#s7 salt

[lolabearwrites]

my favorite part of s7 was how the dragaang learned of Aaravos' past, realized he's a broken father and used that to get through to him to, make him stop his plan that made 100% sense cuz they knew they couldn't stop him with force since he's an immortal being that is all powerful and couldn't possibly be stopped with silly things like fire arrows and tripwire for example hahahahaha

[stardust948]

Wow. Rayla talked down a giant rampaging monster and vengeful grieving father. Surely this skill will come in handy in the future.

[aphverse-confessions]

to this i have no idea wtf was the point of making aphmau and garroth werewolves. like what kind of narrative purpose did that serve??? jesson explain.

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[sisterofficerlucychen]

finally having a premiere date makes me so happy because a. it's less than two months away which feels doable and b. in a very roundabout way, it reminds me of the first day of school after summer vacation when you get to see everyone again after months away because (hopefully) friends that have also gone on hiatus during the hiatus will be back on the dash/tags 🥰 and i'm so ready to lose my mind week after week with everyone ♡

[gjsxj0]

mindless rambling in tags don't mind me

[blueberrytwoberry]

In an effort to focus on something else before I break down first thing in the morning, I have decided to, instead, think about the Chris in Texas plot and how little sense it makes at this point for Chris to have run away in a fury for.... like six months now?

To that end, here is a list of Things People On 911 Have Done Resulting in Forgiveness Long Before Six Months Passed (in no particular order):

Hen cheated on her wife - forgiveness in a few months (Forgiveness by way of Karen moving back in seemed relevant)

Buck sued the department and aired all his friend's private business - forgiveness in moments

Bobby started a fire that killed over 100 people - forgiveness from a guy who lost his wife and suffered catastrophic burns in said fire in a few months

Bobby lied to his wife and snuck off to sponsor a drunk driver who killed and injured dozens, including her child and Chim's brother - forgiveness in less than a minute

Buck almost broke a friend's leg in a fit of jealousy - actually, the friend apologized to HIM, for reasons?

And it's not like this is even a complete list! And like, one of the things I enjoy about this show is that it's the Sideways Universe Things Don't Make Sense Show, but it's been largely internally consistent about how people react before (everyone, I mean eveyone, is hyper forgiving), which makes Chris's decisions about his dad having an emotional breakdown and hugging someone who looks like his dead mom just... weird.

And I get it! Actors can be hard to schedule! But shit, make up a plot about Chris getting into some good school that's in Texas or something, then, because this is just not doing.

[the-bi-space-ace]

very much hate when people decide that Echo is not a big enough part of the batch and talk about the bad batch as if they would be better off without Echo. hate it. hate it a lot.

[fishandshesmygills]

i stopped liking cas as much when he stopped being a creature (when misha collins gave up on actually acting)

[4pondsinabox]

Also! I met Arthur Darvill dressed as Ava Sharpe and got to tell him he played a major role in both of my all time favorite shows. He looked pretty chuffed about that and said it was cool to go more obscure with cosplay choices :D

[lolabearwrites]

Literally set a perfect moment to talk about Leola

"then I'm sure you're well aware of my dear Leola" Ez should have done a follow up question, because no he didn't know. And I would think he would want to know.

Honestly, besides Ez, Claudia and Terry did anyone else even know she existed? (I'm hesitant to even add Ez to this small list tbh) I'm pretty sure Callum didn't? Maybe I'm not remembering correctly?

NOVA

Did a brisk scrub just so I can at least be ready for disappointment so yeah. Disappointment. Gonna be brisk

Zym has rainbow road powers I guess

Claudia's up again

oh damn Aaravos just taking it???

ARE WE NOT GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT LEOLA AT ALL WITH THE MAIN CAST?????

But. Seven year time skip?

Sparklepuff hi???

"I will not watch another daughter die"

"I'm still me" Oh Claudia...

Domina Profundus, it is a bit late to be doing big stuff

But hey. Zubeia went out. Saw that coming.

Yeah...disappointed they didn't' go the mercy route. Fucking hell.

WHYYY DIDN'T THEY TALK ABOUT LEOLA IN DEPTH WITH HIM???

SEVEN!!! YEAR!!! TIME SKIIIIIP!!!

ZYM TALKS NOW. That's...quite a voice

HE'S NOT TRULY GONNNNE

Aw the bridge is all green now

Seven years to make a world Aaravos is gonna be more hesitant destroy

Hello Zuko Terry here

BUT WHAT HAS THE COSMIC ORDER BEEN DOING. WHAT ARE THOSE FLOATING HEADS DOING.

WHERE ARE THOSE FUCKERS

Dang they build FAST

Aww black and white flowers

SSSSSSSSEVEN YEARSSSSSS

Runaan really opening up to the things he's caused

"I AM NOT DEAD."

BIRD THEORY REAL!!?!?!?!!?!?!?

BOAT TIME WITH SINGIN CRITTERS

Had a feeling Leola's Last Wish would be something to that degree, but I wish she had more of a center in the story...

[lolabearwrites]

Thoughts on TDP S7

so badly. I so badly wanted Aaravos to use primal magic. I wanted to see the master of all the primal sources actually use it. DID YOU SEE WHAT HE DID WHEN TERRY SENT THE VINES AFTER HIM??? A flick of his hand was all it took to turn it to ash. Like, that was it?? He used a little of dark magic but that was it!

When he get up against w/ the Arch dragons in the 2nd to last ep, I was like "OH, OH HERE IT COMES WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHY AARAVOS IS THE BADDEST BITCH, WHY THE ARCH DRAGONS FEARED HIM" and no, he just got shoved around a bunch, Claudia kept saving him, and he talked a big game. He honestly did not seem that much more powerful than the arch dragons and that was....a really big bummer.

I wanted a battle between Aaravos and at least someone (preferably callum w/ magic or maybe a physical duel w/ an arcdragon etc), but we didn't rlly get that. At all. Wasn't this supposed to be an epic showdown??? Series final??

[stagefoureddiediaz]

Some of y’all need to learn what a misdirect is and the fact that actors and show runners will use it at every opportunity to keep you from finding out what’s gonna happen

Ryan using brother a million times in his interviews is far more telling than if he hadn’t - he is doing exactly the same thing he was doing at the end of s7 in interviews.

Tim is known for straight up lying in interviews - do you not remember him straight up saying that they wouldn’t be dealing with Eddiees trauma form his time as a soldier - at the end of season 4 - and what did we get in season 5?!!!

They are never ever going to give you any hints or anything that could give a way any aspect of Eddies arc for the season or the buddie of it all - because why would they do that - it makes no sense at all - they’re going to just misdirect and divert attention away from it all - queer Eddie and buddie canon will be the biggest thing - like they’re both hisotric and ground breaking narratives - they are not going to let a magazine have that scoop before it happens on our screens. we had zero information about bi buck before the episode but we got it and then the interviews were insane afterwards.

Just enjoy the ride and buy a massive ton bag of salt for the interviews - they’re fun to read but bear no reflection on reality of the episodes of the show

[buddiebeginz]

I get that some of you are nervous of Eddie leaving and Buddie not happening but trust me when I tell you Ryan isn’t going anywhere. There are zero signs that he wants to leave the show.

All of the main cast seem very happy and like a family and like they want to be working together for as long as possible. They’re also working in roles that you can’t do in just any other acting job, doing these crazy emergencies regularly. You don’t just leave a work environment like that for no reason. It’s also not like Ryan can’t do other projects while working on 911, he just worked on a movie not too long ago. So no he’s not leaving.

When it comes to Buddie I think some of you have gotten so used to storylines that play out instantly on streaming you’re not used to a network slow burn where you have to wait.

I get being scared of being let down by the show. I know how much we’re all hoping and waiting for Buddie to happen. But Buddie has been in the works for years. It was originally supposed to happen in s5 (Buck was supposed to come out in s4) but Fox refused to let it happen. So Tim left and then the show moved to abc and so Tim came back. When he did he started putting the wheels in motion for Buddie canon and that started with Buck coming out in s7. Buddie going canon has already started we’ve been in the storyline since last season when Buck’s coming out was heavily connected to Eddie.

If I didn’t think Buddie was going to happen or that it was a big maybe I’d say so but in all the years of watching the show I’ve never been as certain it’s happening as I am now.

The other thing is I think there would be zero doubt right now if Buddie was a straight ship. But because they’re two guys and they’re breaking new ground with being the first real slow burn queer ship on a primetime network show people will question if it’s happening the whole way.

Tim knows how a significant portion of the audience for the show loves Buddie. Tim, Oliver, and Ryan have all shown support for Buddie over the years which btw isn’t common for non canon queer ships. A lot of things are in our favor. If Tim didn’t want to make Buddie happen he would have made that clear when he came back and it’s been the total opposite. In s7 they were together more than ever and they’ve still been joined at the hip in s8 even if hey haven’t had a ton of scenes while Tim was closing up other storylines. We can see with 808 and recent interviews that the bulk of Eddie and Buddie’s s8 storylines are going to be in 8b.

I’ve seen people say why doesn’t Eddie just go get Chris and bring him home. I believe he will eventually but this storyline with Eddie contemplating moving to Texas isn’t as much about the Chris storyline as it is about the Buddie storyline. You have to have obstacles in a will they/won’t they that makes the audience think they aren’t going to end up together. There is always lots of angst leading up to the moment when they finally get together or get back together. This makes for a more emotional dramatic moment and some of the best tv.

We’re meant to think Eddie is leaving but even if he goes to Texas for a minute it won’t be permanent. I’m confident in saying we’ll have Buddie canon by the end of the season and Chris back too.

Please don’t let fandom’s tendency to catastrophize make you worry about where the story is going. Also take all the interviews with a grain of salt because they can’t and won’t tell us exactly where things are going. Like with the most recent Tim interviews and him making it sound like Eddie is moving. That makes sense because we’re right at the beginning of that storyline he can’t say what will happen.

Things with Buddie will take a little time to play out but we’ll get there. We are going into this hiatus in the best possible place we can be in right now and we should all be incredibly excited for what’s to come for Buddie in 8b.

[lolabearwrites]

How they wrote aaravos this season was certainly a choice

the fact aaravos, to sol regem, said 'choke, on your own pride', and mentioned in the series multiple times he hates arrogant people-- but died (or at least let ezran get the novablade) to his own arrogance

[skythealmighty]

behold, i present: Inanimate Insanity Infinity! sort of! more info below the cut :)

this took like 5 days . please enjoy nobody is okay

II S1 Contestants Infinity Death Order - Infinity Timeline Alternate

Canon S1

Bow

∞ S1

Paper

Eliminated early because Salt had a massive vendetta against him and rigged it so he would lose. They also came up with the Black Hole elimination idea because of an off-hand comment he made once as a joke. Closest to canon

∞ S2

Marshmallow

Broke down from the pressure and quit. Didn't realize that would get her killed; glad to see Bow, though. More confident after years in the afterlife

∞ S3

OJ

Refused to participate in challenges after Paper was gone. Salt tried his best to keep him in, but he lost on purpose. Was depressed for a while but healed over the years

Baseball

Got unlucky a few too many times. Was nonplussed about his elimination, mostly. Second closest to canon

∞ S4

Nickel? (Quit to assist)

Made it halfway through the season before he decided he didn't want to do this anymore and needed an excuse to get away from Balloon, who of which he had used one of the newly generated contestants to get back at with immediately following Baseball's elimination. The Divas accepted his offer because Chives was a little slow, and a nickel would be hard to kill

∞ S6

Paintbrush

Tried to attack Salt and Pepper halfway through the season due to a buildup of frustration that had been brewing since ∞ S1. Was immediately disqualified, eliminated, and replaced- and made an example in front of the others during it. Extremely bitter towards them, and a bit quicker to rage, but otherwise pretty close to canon

Bomb

Started out an average player and slowly but surely became more confident in the game before pushing himself too far one too many times and getting himself injured. After a season of less and less good performances due to his injury, he finally got eliminated, but was still considered an 'all-star' to many. Easy-going and friendly, but still a bit nervous

∞ S7

Pickle

Him lasting this long surprised pretty much everyone, so his elimination was more or less a "finally" moment. He stayed with his gimmick of being the gamer and ended up falling into his sterotype pretty comfortably, but he rounded out as a person over the years and has a lot of random hobbies. Hasn't entirely forgiven Taco, but he gets along with her. Pretty relaxed

∞ S8

Knife

Mellowed out to adapt to how the game went- would have attacked S&P too, but learned from Paintbrush's mistakes. Played a good solo game, trying to not form any teams or alliances, and just ended up getting unlucky and eliminated. Never got taught sarcasm by Nickel, so even though he's mellowed out, he's extremely blunt

Balloon

Wanted to lay off on the intensity and be nicer, but due to fear of losing he was forced to find his footing, ending up being surprisingly good at it. Fan-favorite until the end because he competed in the name of his friends, and much more confident and snarky than in canon. Has forgiven Nickel

∞ S9

Taco

Hid in the forest until being forced to compete in ∞ S8, her act long since revealed. Barely scraped by last season and was an early elimination this season. Similar to canon but has had time to grow and mellow out. Regrets her actions in Season 1

∞ S10

Apple

Mostly clueless about whatever darkness lay beyond the show, she was mostly a fan favorite for being extremely cheerful and supportive. Still is, even after death

Fan

Lightbulb's left hand man and an observer with a quick wit, he molded himself to be the type of contestant Salt and Pepper wanted and survived due to that, leaving hidden messages for fans to find to try and expose them for what they'd done and signal for help and for people to find out the truth. He sadly never got to see the result of him trying, but now that it's over for him, he's back to his old self, or at least as close as he can be

∞ S11

Lightbulb

The last survivor, and a beacon of hope until she ran out of time. Cheerful and friendly and a major role model. The world and Nickel weeped when she was lost, and it marked the end of an era. Despite her reputation, she's still close to her canon self, just with a surprising capacity for seriousness and used to carrying responsibility on her shoulders

[azaharinflames]

I’m loving your theories on the whole BuckTommy (sorry Lou ilu but the name BuckTommy has stuck with me) arc. So I have to ask… why do you think people (read: fandom people) are convinced this is the last season? I really don’t see ABC/Disney undertaking this big of a show (money and following wise) and being like “yeah we’ll put time and effort into this production, but only for one season”

Thank you! Glad you love them, I feel slightly less of a clown when people understand how I think lol. Also - I was rooting for Tevan hard, and even Firefly, but I've accepted Bucktommy and now it has a special place in my heart.

As for your question... I think it all comes to change.

Let me explain. For shows to have a long life, they have to change. They have to evolve. We cannot feel as if we are tuning in to the same thing every week, especially when the same thing has long become boring. I will put Modern Family (my ultimate comfort show) as an example: the whole eleven seasons are of constant change. We are growing with the characters, we are happy, frustrated, sad, whatever, with their actions and choices. And because they are changing, we want to tune in next week to see what will be next.

911 has a severe issue of lack of change. The characters go through these cycles constantly; we said Buck was in a hamster wheel, but the truth is that every single character is in there, too. The writers are somehow unable to find new storylines or conflicts, that aren't what we have seen already, only this time with a new context.

This is partly the reason why so many people, and why a big part of the GA, latched onto Tommy and BuckTommy so quickly - because they were a breath of fresh air, and they felt like the much-needed novelty we were all expecting. If we don't have them, we go to the same repetitive stories - with Buck, but with everyone else, too, to be honest.

And if there is no change... people get bored. There are just so many times you can see Henren on the brink of losing their kids, or Buck trying to find the one (it's stopped being cute, especially when he just had the perfect partner for him walk away), Eddie being unable to move on or forget Shannon (because as much as he's 'better' - has he actually dealt with it?), Madney having either a kid storyline or a Dough-influenced storyline, Bathena having issues with communicating... eight seasons is a long time of this. And unless they change it up, just how much longer can they go? We joke about Grey's sometimes, but the fact is that they are constantly changing.

So. That's partly it.

But (without wanting to make this a whole novel), there were also rumors that some cast was hesitant to continue. Take this with a grain of salt, please, but rumor has it that Peter was kind of ready to walk away a while ago. He even has said in interviews he cannot do this for much longer, as 911 is a very exigent show to shoot. He even wanted Bobby to be killed off at the S7 opening emergency. Angela has also expressed a desire to be on Broadway, so that could also be conflicting. Again, take it with a grain of salt.

And as for ABC - you're right, they bought 911. But with the upcoming spin-off, one can't help but wonder if it is not complimentary but, rather, a substitute. Perhaps they are planning on moving someone from the OG there, who knows. The fact is that they managed to catch the audience's attention with the OG, enough that if they lose it but immediately have a variation of it, they might tune in. And this new show would be cheaper than OG is right now because let me tell you - it ain't cheap, as far as I am aware.

If you want my personal opinion on this - I am 50-50. I think it would be a very weird final season if this was the last, but I wouldn't be that surprised if we find out it is. I can see them going for a ninth season, but I cannot see them going further than a tenth, and that is being really generous. If they prove me wrong and are willing to adapt to change, I will happily eat my words.

PS: I do think if this is the last season, or even if we have it in the next couple of years, they could bring Tommy back (if they haven't yet), as a sort of rushed HEA. Kind of playing with the whole 'right person, wrong time', just bringing it to the right time finally.

Thanks for the ask <3