#sam defending himself to the government like ‘i can think of no better punishment for zemo than us annoying him every day :)’

[thebatmqn]

im just OBSESSED with the concept of sam/bucky/sharon constantly visiting zemo at the raft to, like, get information and help from him when they’re dealing with problems that he would know to deal with, like in a Silence of the Lambs type of way. and everyone around them is constantly like 👀 because they know zemo as the guy who manipulated the avengers into destroying themselves so obviously rumors start flying about how Captain America and his friends’ interrogation tactics must be real intense for them to be able to get info out of zemo so easily. the reality is that zemo eventually gave up on trying his little “master manipulator” act on them because sambuckysharon pestered him often enough that they wore him down without him even realizing it

[artist-issues]

Because I have a friend who’s defending John Walker as a “good man” who’s using the shield “just like Steve used it” and laughing at Sam for “crying like the shield’s never got blood on it before.”

W H A T

Let me just highlight how excellent the characterization of John Walker is—because it’s the exact opposite of what Captain America should be.

Captain America is meant to be a good man, not a perfect soldier. A perfect soldier follows orders and the government controlling him accepts the responsibility for the consequences of carrying out those orders. A perfect soldier is a means to an end, like the Winter Soldier assassin was. 

A good man does what is right first, follows orders second. A good man accepts responsibility for the consequences of doing what he believes is right. A good man does not allow the ends to justify the means. 

Which do you think Walker was? 

Steve Rogers’ first act as the superhero Captain America was to disobey direct orders and sneak behind enemy lines in Azzano. Then, even after returning a camp full of POWs, clearly giving himself an opportunity to justify his means, he instead “would like to surrender myself for disciplinary action.” Steve Rogers’ modern day acts as the superhero Captain America were to confront Loki as the leader of the newly formed Avengers without orders to do so from Nick Fury, and in WS, to go on the run from S.H.I.E.L.D., trusting the last warnings of a dying man to hide information, instead of following orders to turn that information over. His most controversial act as Captain America was to reject signing the Sokovia Accords because he believed that the document “shifted the blame” for any unfortunate consequences heroic actions might have, and because he believed that it “forfeited our right to choose.” Another painful act as Captain America was to defend his best friend against Tony Stark, ultimately disabling his friend and voluntarily giving up the shield and mantle of Captain America to become a fugitive. What do these choices have in common? He disobeyed orders to do what he believed was right, and then accepted responsibility for his actions.  Not a perfect soldier. A good man.

What does John Walker do as “Captain America?” He follows orders, like hacking into Redwing to get information without asking the Falcon, an Avenger to whom the world owes it’s respect, because it’s “government property.” In the courtroom he claims that the things he did overseas, which he clearly feels guilty about, and indeed, his entire career, are the product of the government that gave him orders. When he is confronted by Bucky and Sam after killing a Flagsmasher, he instantly defends his actions by claiming the young man killed Lemar—which not only fails to justify killing a man who was at his mercy, but is also a flat-out lie. When the court punishing him carries out their mandate, he claims “you created me. All I’ve ever done is follow your orders.” Another lie, because he was meant to capture and bring Flagsmashers to justice. As he beats up Bucky Barnes and prepares to murder him in the same way he killed the Flagsmasher, he asks “Why are you making me do this?” Why are you making me do this. In all cases, John Walker is making the decisions himself, and though he may believe them to be right, he does not accept responsibility for them and instead shifts any blame for actions he cannot defend onto the government giving him orders.

A perfect soldier. Not a good man. 

When he finally does what is right near the end of the show, it is as an afterthought, and he carries on an attitude of self-importance and taking orders from someone else. 

Steve was Captain America because he did what was right no matter what literally anybody else thought, and whether the consequences were good or bad, he accepted the responsibility for them. Sam will be a good Captain America because he not only believes everyone can do better, in spite of their flaws, but because he recognizes that the only difference between an insane god and a misguided teenager is what one does with the power they’re given; it is still their responsibility.  John Walker is not Captain America because he does not accept responsibility for his actions, and would rather “do the job” than “do what’s right.”

[writeinmysoul]

I feel the need to state that this isn’t an attack on tony but an attack on extreme tony stans and y’all reasonings.

Disclaimer before y’all dumbasses get in my comments and say stupid shit about my opinions on tony. I genuinely like tony stark. He’s a really great hero and he’s flawed but good. And he tries. He tries so hard. But he’s still so flawed, but that’s part of why he’s such a good hero, because sometimes, he’s the most relatable and human out of most of them, and y’all assholes seem too forget that.

I just realized how fucking much I hate tony stans like. It took me a second to realize why tho since I actually do like tony stark. But I realize, I’m really just extreme anti tony Stan narratives. At least half the time, people act like tony was never wrong and could do no wrong. Even tho part of the reason people even like him is because of his fuck ups and want to do better or right. Because he was real and had his struggles and it’s so easy to sympathize with him and such. And yet, tony stans will still sit there and act like he has literally never done any wrong. He’s done a shit ton of wrong in his life, which is part of the reason he’s constantly wanting to do better and work harder and help more people. Like it’s literally a whole fucking part of what makes him who he fucking is. Then you’ll sit there and act like Ultron wasn’t 100% his fault. I’m so fucking sick of hearing the whole, “no one listened to him. He said what was coming and no one cared. Blah. Blah. Fucking blah.” Bitch, I can’t listen to someone who ain’t fucking talking to me. He deliberately created Ultron behind his team’s back when he hadn’t even talked to them about what was to come until he royally fucked up after the fact. But everyone pretends that the reason they weren’t ready for thanos is because no one listened to him. Shut tf up. Like.

And the whole accords thing. Like. It’s straight bullshit. And tony was on his shit when he thought they were a good idea. And like, a huge motivating factor for it is his guilt, cause from iron man 1-3, it is extremely fucking unlikely he would’ve fucking signed it then. Probably not even after the first avengers. And who’s to really say if he would’ve signed it if it wasn’t for the fucking mom that confronted him. And like, i understand his intentions in both age of Ultron and I’m civil war. And his intentions were good and I get it. But like, you still massively fucked up. And what pisses me off about him in civil war is that, they don’t need to be held accountable for the battle of New York cause that was strictly the government’s fault. No one else’s. Age of Ultron? Strictly Tony’s and partially Bruce’s fucking fault. So why does the whole team need to be punished for him not talking to his fucking team? Civil war? Both Steve and Tony’s cause neither of them would sit the fuck down and actually fucking compromise. Steve was too fucking stubborn and tony was too fucking blinded by arrogance and guilt and naïveté. “Do it now or it’ll be done to us later.” That shit. wow. Like, bro, it’s already being fucking done to you. You have no real other options. Sign or stop. That’s not a real choice bro. Wtf. And in what world do you think that’s a good argument to sign?nah. Fuck you. For a genius, you’re dumb asf. Like. And what really pisses me off is the fact that like, we still know he’s still going to blatantly fucking ignore most of the rules. You got peter on your side right, but you know he doesn’t want to tell his aunt who he is, so you clearly must’ve not told him all the accords would’ve said if he still fought. Cause the accords would’ve wanted his identity too. So we know that when the time came, Tony would push to let peter keep his identity secret when they tried to force peter to identify himself. And we know the government would do it cause they did it in the defenders and agents of shield. Right. So tony was gonna ignore that rule for peter or he was gonna force peter to reveal himself which is fucked on both ends.

Then, he ignored the accords when he went to Steve in Siberia and wanted it off record so he wouldn’t have to be held accountable like the others would’ve if they came back. So fuck out of here. And we know, tony doesn’t follow fucking rules. The only people he was willing to listen to half the time was pepper and Steve. And that wasn’t always either. He was sure as hell not going to follow every rule laid out even tho he’s the reason it got as far as it did. And what really really pisses me off, and I really didn’t think about this til now, is the fact that like, he wouldn’t trust his own fucking suits in the hands of the government. But he’s willing to trust his teammates’ lives and missions in the hands of the government? Really? Gonna trust Bruce’s life in the hands of secretary Ross who has been wanting to experiment on Bruce and get his hands on him? Wanna trust your teammates’ lives in the hands of the people who repeatedly lie to you and have their own agendas that they will no doubt invoke onto the team? Man. Like, fuck the team, they’re not the only people who are affected by this. You’re affecting hundreds if not more, heroes fucking lives just because you’re fucking feeling guilty for your own fucking creation even tho you’re not gonna follow the rules you fucking signed.

And what pisses me off about most of these tony stans that all wanna fucking get behind the accords is, y’all call team cap fans dumbasses and shit. But like, you’re the ones stupid enough to trust a government that has proven themselves faulty in every fucking mcu movie. And you know goddamn well that if they had a president such as trump and his cabinet, how fucking fucked every single one of them would be. Especially once Sam took over the mantle as captain America. So fucking tell me again why you’re dumb enough to fucking trust the accords? Fuck y’all. That shit ain’t going to do anything but more harm than good. And when people refuse to sign and refuse to fight, where tf will you be when there’s no more heroes. Fucking dead. Which is why they’ll fucking fight even if they don’t sign. Which then, they’re risking both their lives and their freedoms for your dumbasses. Fuck you. There’s a lot more I could say. But I’m tired of typing on my phone.

Sidenote, Steve Rogers may be my fave, but he’s not why I made this post. At least, not the sole reason, part of why was an “anti Steve” tagged post that was saying “you’re either team iron man or team dumbass.” And I’ve made a lot of posts like this before, even without factoring in Steve, but it irritates me when people act like Steve was the only fuck up. And i see some dumbass posts about why Steves team was bad or whatever. And some of the arguments, esp any single one includes Bucky are so beyond idiocy. I can rant about Steve’s stupid ass decisions too. Lying to tony about his parents? Really Steve? Really you fucking asshole? What really pissed me off with Steve is smashing Tony’s chest plate in, I have never been more pissed at my fave. And not compromising. Tony didn’t compromise, but neither did fucking Steve. And it was ridiculous and on both their heads that it got as far as it did. Steve is only seeing things in black and white, and it isn’t always like that. But neither or tony was trying to see down the middle. It was a whole fucking mess.

Also, this doesn’t change the way I feel about anti Tony’s. Y’all dumb as shit too. Like, your arguments and opinions are worse than extreme tony stans. Like, you just really want to hate on him for the dumbest things and act like he hasn’t grown or changed and I can shoot every single one of your arguments down but you’re dumb and won’t listen like, so fuck out of here. Y’all will say anything to try to prove tony is oh so bad, and yet, you don’t even acknowledge the shit that’s worn acknowledging in point out actual supported flaws, such as shit I mentioned. So stfu and sit tf down.

Anti Steve’s? Y’all can sick my dick or my clit, but your opinions are also fucking irrelevant, and I will fight you. Really tho, I would fight any mcu hero anti. Like, none of them deserve to be absolutely hated. I understand just not caring much about a character one way or another, but then y’all will hate any fucking character for the dumbest reasons and it pisses me off. I will defend every single fucking mcu hero, but I will also call them out for the shit that they did. Like. You can like a hero or anyone really, and acknowledge fault or flaws. But y’all just ain’t got common sense. So leave me alone. Like. Fuck outta here. Anyway. I’m done for real, goodnight. I would turn off comments if I knew how to, but I don’t so whatever.