’t make sense. And that got me thinking about a lot of things in that season that were ooc, or more I guess like extreme versions of their characters? Like Scott trusting Theo so easily and thinking the worst in Stiles - and then I was thinking about their talk a couple episodes later when they go to get Kira and they say they wish they had stayed 5 more minutes and one of them says that Theo didn’t want them to. So... after ALL that... here’s my theory, for what it’s worth....

So, we all know that the Dread Doctor’s got to Kira right, and messed with her and triggered the darker side of her fox? But what if they got to ALL of them and messed with their minds? We know they can change people’s memories, make people forget them - hell, Valack wrote a book to try and remember them then apparently went off the rails, drilled a hole in his own head and got locked up at Eichen House. 

Think about it - Stiles knows what he did was self-defence, even if he wanted Donovan dead in that moment. He had a massive bite mark from being attacked and Donovan had made threats against his dad in public so logically he should have known people would believe him, even with his normal overthinking and anxiety. And then when Theo ‘saves him’ from Josh he agrees to cover that up and go along with Theo when he’s spent all season so far not trusting him? 

Scott’s asthmas starts up again and NO ONE thinks its weird! Scott knows his asthma disappeared when he got bitten, and that werewolves can’t get sick etc (it also cured Erica’s epilepsy) but then something triggers and attack, Theo is right there with an inhaler and suddenly he’s relying on it all the time. We know the inhaler had wolfsbane, but something triggered the original need for it. And for some reason, no one ever questioned why he suddenly needed the inhaler again which is not right. Scott never questions it, his mum, Lydia, no one!

Malia hiding everything about looking for her mum from everyone? I mean, she’s never normally shy about her willingness to hurt others if she needs to, or her survival instincts. So it does also surprise me that she would go to such lengths to hide the fact she’s still looking for her birth mother from everyone, even Stiles who never looked at her like a monster. Obviously she might have thought they’d try to stop her, but it’s weird for her to have got so secretive all of a sudden and also her sudden trust of Theo, she’s not a very trusting sort.

Even Liam - I know they blamed the supermoon on his rage induced attack on Scott, but even with that I think it was a little out of the blue for him to turn on Scott so suddenly but again, if the Dread Doctor’s were messing with him that would explain why he was so much more susceptible to the supermoon and then Theo there making suggestions about saving Hayden even when she was clearly too far gone. 

Then there’s Theo - no one questions how he always manages to find the right answer (except Stiles) like the book. How he just happened to turn up at the same time as the Doctors. Like everyone else, after some initial hesitation, just accepts him and the information he brings them. but then also, I wonder - it’s implied that he was always evil (he helped kill his sister to get her heart) but was he actually born a sociopath? Or was that the Dread Doctor’s too? If his sister was the only one who loved him growing up, and the only one he loved, he would have been open to manipulation. Also this could explain why when he comes back in season 6 he’s eventually more caring and is even eventually able to take someone’s pain - they credit his time in ‘hell’ and his sister’s spirit but what if it was also just finally being away from the dread doctors after so long?

Anyway, many of you may disagree with me, but there’s my long-winded theory of why season 5 was so messed up and ultimately why our amazing Sciles had that horrible breakup scene and why it was so heartbreaking.

(I also chose to ignore all the other arguments in the comments about which boy is a better friend and a better character. I love Stiles, he is my favourite but they both have faults, they both have their moments of not being great friends to each other but they’re also teenagers, and human! no one is a perfect friend)

[elspethc22]

yes. I was thinking this recently as well. I love the Stiles/Lydia storyline in season 6, I think it played out really well, but Scott and Stiles were the heart of this show and after everything they went through it should have been Scott bringing him back. They could have still brought Stydia together without her being the one to bring him back - but it may also have been the 'Banshee' of it all.

Also, this is just my opinion but Sciles always! Really would love them to be canon!

Ok I have heard canon (idk if it counts as a head canon) but it was Scott’s memories that brought back Stiles.

Ok first off, Lydia only started talking to stiles in the last few years and straight up ignored him before that. Not only that, she went from Jackson to Aiden with no thought to Stiles. And now somehow it’s her memories that were strong enough to bring him back??

Stiles was Malia’s anchor. She was there to help him after the Nogitsune and they had a good bond. She had a lot of good memories of him and he was the first person she connected to after becoming human again. Her memories hold have been more powerful.

But I think that Scott’s memories should have been the ones to bring him back. Scott and Stiles have known each other since THEY WERE 4 YEARS OLD. They have been through pretty much everything together. Parent deaths, divorces, all of their school years, werewolves, supernatural everything. Scott almost got lost in his own head from all of the memories rushing back in.

Stiles may have been in love with Lydia, but he was willing to go down in flames with Scott. Scott was willing to do anything to get him back, both from the Nogitsune and from the Wild Hunt. Their bond is way stronger than Lydia and Stiles.

[dylan-obrienxo]

"Some of us are human"

[elspethc22]

Teen Wolf - Heart Monitor

Rewatching season 1 of Teen Wolf, and just at the scene in 'Heart Monitor' where Stiles is throwing lacrosse balls at Scott while he's got his hands are taped up.

Comments in that sort of anti-Stiles fanfic I mentioned in an earlier post today mentioned this scene and were talking about how Stiles is abusive to Scott and use this scene to prove it (and maybe one where they physically fight, I can't remember) and now that I'm rewatching it, it's interesting. Like, Stiles is very clearly using this to get out his anger at Scott for what happened to his dad but also if he wasn't trying to help Scott figure out the whole anger/werewolf thing so he didn't have to rely on Derek he would just be ignoring Scott while he dealt with his anger. This was not his first course of action for being angry at Scott. He only comes up with this when he knows Scott needs help and anger is a trigger.

Also later when he frames Scott for the car key thing, Stiles straight up tells him that his idea is going to cause him physical pain and Scott still goes with him cause he knows he's trying to help.

And Stiles straight up admits it again later that it was partly because he was angry with Scott. The way he goes about it might be weird, but can we also admit that boys are still very much, not conditioned, but likely to try and resolve their anger through some sort of violence?

Can we also remember that Derek breaks Scott's hand in one of his attempts to 'help' Scott? And honestly Derek's motives in season 1 are not actually about helping Scott, at least Stiles' are.

Wow... so still have residual feels about that really old fanfic and the comments haha!!

Also Scott saying he'd rather be dead then not around Allison again - the teen angst!!!! It's so brilliant and also just hilarious!

And that baby wolf howl of Scott's... oh man. I mean he gets much better but that first try is just so cute and funny. Love Derek's exasperation with his first try and then his impressed and annoyed face at the second one. Also Stiles being so excited is always hilarious.