#salishan language

[linguisticdiscovery]

That combining apostrophe above the letters is hell to find fonts for lemme tell ya...

[acelessthan3]

Why is it so impossible to find something as basic as what Pacific Madrones were called in any of the dozens of Salishan languages where the damn tree is indigenous.

Finally found it via the glossary section of a txʷəlšucid (twulshootseed aka Puyallup Tribal language) program website after much variations on searches and also a Lummi Language Vocabulary by a 19th century ethnobotanist: ɡʷuƛ̕əc (and the anglified version: kō-kwéltsh).

[casiavium]

Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words

Any of the words in here?

... no.

[metamatar]

something something american necropolitics the tillamook county creamery association found online on tillamook dot com that sells many dairy products in the united states under the brand name tillamook has no relationship and makes no acknowledgement of the tillamook people from whom it get its name. the name comes from the chinook translation of the people of nehalem. early contact with european sailing ships is dated to the 1770s. in 1805 lewis and clark's "discovery" expedition noted at the time that many large villages had been depopulated by pandemics and many adults had smallpox scars. this followed a period of fur trading with the involvement of hudson bay corporation. in 1850, the us govt passed the oregon donation land act, announcing over 2,500,000 acres of land as available for settlers to seize, which happened in patterns whose violence mirrors that of the continent. there was no treaty. in 1907, the tribe sued and was paid 23,500 dollars for the land the us govt has seized from them when it forced them onto the siletz reservation. the tillamook language is a salishan language that lost its last fluent speaker in 1970. many descendants are considered part of the confederated tribes of siletz. other nehalem are part of the unrecognized clatsop nehalem confederated tribes. the nehalem-tillamook were also socially and economically integrated with the clatsop peoples. today the town of tillamook has a population that is only 1.5% native american. the modern day corporation started as a settler coop created in 1909. it is the 48th largest dairy processor in north america and posted $1 billion in sales in 2021.

[ukfrislandembassy]

We all can understand that Esperanto's system of using word-final vowels to denote word classes is not especially naturalistic and frankly is pretty clunky in many regards. However, there do appear to exist languages in numerous places around the world which exhibit some segmental correlates of word-class. Here's a list of those that I'm aware of off the top of my head.

Yoruba (and I'm guessing this is true of Kwa more broadly) appears to overwhelmingly have vowel-initial nouns in native vocabulary. This seems to tie in with a trend towards deriving nouns from consonant-initial verb roots using V-prefixes, as well as perhaps being a relic of a previous noun class system (more on that below).

Salishan languages (outside of Bella Coola) generally show an s- prefix, even on seeming root nouns, in part doubtless to do with it being a nominalising prefix and thus kinda essential in an omnipredicative language.

A number of Oceanic languages, mostly in Melanesia, have either vowel-initial or n-initial nouns from univerbation of one of the Proto-Oceanic articles (*qV and *na respectively). Often the distribution seems to fall along semantic lines, with *qi for humans and proper nouns and *na everything else, though some languages divide it differently, e.g. Torres-Banks, where *na has specifically ended up as an inalienable marker, though there it is still kind of an article. Notably, even in languages where this correlation does not hold for the majority of nouns, some 'article accretion' as François terms it often still occurs

Moskona, in a curious parallel to the Oceanic system, has native alienable nouns begin with m- and inalienable ones with a vowel, or rather the root begins with vowel to which possessor prefixes are added. No clues as to the etymology.

To this we might add systems where noun class also plays a role. For instance, in Berber languages masculine nouns seem to usually begin with a vowel, with a t-...-t circumfix for feminines, e.g. Amazigh 'Berber people' → Tamazight 'Berber language' (though for non-Tuareg varieties I think vowel syncope obscures this a little?). Similarly, some Bantu noun-class systems such as those of isiZulu have a vocalic 'augment' to their noun class prefixes which is basically an echo vowel of the prefix, which I suspect is related to what's going on in Yoruba, especially if Niger-Congo is a thing.

Any other examples you're aware of feel free to add, as I'm wondering if this might be a good thing to do a paper on sometime.

[mulherergativa]

Hmm I do wonder sometimes whether the analysis of some 'Khoisan' languages like Taa being sesquisyllabic but trochaic holds up. Like, I've seen some analysis of Sliammon (Salishan) being trochaic and sesquisyllabic but I've not read much on the syllable structure of Khoe-Kwadi languages. (I feel like people are too enamored about their clicks)

[fagtendo64]

I spent a lot of my childhood growing up on the rez. And at home, we spoke some Salish in our day-to-day dealings. Not much, just a word or phrase here and there (that I've mostly forgotten).

One of those phrases was "Q'lal'ŝ", which just means "suppertime", or something similar. And it was how my family would call everybody to the table for a meal. Mom would say "go get your siblings for supper" and so we would just holler "q'lal'ŝ!!" down the hallway.

But as a kid, I didn't know that we were speaking Salish, a dead language that nobody really speaks anymore. I just thought that was a normal regular American thing to do. And so like, even when staying at a friend's house, that's how I would call them to supper.

Nobody pointed it out to me until middle school, when my friend Tyler's mom very politely asked me "what the HELL did you just say?", and I found out that, no, in fact. The average American does not sprinkle phrases in upper Salishan dialects into their day-to-day vernacular.

[charring58]

The #Salishpeoples are indigenous peoples of the American and Canadian Pacific Northwest, identified by their use of the Salishan languages which diversified out of Proto-Salish between 3,000 and 6,000 years ago.[citation needed]… 

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[vampiricram1]

Thisss

Also our indigenous people around the salons sea are not Salishan that's also the language family!!!!

If your going to describe them as a whole salish is the more correct them tho don't be afraid to ask many people might be more connected to their "tribe" some do have pride in the border slash culture but their are many unique cultures ethnic groups and languages that have developed

:3

And also spreading his cause is very important :33

not to be maya on side but please do not call someone or something “mayan” when talking about our people, culture, etc. “mayan” refers to our language family (a language FAMILY, in which there are plenty of unique languages). we are the maya, not the mayans. i am maya, not mayan. it is the indigenous maya community, not the indigenous mayan community. 

[whitepolaris]

On the Trail of Bigfoot

Forgetting the tabloid newspaper stories about Bigfoot coming from outer space to make with humans, tales of Bigfoot (also known as Sasquatch) in the Pacific Northwest go back hundreds-possibly thousands-of years. Recent archaeological investigators have shown that across the world many creatures thought to have been extinct survived into our modern age. Some believe that Bigfoot was the first great ape to inhabit the Pacific Northwest, with man followign second.

The native people have many stories about the Sasquatch. They said it resembled human beings, but did not speak human languages. Almost all legends also say it was gigantic and smelled bad. The feet of eighteen inches long. They lived in holes in the ground in the mountains or deep in the woods, and emerged in the spring and fall to fish by the river, mostly avoiding people. Some were friendly, while others were thieves and very dangerous.

The Lummi Indians of the Puget Sound frequently saw two kinds of Sasquatch. There was a big, peaceful timber giant and a small, meaner one. The second creature carried a magic stick, with which it could hit any tree truck three times and knock the tree down. Other stories about the Sasquatch say that they chattered like animals or owls and charmed people. They entered human camps and stole things, and sometimes kidnapped or killed children.

Scientists have discovered fossils in Asia of a great ape they called Gigantopithecus. Based on fossils evidence, the Gigantopithecus was a vegetarian creature that stood over six feet high. People looking for an explanation for Bigfoot believe that the Gigantopithecus spread to North America, and while the Asian Gigantopithecus died out, its North American relatives survived.

Sasquatch in Love

Many cryptozoologists believe that as vegetarians, the Sasquatch are not normally aggressive. An exception to this is when a male detects the presence of a fertile female, whether Sasquatch or human. Their need to mate might drive them to kidnap the female, as the following stories seem to indicate.

Puget Sound

On the Fraser River, along the Canadian-Washington border, a Salishan woman was captured by a Sasquatch, who took her for a mate. She came back to her people with hair growing over her body and unable to speak her tribal language. It took several powerful shamans to return her to normal. Later she was with some hunters who saw some Sasquatch. She asked the hunters not to shoot them, because they could be members of her family.

Fort Vancouver

In the 1830s, the Indian wife of Hudon Bay Company employee was kidnapped by a Sasquatch while walking outside the Fort Vancouver stockade. It carried her into the woods, but by screaming and fighting, she escaped after a few minutes. She encountered some hunters who pursued the creature. They may have shot at it and tracked it for a while, but it escaped them.

Patrick, the Sasquatch Boy

The Colville Indians encountered several of the small, stick-wielding Sasquatch, which they called the Skanicum. In the 1980s, a group of Colville camped near Keller, along the Sanpoil River. A new bride left camp and went to the river to fetch water, where a Skanicum kidnapped her and made her his wife. The next year the Indians rescued the woman, who was pregnant. She carried the baby to term and named him Patrick.

According to Dr. Edward Fusch, in Scweneyti and the Stick Indians of the Colvilles, the Indians said Patrick was short-about five feet four inches tall-but his arms hung down to his knees. He had large and strong hands, a sloping forehead, a large lower jaw with teeth that stuck out, and pointed ears. Despite his odd appearance, he was very smart and successful. Although he died around the age of thirty, he had three daughters and two sons. All of his children had some Skanicum features.

The Burgoyne Brothers

In the mid-1800s, many men abandoned their farms in the lowlands of the Pacific Northwest to look for precious metals in the Cascade Mountains. Three brothers, the Burgoynes, lives and farmed in Kelso but had a small cabin at Grizzly Lake, near Mount Saint Helens. After harvest and before the winter snows blocked the mountain passes, the brothers mined copper there. One winter, one of the brothers decided to stay at the cabin, while the other two took their ore and returned to Kelso.

When the summer came, the two brothers returned to the mountains with fresh supplies. The cabin was in shambles, with signs of a struggle everywhere, and their brother had disappeared. His diary was still there, however, and in it the surviving brothers found descriptions of strange, hairy men hanging around the cabin. One of the remaining brothers, seemingly not disturbed by the tales told by his mysteriously missing kin, decided to stay over the next winter. When the third brother returned the following summer, the second brother was missing as well. Taking the hunt, the last Burgoyne brother never turned to the cabin.

Attack at Ape Canyon

In the early twentieth century, Fred Beck and four other men operated a mining claim, called the Vander White, in a narrow valley east of Mountain Saint Helens. Today, the area is known as Ape Canyon, named after their experiences there.

The men had built a sturdy log cabin at the bottom of the valley, near their claim, which they had worked at for six years. In the last year, 1924, they noticed several large footprints near their workings. They also heard a weird whistling noise every night around their cabin. One day they saw a large hairy creature watching them from behind a tree. Beck and one of the miners shot at it. They may have hit the beast, but it still ran away.

That night the apes struck back. From the top of the canyon, they stopped rocks onto the cabin. Later they surrounded it, pounding on the walls and rood and tearing off large pieces of framing as they tried to break through the door. At one point, a hairy arm reached through a gap in the log walls and attempted to take an axe leaning against the wall. Back managed to turn the axe head sideways, blocking its removal, as another man shot at the creature. This did not drive off the attackers, who stayed until dawn.

The next day the miners abandoned their claim. Before they left, Beck saw one of the strange beasts standing at the rim of the canyon. He shot at it, and watched it fall to the canyon floor. The miners came back later with curious friends and saw several sets of large footprints, but no trace of living creatures.

Bigfoot Sightings, Real or Not?

Most Bigfoot sightings last only a few seconds. A confused mind could easily interpret the rush of a large bear, an elk, or a horse running in front of a car's headlights as a Sasquatch. There are also cases where the Bigfoot legend has been promoted by people deliberately faking footprints and sightings. But not all the sightings can be explained away as fakes or the results of confused witnesses. Can there have been thousands of stories about the Sasquatch for hundreds of years without there being some truth to the matter? The real question is, How much truth?

Bigfoot at Camp Bonneville

I remember my father telling a story about something that happened to a friend of his. In the 1960s he was in the National Guard. On one of his drill weekends, he and his unit were at Camp Bonneville, in southwest Washington. One of the soldiers left in search of a "green latrine" in the woods. The isolated spot he chose was near one of the camp garbage damps. Shortly after he got there, he heard heavy bodies moving through the garbage. He turned around and saw four or five tall, furry creatures rooting through the piles of garbage. They turned and looked at him. There was a stand-off for several seconds until he remembered to run away. The creatures headed in the opposite direction. By the time the soldier gathered some friends to investigate, there was no trace of a Bigfoot or any other creatures near the dump. Everyone was convinced it was a family of bears, but he denied that theory. -JD

Sasquatch on the Rocks

There were three Bigfoot sightings near Orting, in the vicinity of Mount Rainier, in one year. In one case, on September 26, two bow hunters confronted a Bigfoot from a distance of about three hundred yards. They had no desire to get any closer to the beast and watched it through binoculars for several minutes. The critter stood facing them, standing upright on the edge of a rock outcrop on a cliff face. It was covered with shiny black fur and had a simianlike body, wide shoulders, and a broad chest. They described its face as being apelike. When it left, they investigated the place where it had been standing bit did not find any footprints or other signs. If they had been watching this creature with only their naked eyes, we might think it was just a bear, but since they used binoculars, that explanation is unlikely.

Bigfoot on Film

One of the most recognizable pieces of motion picture films in the world is a 1967 movie taken by Roger Paterson and Bob Grimlin that shows what seems to be a Sasquatch that shows to be a Sasquatch walking through a logging clear-cut and gradually fading into the woods. Almost from the moment that Patterson and Grimlin showed their film, supporters and critics surrounded them.

In December 1998, the Fox network aired World's Greatest Hoaxes: Secrets Finally Revealed, which claimed that the 1967 film was a fake. And in fact, the next few years two men came forward claiming they were parties to the hoax. One, named Philip Morris, made gorilla suits for show business. He claimed he sold Roger Patterson a gorilla suit, which Patterson modified for the film. The second man, a retired Pepsi company worker from Yakima named Bob Heironimus, said that he wore the suit for Patterson and Grimlin's film.

Eventually, Seattle author Greg Long took up the story. Long spent several years interviewing witnesses and finally wrote a book entitled The Making of Bigfoot: The Inside Story, debunking the whole affair. Strangely enough, the book, which was released in 2004, did not change anyone's mind. To those who thought the film was fake, the witnesses' statements of how it was done reaffirmed their belief. To those who believed the film was real, many of those statements were inconsistent, or had holes, which proved the book was wrong and reinforced their belief that the Patterson film was real. Debate still rages today.

Bigfoot Saved My life

Back in the '80s I would go into town every so often and check my post office box. Sometimes when I walked by Main Street, a voice shout out "Bigfoot saved my life." I would turn around and see no one there. This went on for a couple of years, around once every two weeks or so.

Then, I finally saw the man who yelled it. I went over and talked to him. He told me that someday when he got up enough courage he would tell me the story of how Bigfoot saved his life.

A full year passed, then I heard it again. "Bigfoot saved my life." The man motioned for me to come over, told me his name was Mike, then shared the following story:

"It took me a long time to decide I'd tell this story because I don't know how would to believe. It is a short story and a true story about how Bigfoot saved my life. It happened four years ago, I was hunting deer with tree friends back in some log hills above the town of Duvall. I turned around in a partially logged area and saw my three friends lagging way behind. So I kept on going and was way ahead of them. I pulled out some candy and started chewing on it. Well, I tripped on a root and fell and the candy caught. I was choking. I couldn't breathe and it seemed like the end for me. Just as I was breathing my last, I looked up and saw Bigfoot. The check of it forced the candy dislodge. It was good knowing I was going to live. I looked up again and Bigfoot was gone. Bigfoot saved my life. -Cliff Crook

[yerpenachams]

countries most closely correlated with a single language family (roughly ranked)

Japan, Japonic

Georgia, Kartvelian

Central African Republic, Ubangian (controversial classification as Niger-Congo)

Mongolian, Mongolic (point of diversity is in Mongolia, but most of the branches/subbranches are centered in Russia or China)

Australia, Pama-Nyungan (pre-contact; non-Pama-Nyungan was historically only spoken in a small part of the country)

Indonesia, Austronesian (while Taiwan is clearly the point of diversity for Austronesian, and there are several branches not spoken in Indonesia, i.e., Palauan, Chamorro, Polynesian, various Philippine branches... and there are Papuan languages spoken in Indonesia, Indonesia contains most Austronesian speakers and contains many Malayo-Polynesian branches)

India, Dravidian (~20% of the country speaks a Dravidian language, and the only language centered outside India is Brahui)

Thailand, Kra-Dai (~60% of speakers of languages in this family are Thai speakers, and 96% of Thailand speaks it as L1 or L2)

Sudan, Nilo-Saharan (This may be one of the most arbitrary. Assuming settlement of native ethnic groups was similar before Arab settlement, almost everyone in what is now Sudan spoke a language classified as Nilo-Saharan. Of course, Nilo-Saharan is a very controversial language family. Also, there were [controversial?] Niger-Congo speakers in the Kordofan/Nuba Mountains, and Beja on the Red Sea. Several few Nilo-Saharan branches aren't spoken in Sudan at all; Kunama, Nara, Surmic, Songhay and Kuliak. A few are barely spoken in the country, like Nilotic or Maban. There are so many holes to poke in this, but if you assumed the demographics of non-Arabs in the country would be directly extrapolated to 100% pre-contact, I think it would make the top 15 in the world in correlation between language family and political borders)

Korea, Koreanic (if it was a unified country)

Bougainville, Northern Bougainville & Southern Bougainville (It's hard to determine speaker counts for these languages; while the largest language in the hypothetical future country is Austronesian, these two Papuan [non-Austronesian] language families dominate the main island)

Guatemala, Mayan (Mamean, K'iche'an and Q'anjob'alan are centered in the country. Yucatecan, Huastecan and Ch'olan-Tzeltalan are not.)

Nicaragua, Misumalpan

Bolivia, Aymara (there are many language families with members in Bolivia, and isolates in Bolivia, but... about 80% of speakers are in Bolivia, and about 40% of indigenous language speakers in Bolivia speak Aymara)

Paraguay, Tupi-Guarani (While there are many minor Tupi-Guarani languages spoken outside of Paraguay, and several other language families and isolates spoken in Paraguay, the majority of people in Paraguay speak Guarani, there are still monolingual speakers, etc.)

Panama, Chibchan (pre-contact)

Uruguay, Charruan (pre-contact)

Namibia, Khoe-Kwadi (Kwadi was centered in Angola and Kalahari Khoe is centered in Botswana, but the majority of speakers of a Khoe language are Khoekhoe speakers, and 11% of people in Namibia speak Khoekhoe. Certainly not as close a correlation as in many of these countries)

East Timor, Timor-Alor-Pantar

In terms of US states, the following stick out:

Oklahoma, Caddoan (pre-contact; I know nomadic groups can be hard to pin down, apply that disclaimer to some of the items above, too)

New York, Iroquoian (there were also Algonquian languages spoken in New York, and Tuscarora, Nottoway and Cherokee were spoken further south, while Huron-Wyandot was spoken in Canada... please note that Lake Iroquoian was not the point of diversity for the family. This situation is a lot like Mongolia, with other branches being spoken outside of the state, and the sister branch, Huron-Wyandot, being spoken elsewhere, too)

Washington, Salishan (it's bizarre that anywhere on the west coast could be very closely correlated to a single language family, given the west coast is overall the most diverse area in North America, linguistically, by far. There are Chimakuan languages and a Wakashan language, Makah, spoken at the northern end of the Olympic peninsula. There are Chinookan and Sahaptian/Plateau Penutian languages spoken at the southern and eastern edges of the state. Kwalhoquia-Tlatskanai is a subbranch of Northern Athabaskan spoken in the state, too. And of course, Bella Coola and Tillamook are divergent branches of the family spoken outside of Washington, and there are Coast Salish languages in BC; the Interior Salish area also extends into BC, Idaho and Montana. However, probably at least 80% of land in Washington was settled by Salishan peoples at the time of contact)

Florida, Timucua

A lot of this is really hard to quantify, but it's an interesting overlap of figures to consider.

[salishdictionary]

The Salish Language Dictionary is a valuable online resource that documents and aids in the preservation of numerous endangered Salishan languages native to the Pacific Northwest region of the United States. Central Salish languages such as Lushootseed, Nisqually-Puyallup, and Southern Puget Sound Salish are included, as are Northern Coast Salish languages such as Straits Salish. It contains thousands of Salish vocabulary phrases with headwords, parts of speech, meanings, and example sentences. There are also audio recordings of native speakers reciting numerous words. The purpose of the dictionary is to help language revitalization by gathering and organizing Salish language data into one publicly accessible database. It is a great resource for linguists, anthropologists, educators, and Salish community members who want to study or teach their ancestral dialects.

[bdmemnun]

so while not the first 4th person pronoun, there is an argument that it's currently morphing into simultaneously the first dedicated English 4th prison pronoun and the first dedicated English 0th person pronoun.

In languages that have more than three grammatical persons, the general "3rd person is anyone who isn't me or you" axiom is split up by topicality (such as in Algonquian or Salishan languages), with the 3rd person being the topic of the sentence and the 4th being an otherwise unrelated party. if "chat" is being thrown around into normal sentences without a chat even being established to discuss, that definitely would fall under the category.

as for the 0th person, that typically is used for an undefined referent (such as the unspoken subject of a "don't touch" sign - it's everyone generically who should not touch). I feel the 0th person better fits in examples like "chat don't fuck this for me" than the given, but the prior usage is still there, at least among streamers, simply yet to be adopted in this way.

(granted, both interpretations could also be considered a second person with an undefined referent and number, but I'm all for chaos with this. middle school English deserves to be harder)

[twinkl22004]

Morris Swadesh, "Internal Relationships in Salish", International Journal of American Linguistics, year 1950, volume #16, pages 157-167.

    Morris Swadesh, “The Origin and Diversification of Language”, 1968, PART TWO (II) was the topic of an earlier blog post. Here I present: Morris Swadesh’, “Salish Internal Relationships”, International Journal of American Linguistics, year 1950, volume #16, pages 157-167. The map BELOW shows where the Salish  family  (or called Salishan) is located in North America.  This is a family of…

[charring58]

The #Salishpeoples are indigenous peoples of the American and Canadian Pacific Northwest, identified by their use of the Salishan languages which diversified out of Proto-Salish between 3,000 and 6,000 years ago.[citation needed]

[catsnuggler]

I feel like the cobra of a snake charmer when listening to Arabian or Arabian-themed music, what with the drums, the flutes, the stringed instruments... I just wanna like, vibe while slithering from side to side, or fall asleep in my basket, while listening to this stuff. Or maybe ride a camel in a merchant caravan. That kind of Ali Baba-type stuff, y'know?