#s7 salt

[aphverse-confessions]

to this i have no idea wtf was the point of making aphmau and garroth werewolves. like what kind of narrative purpose did that serve??? jesson explain.

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[sisterofficerlucychen]

finally having a premiere date makes me so happy because a. it's less than two months away which feels doable and b. in a very roundabout way, it reminds me of the first day of school after summer vacation when you get to see everyone again after months away because (hopefully) friends that have also gone on hiatus during the hiatus will be back on the dash/tags 🥰 and i'm so ready to lose my mind week after week with everyone ♡

[gjsxj0]

mindless rambling in tags don't mind me

[blueberrytwoberry]

In an effort to focus on something else before I break down first thing in the morning, I have decided to, instead, think about the Chris in Texas plot and how little sense it makes at this point for Chris to have run away in a fury for.... like six months now?

To that end, here is a list of Things People On 911 Have Done Resulting in Forgiveness Long Before Six Months Passed (in no particular order):

Hen cheated on her wife - forgiveness in a few months (Forgiveness by way of Karen moving back in seemed relevant)

Buck sued the department and aired all his friend's private business - forgiveness in moments

Bobby started a fire that killed over 100 people - forgiveness from a guy who lost his wife and suffered catastrophic burns in said fire in a few months

Bobby lied to his wife and snuck off to sponsor a drunk driver who killed and injured dozens, including her child and Chim's brother - forgiveness in less than a minute

Buck almost broke a friend's leg in a fit of jealousy - actually, the friend apologized to HIM, for reasons?

And it's not like this is even a complete list! And like, one of the things I enjoy about this show is that it's the Sideways Universe Things Don't Make Sense Show, but it's been largely internally consistent about how people react before (everyone, I mean eveyone, is hyper forgiving), which makes Chris's decisions about his dad having an emotional breakdown and hugging someone who looks like his dead mom just... weird.

And I get it! Actors can be hard to schedule! But shit, make up a plot about Chris getting into some good school that's in Texas or something, then, because this is just not doing.

[tenderjock]

i do think the most interesting interpretation of btvs lore is that non-vampire demons and mystical entities ALL have souls, unless they sold, destroyed or otherwise got rid of them (like the mayor)

[the-bi-space-ace]

very much hate when people decide that Echo is not a big enough part of the batch and talk about the bad batch as if they would be better off without Echo. hate it. hate it a lot.

[fishandshesmygills]

i stopped liking cas as much when he stopped being a creature (when misha collins gave up on actually acting)

[4pondsinabox]

Also! I met Arthur Darvill dressed as Ava Sharpe and got to tell him he played a major role in both of my all time favorite shows. He looked pretty chuffed about that and said it was cool to go more obscure with cosplay choices :D

[kari-izumi]

VLD's last seasons were a horror of terrible issues, and people not being happy that Shiro was LGBTA+ was such a drop in the very large downpour of reasons people ended up not being happy with things.

I legitimately have never met anyone online who is at all familiar with VLD and the fanbase who was angry on the basis that Shiro was gay in and of itself. I feel like the fandom itself (at least on Tumblr where the majority of its notorious incidents took place) gave very little space for the type of anti-SJW communities that most other franchises older than the Internet have like Star Wars. Those people for the most part had hit the bricks the day Pidge gender discourse took over.

Given *waves hand* everything, I cannot blame any outsider who assumed the review bombing was from 40 year old divorced dads who watch too much Ben Shapiro. But VLD is is absolutely a rare exception where all of this came from actual fans of the show were rightfully felt shafted.

Coming to you because I know you’ll get me. I was talking to my friend’s fiancé this weekend as we went camping for their Jack/Jill party and we somehow ended up talking about the IMDB ratings of voltron and I was laughing (crying on the inside) about how their season 8 score tanked so badly and this poor man was like “yeah isn’t it a coincidence it was the season one of the characters was revealed as gay tho”, and started directing it towards the belief it was homophobes tanking the score.

I was like ok yes sure partly that but I am so so sorry that you are not prepared for all the ways I passionately feel it was not just the homophobes but the majority queer tumblr fans who were so very and despairingly betrayed by the story, especially the way they treated that gay character (and also the only main woman of color on the team). He triggered the disappointed and mad about it voltron fan within me and neither of us were quite prepared for it.

oh I SO get you!

There was SO MUCH wrong with seasons seven and eight and blaming it all on homophobia just ignores SUCH egregious issues with all the rest of the story! It's literally reducing Shiro to 'the token (again)' and ignoring the way the writers utterly trashed his character long before that point and the way they sidelined him from his own story and ignored him as a main character or even a character at all. It completely ignores the way they kept knocking Allura further and further down, taking her from the leader to a follower to a girlfriend to sitting everything out until she needed to be sacrificed. Hell, even Lance got downgraded to 'supportive boyfriend and nothing' and they had already taken his plot beats away from him seasons before. The villains were given excuses for what they'd done expect for the one villain that had an excuse and he was written as the 'final evil' for a unnecessary 'bad guy maneuver' while his abusers were both let slid and given happy endings. And that's even before the fact that the story literally made no sense by the final season. It was pretty, it was flashy - and there was absolutely no sense in anywhere the story went. The story beats didn't connect, the characters weren't in character, the lines of the story didn't make sense. Things jumped from situation to situation without any rhyme or reason.

VLD's last seasons were a horror of terrible issues, and people not being happy that Shiro was LGBTA+ was such a drop in the very large downpour of reasons people ended up not being happy with things. I feel you SO hard! I think I'm over how frustrated that show makes me and then someone says something and it all bubbles up and I'm right back where I started. I can feel pity for your friend. He put his foot into something he couldn't have begun to realize how deep it went. People who didn't go through it with the fandom can't begin to fathom how entrenched we were and still are. It's disheartening to think that writers and the EPs of the show are getting excused for the drek they passed off as professional paid-for writing simply because people are excusing the backlash it caused as 'its because that one guy was gay'.

[stagefoureddiediaz]

Some of y’all need to learn what a misdirect is and the fact that actors and show runners will use it at every opportunity to keep you from finding out what’s gonna happen

Ryan using brother a million times in his interviews is far more telling than if he hadn’t - he is doing exactly the same thing he was doing at the end of s7 in interviews.

Tim is known for straight up lying in interviews - do you not remember him straight up saying that they wouldn’t be dealing with Eddiees trauma form his time as a soldier - at the end of season 4 - and what did we get in season 5?!!!

They are never ever going to give you any hints or anything that could give a way any aspect of Eddies arc for the season or the buddie of it all - because why would they do that - it makes no sense at all - they’re going to just misdirect and divert attention away from it all - queer Eddie and buddie canon will be the biggest thing - like they’re both hisotric and ground breaking narratives - they are not going to let a magazine have that scoop before it happens on our screens. we had zero information about bi buck before the episode but we got it and then the interviews were insane afterwards.

Just enjoy the ride and buy a massive ton bag of salt for the interviews - they’re fun to read but bear no reflection on reality of the episodes of the show

[buddiebeginz]

I get that some of you are nervous of Eddie leaving and Buddie not happening but trust me when I tell you Ryan isn’t going anywhere. There are zero signs that he wants to leave the show.

All of the main cast seem very happy and like a family and like they want to be working together for as long as possible. They’re also working in roles that you can’t do in just any other acting job, doing these crazy emergencies regularly. You don’t just leave a work environment like that for no reason. It’s also not like Ryan can’t do other projects while working on 911, he just worked on a movie not too long ago. So no he’s not leaving.

When it comes to Buddie I think some of you have gotten so used to storylines that play out instantly on streaming you’re not used to a network slow burn where you have to wait.

I get being scared of being let down by the show. I know how much we’re all hoping and waiting for Buddie to happen. But Buddie has been in the works for years. It was originally supposed to happen in s5 (Buck was supposed to come out in s4) but Fox refused to let it happen. So Tim left and then the show moved to abc and so Tim came back. When he did he started putting the wheels in motion for Buddie canon and that started with Buck coming out in s7. Buddie going canon has already started we’ve been in the storyline since last season when Buck’s coming out was heavily connected to Eddie.

If I didn’t think Buddie was going to happen or that it was a big maybe I’d say so but in all the years of watching the show I’ve never been as certain it’s happening as I am now.

The other thing is I think there would be zero doubt right now if Buddie was a straight ship. But because they’re two guys and they’re breaking new ground with being the first real slow burn queer ship on a primetime network show people will question if it’s happening the whole way.

Tim knows how a significant portion of the audience for the show loves Buddie. Tim, Oliver, and Ryan have all shown support for Buddie over the years which btw isn’t common for non canon queer ships. A lot of things are in our favor. If Tim didn’t want to make Buddie happen he would have made that clear when he came back and it’s been the total opposite. In s7 they were together more than ever and they’ve still been joined at the hip in s8 even if hey haven’t had a ton of scenes while Tim was closing up other storylines. We can see with 808 and recent interviews that the bulk of Eddie and Buddie’s s8 storylines are going to be in 8b.

I’ve seen people say why doesn’t Eddie just go get Chris and bring him home. I believe he will eventually but this storyline with Eddie contemplating moving to Texas isn’t as much about the Chris storyline as it is about the Buddie storyline. You have to have obstacles in a will they/won’t they that makes the audience think they aren’t going to end up together. There is always lots of angst leading up to the moment when they finally get together or get back together. This makes for a more emotional dramatic moment and some of the best tv.

We’re meant to think Eddie is leaving but even if he goes to Texas for a minute it won’t be permanent. I’m confident in saying we’ll have Buddie canon by the end of the season and Chris back too.

Please don’t let fandom’s tendency to catastrophize make you worry about where the story is going. Also take all the interviews with a grain of salt because they can’t and won’t tell us exactly where things are going. Like with the most recent Tim interviews and him making it sound like Eddie is moving. That makes sense because we’re right at the beginning of that storyline he can’t say what will happen.

Things with Buddie will take a little time to play out but we’ll get there. We are going into this hiatus in the best possible place we can be in right now and we should all be incredibly excited for what’s to come for Buddie in 8b.

[azaharinflames]

I’m loving your theories on the whole BuckTommy (sorry Lou ilu but the name BuckTommy has stuck with me) arc. So I have to ask… why do you think people (read: fandom people) are convinced this is the last season? I really don’t see ABC/Disney undertaking this big of a show (money and following wise) and being like “yeah we’ll put time and effort into this production, but only for one season”

Thank you! Glad you love them, I feel slightly less of a clown when people understand how I think lol. Also - I was rooting for Tevan hard, and even Firefly, but I've accepted Bucktommy and now it has a special place in my heart.

As for your question... I think it all comes to change.

Let me explain. For shows to have a long life, they have to change. They have to evolve. We cannot feel as if we are tuning in to the same thing every week, especially when the same thing has long become boring. I will put Modern Family (my ultimate comfort show) as an example: the whole eleven seasons are of constant change. We are growing with the characters, we are happy, frustrated, sad, whatever, with their actions and choices. And because they are changing, we want to tune in next week to see what will be next.

911 has a severe issue of lack of change. The characters go through these cycles constantly; we said Buck was in a hamster wheel, but the truth is that every single character is in there, too. The writers are somehow unable to find new storylines or conflicts, that aren't what we have seen already, only this time with a new context.

This is partly the reason why so many people, and why a big part of the GA, latched onto Tommy and BuckTommy so quickly - because they were a breath of fresh air, and they felt like the much-needed novelty we were all expecting. If we don't have them, we go to the same repetitive stories - with Buck, but with everyone else, too, to be honest.

And if there is no change... people get bored. There are just so many times you can see Henren on the brink of losing their kids, or Buck trying to find the one (it's stopped being cute, especially when he just had the perfect partner for him walk away), Eddie being unable to move on or forget Shannon (because as much as he's 'better' - has he actually dealt with it?), Madney having either a kid storyline or a Dough-influenced storyline, Bathena having issues with communicating... eight seasons is a long time of this. And unless they change it up, just how much longer can they go? We joke about Grey's sometimes, but the fact is that they are constantly changing.

So. That's partly it.

But (without wanting to make this a whole novel), there were also rumors that some cast was hesitant to continue. Take this with a grain of salt, please, but rumor has it that Peter was kind of ready to walk away a while ago. He even has said in interviews he cannot do this for much longer, as 911 is a very exigent show to shoot. He even wanted Bobby to be killed off at the S7 opening emergency. Angela has also expressed a desire to be on Broadway, so that could also be conflicting. Again, take it with a grain of salt.

And as for ABC - you're right, they bought 911. But with the upcoming spin-off, one can't help but wonder if it is not complimentary but, rather, a substitute. Perhaps they are planning on moving someone from the OG there, who knows. The fact is that they managed to catch the audience's attention with the OG, enough that if they lose it but immediately have a variation of it, they might tune in. And this new show would be cheaper than OG is right now because let me tell you - it ain't cheap, as far as I am aware.

If you want my personal opinion on this - I am 50-50. I think it would be a very weird final season if this was the last, but I wouldn't be that surprised if we find out it is. I can see them going for a ninth season, but I cannot see them going further than a tenth, and that is being really generous. If they prove me wrong and are willing to adapt to change, I will happily eat my words.

PS: I do think if this is the last season, or even if we have it in the next couple of years, they could bring Tommy back (if they haven't yet), as a sort of rushed HEA. Kind of playing with the whole 'right person, wrong time', just bringing it to the right time finally.

Thanks for the ask <3

[skythealmighty]

behold, i present: Inanimate Insanity Infinity! sort of! more info below the cut :)

this took like 5 days . please enjoy nobody is okay

II S1 Contestants Infinity Death Order - Infinity Timeline Alternate

Canon S1

Bow

∞ S1

Paper

Eliminated early because Salt had a massive vendetta against him and rigged it so he would lose. They also came up with the Black Hole elimination idea because of an off-hand comment he made once as a joke. Closest to canon

∞ S2

Marshmallow

Broke down from the pressure and quit. Didn't realize that would get her killed; glad to see Bow, though. More confident after years in the afterlife

∞ S3

OJ

Refused to participate in challenges after Paper was gone. Salt tried his best to keep him in, but he lost on purpose. Was depressed for a while but healed over the years

Baseball

Got unlucky a few too many times. Was nonplussed about his elimination, mostly. Second closest to canon

∞ S4

Nickel? (Quit to assist)

Made it halfway through the season before he decided he didn't want to do this anymore and needed an excuse to get away from Balloon, who of which he had used one of the newly generated contestants to get back at with immediately following Baseball's elimination. The Divas accepted his offer because Chives was a little slow, and a nickel would be hard to kill

∞ S6

Paintbrush

Tried to attack Salt and Pepper halfway through the season due to a buildup of frustration that had been brewing since ∞ S1. Was immediately disqualified, eliminated, and replaced- and made an example in front of the others during it. Extremely bitter towards them, and a bit quicker to rage, but otherwise pretty close to canon

Bomb

Started out an average player and slowly but surely became more confident in the game before pushing himself too far one too many times and getting himself injured. After a season of less and less good performances due to his injury, he finally got eliminated, but was still considered an 'all-star' to many. Easy-going and friendly, but still a bit nervous

∞ S7

Pickle

Him lasting this long surprised pretty much everyone, so his elimination was more or less a "finally" moment. He stayed with his gimmick of being the gamer and ended up falling into his sterotype pretty comfortably, but he rounded out as a person over the years and has a lot of random hobbies. Hasn't entirely forgiven Taco, but he gets along with her. Pretty relaxed

∞ S8

Knife

Mellowed out to adapt to how the game went- would have attacked S&P too, but learned from Paintbrush's mistakes. Played a good solo game, trying to not form any teams or alliances, and just ended up getting unlucky and eliminated. Never got taught sarcasm by Nickel, so even though he's mellowed out, he's extremely blunt

Balloon

Wanted to lay off on the intensity and be nicer, but due to fear of losing he was forced to find his footing, ending up being surprisingly good at it. Fan-favorite until the end because he competed in the name of his friends, and much more confident and snarky than in canon. Has forgiven Nickel

∞ S9

Taco

Hid in the forest until being forced to compete in ∞ S8, her act long since revealed. Barely scraped by last season and was an early elimination this season. Similar to canon but has had time to grow and mellow out. Regrets her actions in Season 1

∞ S10

Apple

Mostly clueless about whatever darkness lay beyond the show, she was mostly a fan favorite for being extremely cheerful and supportive. Still is, even after death

Fan

Lightbulb's left hand man and an observer with a quick wit, he molded himself to be the type of contestant Salt and Pepper wanted and survived due to that, leaving hidden messages for fans to find to try and expose them for what they'd done and signal for help and for people to find out the truth. He sadly never got to see the result of him trying, but now that it's over for him, he's back to his old self, or at least as close as he can be

∞ S11

Lightbulb

The last survivor, and a beacon of hope until she ran out of time. Cheerful and friendly and a major role model. The world and Nickel weeped when she was lost, and it marked the end of an era. Despite her reputation, she's still close to her canon self, just with a surprising capacity for seriousness and used to carrying responsibility on her shoulders

[dipperscavern]

as much as i love daenerys (a fuck ton) so many people that like her are so obsessed with hating on jon and his fans. we all knew she was the ptwp and that she had a great journey.

idk it might just be me. i’m just sick of people acting like jon snow stans hate daenerys or that we brush her aside because we do NOT! or at least i don’t. that’s queen daenerys of house targaryen and the ruler of the six kingdoms (the north answers to no one) right there.

everyone is mad about daenerys’ characterization in s7-8 but don’t extend that excuse to jon snow and for what! he was done just as dirty because bro only had like 1 one line: u r mah kween.

i love you jon snow. they could never make me hate you.

no you are SO REAL FOR THIS. SO REAL IM GOING TO SCREAM

everyone has always (realistically) known dany is azor ahai. born amidst salt and smoke, waking dragons from stone etc etc. yes there were some jon fans arguing it was jon instead of dany, but the books are very confusing in that sense so i don’t blame them. dany fills the azor ahai prophecy, but we also get “I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai but all He shows me is Snow.” like?????? what the fart

& fans acting like his character wasn’t ruined in season eight too 😭😭 “why don’t u like jon snow” “he killed-“ please don’t tell me u took anything from season eight as canon. i may laugh in your face

“he’s boring!!” 1. he’s not 2. is that illegal

AND LIKING BOTH IS TOP TIER. THEYRE BOTH GOING TO BRING THE DAWN. THEY CANT DEFEAT THE DARK WITHOUT EACH ORHER wait who said that

ok i have to stop talking or else i’m going to say some very naughty words and make people mad. and i am but a lowly house elf

[theborgqueen2]

anyway s7 epsiode idea where it starts with janeway in her cabin slowly getting dressed. we see her pull on her dress uniform, adding her pips one by one, her badge. then one long assessing look into the mirror and a deep sigh. she puts on a smile and then leaves her cabin. cut to the mess hall where people are already waiting. they turn as she arrives and they give her encouraging smiles but somehow janeway cant meet anyones eyes, her smile strained, as she positions herself behind a beautifully decorated table and waits anxiously. then the doors woosh open, harry starts a rendition of the wedding march on his flute and chakotay and seven enter. they stop before janeway who now looks like she's either going to puke or going to scream.

"We are gathered here today to join this man and this woman in holy matrimony", she starts and the camera pans around the room showing everyone smiling. then back on janeways tortured face. fade to black. theme song cue and the whole audience goes "What the fuck"

the rest of the episode is the whole crew slowly realising that no one knows how they ended up like this - it starts at the reception, them trying to retell the epic of chakotay and seven and everyone notices that they didn't even know they're a couple before this. seven and chakotay remember stuff like their first date or who proposed but seven is quick to point out the dates overlapp with several other incidents on board and therefore couldn't have happened. so they start to investigate but every time someone gets too far or says something along the lines of "Hey isnt it weird that chakotay would marry-" they get reset and we're back with janeway getting dressed.

needless to say that chakotay and seven dont share scenes after the wedding and chakotay follows janeway around clearly trying to figure out if he's going to sleep on the couch for the next weeks.

it ends with some weird alien species who were watching them for weeks and were intriguied by the concept of relationships and wanted to simulate some scenarios on them - getting revealed and after janeway decks them, reset the timeline, their memories and all.

last scene its chakotay and janeway in her cabin and there is a distinct "i know im technically not allowed to feel angry about something you were forced to do but that won't stop me from putting too much salt into your food" vibe but at least they have their dinner date like always. fade to black. end credits.

[min-kit]

https://www.tumblr.com/min-kit/747586253787217920/lol-yeah-tommy-is-absolutely-sticking-around-by

I’m not saying he’s not staying longer than planed but with Oliver you have to also take his interviews with many grains of salt. Like love him to death but he also says things like this about every possible LI he gets. Just look at the last few interviews from season 6 where he was going on about the future of Buck and Natalia and how excited he was is to see it play out in season 7 and explore their dynamic etc. and then we all saw what happened with that lol.

to be fair, when he said those things, Fox hadn't cancelled 9-1-1 yet & ABC hadn't picked it up. for all he figured, Buck & Natalia could've been something in s7 had it been on fox and things didn't play out the way they did. & I don't blame him for saying things like this about every LI cuz I'm sure he prob hopes at least 1 will stick around for some time. Buck has certainly drawn the short end of the stick as far as LI's go, but Tommy is incredibly different than any of his past LI's and, frankly, whether you like BuckTommy or not, it'd be stupid to just brush him aside when this pairing allows for a ton of new, rich storylines that they can tell.

And isn't getting Buck off that hamster wheel Kristen put him on in seasons 5 & 6 the entire point of this?