#saying this because susie should still have her dog when shes in chica

[spaghettiandart]

WAIT. WAIT. WAIT. A FNAF DAEMON AU WOULD GO INSANELY HARD.

(Rambling in tags)

[partnersatfazbear]

Midnight Motorist - An Essay

I promised this awhile ago, but my thoughts on Midnight Motorist... This mini-game has literally kept me awake for hours on two separate occasions trying to figure it out, lol! So, reading the Updated Freddy Files *suggests, not confirms* that Toy Chica: The High School Years may be how William lured each child. I made notes on this, of course.

Although I listed who was used as a stand in for each, it has no bearing on the actual child killed.

The first, represented by Foxy, is already dead. I assumed this was a stand in for Norman/CC.

Second, represented by Freddy, was lured away with promises to help with homework.

Third, represented by Wolf. Run over their dog. We all know this is referring to Susie/Chica.

Fourth, represented by Toy Bonnie. It was suggested that their house be set on fire and then Chica uses her body to put out the flames. Best I could settle for this one was perhaps pulling a fire alarm at the restaraunt, or something similar.

Fifth, Funtime Foxy. Live hostages. Presumably luring a child away with promises that their friend / missing friend is in the back room.

Sixth, the Puppet. This one is the most interesting and why I'm including it here. Chica says "I'll come over to their house later, maybe break through a window, or set the house on fire and smoke them out [IIRC, I am paraphrasing a little]" The window, in my honest opinion, has to refer to Midnight Motorist. Scott has made a point of adding things in a following game to clarify the game before (starting at least since Sister Location). With the other one referencing Susie and Fruity Maze, I think this theory holds up, although it doesn't really help solve Midnight Motorist I think it's very important to note. (William has as much of an obsession with fire as Henry, huh?)

Lastly, there is Pigpatch. It's implied William would have knocked out a child and told them he rescued them after being "kidnapped". I really like this one.

The number of victims adds up to the number of children: BV, Freddy, Foxy, Bonnie, Chica, Golden Freddy, and Puppet.

Now that that's out of the way, I feel this heavily implies the footprints outside the window in MM are William's. The feet match the Glitchtrap suit, which most of us assume is a prototype for Spring Bonnie. Not only that, but obviously the springlock suits wouldn't work in the rain. Second, if you take some logic to it and see Charlotte as the first victim (no suit, no hiding the body, developing MO) then this killing would be the start of his MO--kind of an "in-between" point where he's evolving. Now, as to who the people in the house are...

In my fic, I kept the general idea that it was William as mustard man (thank you MatPat, this is my fav name for our mysterious fellow). Mostly because despite the evidence listed there is still a ton of evidence supporting it:

Later That Night - this is the name of the game file for MM.

Rain - Due to the in-game rain and this title its heavily implied to be just after Charlotte's death.

Grey Text - Michael is the only one to have the grey text and has similarities to Chair Person. (Note: I think Matpat did point out the color is slightly different, but it's still grey.)

Purple Car - William is the only one seen with a Purple Car back in one of the mini-games (FNAF 2, IIRC). To further support this, the car is also seen as an easter egg in the Dreadbear DLC of Help Wanted (with purple headlights). This is probably the most damning evidence that Mustard Man is William, in my opinion... but then how do the footprints make sense?

In my fic, I explained it away as footprints from the evening before (it was the best I could muster at the time) but this is super weak :V So this kind of brings us to alternative theories. If it is William, the supporting evidence is... good evidence of that. So, the other options are:

A Child Victim's Family - This is my second favorite theory because I think it could possibly work for, say, TOYSNHK [The One You Should Not Have Killed, hereby pronounced Toy-Shnuck] (who I made Cassidy). The problem with this is the child's gender is referred to as male. And there's a huge debate on Cassidy being female in game lore and TOYSNHK/GF being male. It IS a gender neutral name and wouldn't be the first time Scott changed a gender (see: Puppet), BUT it's pretty weak since all the info we have on TOYSNHK is recent. It could be another child that isn't Susie, though, but why show some random child as opposed to an important one? PizzaSim's games all revolve around specifics like Puppet (the first to die overall) and Susie (the first to die of the main five).

Henry is Mustard Man - This is the theory my wife likes. I can sort of see it and I even considered it at one point, but there isn't much evidence to go on. Why is the car purple is the biggest wrench for me. I also have problems with Mustard Man's attitude ("This is MY house", "He'll be sorry") Even if Henry was torn up about Charlotte, I can't see him treating his kids this way. This would also heavily imply the missing window kid to be Sammy, which hasn't been referenced in the game lore at all. He was barely mentioned in the novel trilogy, even. This also makes Gray Text either Aunt Jen or Henry's wife. There's just not enough to support this, in my opinion.

UPDATE 5/28/21 - Please see this post analyzing Fazbear Fright’s story “What We Found” for a more detailed look at what I’m about to explain that supports the Henry theory: Also from the books, CC / Norman is now referred to as Evan.

For this to work, we must assume Henry is an alcoholic after Charlotte’s death. I think the “later that night” evidence becomes somewhat irrelevant, because if this was the night of Charlotte’s death it wouldn’t really make sense. Part of me wondered if it took place after FNAF 2′s Springtrap cutscene, but the footprints don’t match. It has to be Spring Bonnie or Glitchtrap. Also, Evan and Elizabeth have also died by this point because neither are seen in the mini-game in this theory. You also must assume, based on the story evidence, that Henry married / stayed with Mrs. Afton after William either “died” or they divorced--they had to have been together for an x amount of time as for Mrs. Afton to be living with Henry but also the fact that Mrs. Afton kept Michael and the purple car. Henry using William’s car wouldn’t be unheard of if Mrs. Afton kept the car and the house, I just don’t feel Henry would use it unless he had been using the vehicle awhile. This also explains the Bonnie-esque footprints outside since William would want to come get / visit his kid he’s [most likely] no longer allowed to see. He may even be taking Michael back to the FNAF 4 house (implying that the house we see in MM is Henry’s). Speaking of, if we assume William’s intentions are [likely] bad, he’s probably taking Michael back to experiment with the Funtime-Nightmares, if you believe this theory. I think this theory is probably true considering the random grave (which, in this context has no answer except a Twisted animatronic aka a Nightmare) AND because the blueprints in Sister Location SHOW the Nightmares on the display during Funtime Freddy’s repair, implying they are real and not imagined. This is also assumed to be punishment for Michael killing Evan. I think Michael goes WITH William because of his tumultuous relationship with a now mentally ill and drunkard Henry. Henry probably knows that William killed Charlotte and a common theme in some works is a parent seeing their child (or a murderer) in a child aka Michael reminds Henry of William, so he neglects him (which in itself wouldn’t be out of place for Henry, since he already wasn’t a very attentive parent).

The main issue with this theory is that it sort of assumes that CC was Michael and not Evan. I don’t think that’s the case, though.

While we're on this version, I also want to discuss evidence for the MM driver being drunk. Not only are you driving on the opposite side of traffic, the Files book explicitly states "crashing" into the secret road for the mini-game. Not that Henry couldn't be drunk, especially if he just found Charlotte dead, but... for me personally it seems a stretch. And I already mentioned the car.

William's Father - This is an interesting idea, but the foot prints kind of rule it out. At least there's an explanation for the car, though, right? Still, it doesn't explain the foot prints unless you assume maybe his father was more alike Afton than we thought. But then why bother showing us background on our killer so late with no pay off? I easily dismiss this theory.

A new theory, at least one I haven't seen posed yet:

Vanny - That's right. Vanny. What if she survived/lived? Some leaks even suggest she may be related to the Aftons. Mustard Man's color is similar to Princess Quest's heroine. It explains the footprints, but doesn't explain the car. This would make for a nice foreshadowing of Vanny, IMO, but it’s weak at best.

You know when Matpat discusses "that one puzzle peice that we're missing"? That's this entire mess of a mini-game. Don't get me wrong, the music is bawlin and it's fun to talk about, otherwise I wouldn't write about it, but it is undoubtedly FRUSTRATING.

What are your opinions?

I also wanted to point out some other interesting things from the Files book I haven't seen discussed: There is confirmation of two sets of gold suits. Not only is there the FNAF 2 phone call, but the text specifies between Spring Bonnie/Springtrap and Fredbear/Golden Freddy. IE: FNAF 4 suit is Springtrap but the one from Stage 01 is Spring Bonnie. This could be oversight, but... I don't think it is. I'm sure most of the fandom does ASSUME this anyway, but I felt it was worth noting. (In my fic, they are the same suit, but the second sets are upgraded after the original failures).

The poster behind Scraptrap. Nothing really interesting here, but there is an image of a building with two gargoyle (lion?) statues behind him. Presumably this would be a police station or Fazbear Fright. I just thought it was cool since I never noticed this in the image. My initial thought was this might be a reference to the hospital in Man in 1280, but that’s a stretch.

Jr's. This is the random building in Midnight Motorist in which Green Man says "gtfo" to our Mustard Man. I should mention I feel that is good evidence to it being William or Henry, depending what the building is. We can 100% say it is NOT a bar (in my fic, that's what I used, even though it doesn't make sense. I don't see a drunk person driving to a second bar so close to their home when they could have gone there initially, BUT then I am a home-drinker when I do drink, so I don't know the night life). The Files refer to it as simply "a restaraunt". Whether this IS a FNAF location (also referred to as restaraunts) or just some random eatery, it's something to contemplate. I am in the camp that it isn't FNAF 2, at least.

I have some other things from Fazbear Frights' Blackbird I wanna discuss, too, but I'll wait until the book is out to help you all avoid spoilers.

Now, this is all just my thoughts on it. Please don't take anything too seriously (as Scott says don't rack your brain on this, it's not worth it). I just think these are some points that haven't been discussed before.

Also, if you wanna read my theory on why Scraptrap is partly the Golden Freddy suit, I have that theory here.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk? <-- is that a dated reference? Probably.

[ronnie-the-babbit]

FNAF Discussion

I have nothing better to do than look through FNAF lore/theory tags to see what ppl think and see if anything strikes my memory about my canon

And I've seen a lot of ppl speculate that the Toy Chica cutscenes in UCN are descriptions of how each child was killed (ex. The obvious parallel of saying someone ran over their dog and that being how Susie was lured to her death by William).

So let's talk about it? Not much to discuss, I just wanna think about it.

So, first things first, Foxy/Fritz is already dead before we hear the first plan. We know Susie was actually killed first, so these aren't in any chronological order. But what does the lack of explanation mean? Are we supposed to speculate?

Freddy/Gabriel was told that Chica* needed help with her homework. I imagine it'd be a little odd for William Afton (either as himself or as Springtrap/Springbonnie) to offer to tutor Gabriel or ask Gabriel to tutor his own kid(s). Perhaps it's just school related? Gabriel got lured on his way home from school, maybe told he could do his homework here but still have fun? Who knows?

Unknown Wolf is the one told that his dog got run over. I assume this is a previously unknown character because that story belongs to Chica/Susie herself.

Bonnie/Jeremy is told that Chica's house is on fire (and that it is no longer on fire because she threw herself on the flames to put them out.) Did Jeremy's house burn down? Obviously, if it did, it was Arson, but that feels really reckless for William. He also lured Chica to the restaurant, so I'm assuming he did the same with every child. Perhaps Jeremy went to the restaurant and, when he wanted to leave, was told he couldn't go home because his house was on fire?

Toy Foxy was told that Chica* had several live hostages, but let them go because she loved him. Perhaps Toy Foxy (not Mangle, Mangle is Susie's dog) is a substitute for classic Foxy/Fritz's backstory? Some people do theorize that the older Afton child, the one wearing the Foxy mask that killed the Crying Child/Michael is Fritz. It would make sense. It would explain why the older brother is never seen again. An older child, especially an older sibling, would probably feel compassion and empathy and do what someone said if hostages were at stake (whether they were the other kids or just a lie). This might not have been the first thing William did/said to try and lure Fritz (regardless of who he was), but it's probably what worked.

The Puppet/Charlie was asked to just come over later (with breaking and entering working if they said no). This makes a lot of sense. Charlie is Henry's daughter and it'd make sense that the two business partners would have "playdates" for their kids and know where they both live. Charlie was canonically killed outside the restaurant, so I'm assuming Chica's house symbolizes the restaurant. (Which might mean that William scared Jeremy with a potential fire inside the building, but idk.)

Pigpatch got straight up kidnapped? Who knows. It's mentioned that the kidnapping didn't turn out. Perhaps there are more kids Afton tried to kidnap that got away? Or is that Cassidy? Kidnapped at her own birthday party, killed, and shoved into the Golden Freddy suit?

So.

Moral of the story, here's what I think. Consider this a theory.

Chica was killed first, that's canon. William took her dog and killed it, becoming Mangle (Toy Foxy first?). William lured Susie with the promise of her dog still being alive. He lured her to the restaurant and killed her.

Then, in no particular order, Gabriel was tutoring someone or getting tutoring at the restaurant (perhaps it hosted after school activities or was the meet up place for such things, like meeting at a McDonald's or Starbucks). William lured him away from whatever he was doing when he was alone and killed him.

Jeremy was either lured to the restaurant because he was told his house was on fire or he was in the restaurant and there was a "fire" (perhaps real, perhaps staged, perhaps all a lie and never even seen). William then took him where he was "safe" from the flames and killed him.

Fritz was lured to the restaurant because he was told (by William in the Springbonnie suit) that someone was holding kids hostage (or that they were stuck) and he needed to go save them. Whether it was all a lie or none of the kids had been killed yet and were actually being held hostage, it's unclear. William got him into the restaurant and killed him.

Cassidy was kidnapped after school. No clever ruse, just kidnapped. Whether William forced her to have her birthday there post kidnapping (regardless of whether or not it was her birthday) or if she'd had it there previously and he remembered her, again, is unclear. Either way, after her party, William took her in back and killed her.

Charlie was invited to the restaurant by William, seeing as he and Henry are both business partners. However, during her time there, William puts on the Springbonnie costume and lures her outside to kill her so the security puppet couldn't see her. (Security puppet was created because at least one child had already died before this, the timeline right here is confusing though, since usually the Puppet is thought of being the first since it gives life to the animatronics).

So those aren't in order.

But perhaps there's a reason Foxy is first and his death isn't discussed in the cutscenes.

Perhaps William killed one other child before all this, maybe not even intentionally. No suit or anything, just a dead or missing child tied to the restaurant. THAT'S why Security Puppet was created. Then the Puppet becomes possessed by Charlie, who is then sentient for the other 5 murders and gives them life.

Chica is still the first of the main 5, the first killed and purposefully put in the suits. It's not a stretch for her to still be considered first if what I just said is true. Maybe she isn't first, but she had no communication with Charlie or the other theoretical child and just assumed she was first.

I agree with MatPat that it would be much more sensible and satisfying if Cassidy had been first since she's "the one you [William] should not have killed" and there's no real explanation as to why that is. However, I think it might make sense if she were last (not counting Baby or Bellora, who I will talk about in a different post). All the others (canonical others, we aren't talking about my mystery first child) can move and enact revenge and at least might've had some hope or happiness from whatever lies William fed them before he killed them. Cassidy was kidnapped, not lured like the others, and ended up in a body she couldn't even control. That's too far.

Anyway, that's what I think about the Toy Chica cutscenes being an allusion to the deaths of the children.